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| 70sdude wrote: | Quite the range of names and the diversity of impact rankings. It seems fair to say there's not much agreement around LG about this roster having one team star upon whom the primary responsibility for the period's trajectory is expected to land.
Maybe that's a good thing for fans, maybe not. If no one guy is consistently named as the near-term team heavyweight, the roster is either balanced, lacking leadership - or both. |
There shouldn't be just one name. In today's NBA, you need multiple stars. Unfortunately, free agency won't be a solution for a while, which means we need at least two out of Russell, Ingram, Randle, Clarkson, Nance and Zubac to become superstar level players and at least one of the other guys to be a borderline all-star. Without that, we won't be contenders barring a huge trade or a miracle in free agency.
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There's some validity in that point, but it's not hard to view most (rebuilds of) successful teams historically as having had one player being the most key element associated with the turnaround. In posting the original topic, I was fishing for current fan opinion regarding a forecast for that legitimate perspective. We'll see down the line both whether anyone on the roster becomes that guy and which LGer saw the future the clearest.
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| Russell, Ingram and JC for playoff contention. Randle for Title contention. Randle is the x-factor for whether we can win a championship. |
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| 22 wrote: | | If everyone puts their best foot forward we should be in for a great year |
We're not talking about Javaris Crittenton's 2 career highlights (spl game winner and NBA double rap around fast break finish), or Sun Yue, or Ebanks and Caracter, Darius Morris, Jabari Brown, or some other scrub we hoped would crack the rotation.
Russell, Randle, Clarkson, Nance, Ingram, Zubac each have that something special about them. No question they'll make the team, and most, if not all, will be in the rotation, possibly making an impact while competing for starting minutes. Now if they become consistent at an aspect or 2 (or more) of their craft sooner rather than later, this team will do well, sooner rather than later. If 2 or more have a coming out party, this is going to be a fun season. I'm assuming that all 6 will show some type of sustained abilities that the team needs and this will be a very good team.
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Wilkes52
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[quote="lakersboy"] | 22 wrote: | | PICKnPOP wrote: | | If everyone puts their best foot forward we should be in for a great year |
We're not talking about Javaris Crittenton's 2 career highlights (spl game winner and NBA double rap around fast break finish), or Sun Yue, or Ebanks and Caracter, Darius Morris, Jabari Brown, or some other scrub we hoped would crack the rotation.
Russell, Randle, Clarkson, Nance, Ingram, Zubac each have that something special about them. No question they'll make the team, and most, if not all, will be in the rotation, possibly making an impact while competing for starting minutes. Now if they become consistent at an aspect or 2 (or more) of their craft sooner rather than later, this team will do well, sooner rather than later. If 2 or more have a coming out party, this is going to be a fun season. I'm assuming that all 6 will show some type of sustained abilities that the team needs and this will be a very good team. |
To be fair, I'd challenge the description of the amount of "special something" seen in the games of Clarkson, Nance and Zubac, cetainly in terms of their standing out in the NBA to date.
They haven't done anything like that in this level at all. They have made into the NBA, and for sure that is special about anyone who accomplishes that in one way or another. But they have not yet distinguished themselves in the NBA qualitatively from, well, basically most other NBA players. They may do so eventually, but in that same sense, they're running about the same odds to success as most first, second and third year players.
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Ingram needs to be a beast.
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[quote="Wilkes52"] | lakersboy wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | PICKnPOP wrote: | | If everyone puts their best foot forward we should be in for a great year |
We're not talking about Javaris Crittenton's 2 career highlights (spl game winner and NBA double rap around fast break finish), or Sun Yue, or Ebanks and Caracter, Darius Morris, Jabari Brown, or some other scrub we hoped would crack the rotation.
Russell, Randle, Clarkson, Nance, Ingram, Zubac each have that something special about them. No question they'll make the team, and most, if not all, will be in the rotation, possibly making an impact while competing for starting minutes. Now if they become consistent at an aspect or 2 (or more) of their craft sooner rather than later, this team will do well, sooner rather than later. If 2 or more have a coming out party, this is going to be a fun season. I'm assuming that all 6 will show some type of sustained abilities that the team needs and this will be a very good team. |
To be fair, I'd challenge the description of the amount of "special something" seen in the games of Clarkson, Nance and Zubac, cetainly in terms of their standing out in the NBA to date.
They haven't done anything like that in this level at all. They have made into the NBA, and for sure that is special about anyone who accomplishes that in one way or another. But they have not yet distinguished themselves in the NBA qualitatively from, well, basically most other NBA players. They may do so eventually, but in that same sense, they're running about the same odds to success as most first, second and third year players. |
THere a huge difference. The recent young core were all part of sucky Laker teams, not the playoff ones, like Javaris, Ebanks, or Darius. Getting playing time for a young kid on those vet playoff teams would of been very difficult.... Even Brown, who played the end of his rookie season on a crappy laker team was putting up high point total every game... |
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| Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 12:40 am Post subject: Re: Who's the key player for the team's improvement |
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| Wilkes52 wrote: | Which current Laker will have the greatest positive impact on his team's W-L record over the next three seasons ? I think that's a nuts-n-bolts way of asking which player is the biggest key to Laker improvement over the same period.
I predict that time will show a tightly bunched ranking, highest first:
Ingram
Randle
Russell
... with no one other current player having even marginally close impact in terms of importance. |
Ingram has the highest upside and long term impacts W/L, but short term (3 years) you'd have to think DLO based off of usage and minutes that Ingram won't have. Clarkson is pretty consistent, Randle is a wildcard, but DLO is a safe bet for the most positive impact on the W/L. |
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| NYCLaker wrote: | | Wilkes52 wrote: | | lakersboy wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | If everyone puts their best foot forward we should be in for a great year |
We're not talking about Javaris Crittenton's 2 career highlights (spl game winner and NBA double rap around fast break finish), or Sun Yue, or Ebanks and Caracter, Darius Morris, Jabari Brown, or some other scrub we hoped would crack the rotation.
Russell, Randle, Clarkson, Nance, Ingram, Zubac each have that something special about them. No question they'll make the team, and most, if not all, will be in the rotation, possibly making an impact while competing for starting minutes. Now if they become consistent at an aspect or 2 (or more) of their craft sooner rather than later, this team will do well, sooner rather than later. If 2 or more have a coming out party, this is going to be a fun season. I'm assuming that all 6 will show some type of sustained abilities that the team needs and this will be a very good team. |
To be fair, I'd challenge the description of the amount of "special something" seen in the games of Clarkson, Nance and Zubac, cetainly in terms of their standing out in the NBA to date.
They haven't done anything like that in this level at all. They have made into the NBA, and for sure that is special about anyone who accomplishes that in one way or another. But they have not yet distinguished themselves in the NBA qualitatively from, well, basically most other NBA players. They may do so eventually, but in that same sense, they're running about the same odds to success as most first, second and third year players. |
THere a huge difference. The recent young core were all part of sucky Laker teams, not the playoff ones, like Javaris, Ebanks, or Darius. Getting playing time for a young kid on those vet playoff teams would of been very difficult.... Even Brown, who played the end of his rookie season on a crappy laker team was putting up high point total every game... |
Lakers' playoff teams throughout the years didn't have deep benches with quality players.
After backing up Fisher, Crittenton was traded to a bad team that he never performed well for and was soon out of the league when other issues proved greater than his game.
Caracter got a few early minutes in the rotation before Phil lost trust in him and Caracter was bounced from the NBA.
Ebanks was hoped to be the capable backup after Artest came and Ariza left. Ebanks couldn't shoot, couldn't dribble, and when that became apparent he no longer had a job in L.A.
Darius Morris was Steve Blakes backup at a time when Blake was earning the nickname "bagel" which meant he wasn't putting up any stats. Morris was worse.
Goudelock got minutes under Mike Brown when there was no capable backup for Kobe. Not long afterward, the Lakers and the NBA said goodbye to him too.
Meanwhile, Sacre and Kelly have played on bad teams and are no longer around because they clearly lacked talent on the same teams where their young teammates Randle, Nance, Clarkson, and Russell showed otherwise.
Jabari Brown was jerked around by Scott his first year because he made shots in (televised) practices but Scott cut him because he wasn't "agressive" enough. When he was brought back, Brown got the message, became agressive and shot everything he got, so if he scored a lot, it was because he wasn't afraid to shoot. He's a good shooter but he hasn't showed anything else yet to prove he belongs. |
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| LakerSanity wrote: | | 70sdude wrote: | Quite the range of names and the diversity of impact rankings. It seems fair to say there's not much agreement around LG about this roster having one team star upon whom the primary responsibility for the period's trajectory is expected to land.
Maybe that's a good thing for fans, maybe not. If no one guy is consistently named as the near-term team heavyweight, the roster is either balanced, lacking leadership - or both. |
There shouldn't be just one name. In today's NBA, you need multiple stars. Unfortunately, free agency won't be a solution for a while, which means we need at least two out of Russell, Ingram, Randle, Clarkson, Nance and Zubac to become superstar level players and at least one of the other guys to be a borderline all-star. Without that, we won't be contenders barring a huge trade or a miracle in free agency. |
I think growing 2 bottom tier allstars, and 2 more top 15 starters at their position - would be enough to attract all of our dream free agents. If our guys can show this sure fire potential in the next two years, id bet we have amazing 2018+19 free agency classes.
Not sure how much benefit of the doubt Russell and Ingram will get from players around the league, they're really going to have to show they're knocking on the door of all-stardom. -- we got haters.. |
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | 70sdude wrote: | Quite the range of names and the diversity of impact rankings. It seems fair to say there's not much agreement around LG about this roster having one team star upon whom the primary responsibility for the period's trajectory is expected to land.
Maybe that's a good thing for fans, maybe not. If no one guy is consistently named as the near-term team heavyweight, the roster is either balanced, lacking leadership - or both. |
There shouldn't be just one name. In today's NBA, you need multiple stars. Unfortunately, free agency won't be a solution for a while, which means we need at least two out of Russell, Ingram, Randle, Clarkson, Nance and Zubac to become superstar level players and at least one of the other guys to be a borderline all-star. Without that, we won't be contenders barring a huge trade or a miracle in free agency. |
I think growing 2 bottom tier allstars, and 2 more top 15 starters at their position - would be enough to attract all of our dream free agents. If our guys can show this sure fire potential in the next two years, id bet we have amazing 2018+19 free agency classes.
Not sure how much benefit of the doubt Russell and Ingram will get from players around the league, they're really going to have to show they're knocking on the door of all-stardom. -- we got haters.. |
What appears clear from Westbrook's re-signing with OKC, is that we don't have enough proven talent to attract a dream free agent today, even when beckoning a guy back to his own home town. One step at a time I say. |
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Russell. With modern NBA rules, a lot of team success is predicated on PG play.
Randle, with a jumpshot and improved defense, can help stabilize a higher level of play.
Ingram, would be the X factor to get them over a hump.
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ingram is a rookie... he just needs to keep developing behind everyone else. Deng/randle/nance. If he leaves us fans wanting more minutes for him ALL season then its a successful year for him.
Russell is most important. If he doesn't live up to the hype somewhat then we're stuck.
If he does, then everyone outside of russell/ingram become trade bait soon for the first wave of Mitch's wand.
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