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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 9:43 am    Post subject:

Who had more skills? Hakeem
Who was more dominant? Shaq

Who would bring you more rings with less talent around him? Shaq

Who would be better in todays game? Hakeem
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 10:47 am    Post subject:

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Hakeem is the 2nd best Center of all time, after Kareem. But, if I were starting a team I'd take prime Shaq over Hakeem.
Wilt is rolling.


I'm too young to have seen Wilt play, but from what I've seen I cant' say he had more skill than Hakeem. Plus, for how dominant Wilt was statistically, it sure didn't result in many championships.

So its just rings for you? then yes, hakeem is better than wilt.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 11:13 am    Post subject:

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vanexelent wrote:
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Hakeem is the 2nd best Center of all time, after Kareem. But, if I were starting a team I'd take prime Shaq over Hakeem.
Wilt is rolling.


I'm too young to have seen Wilt play, but from what I've seen I cant' say he had more skill than Hakeem. Plus, for how dominant Wilt was statistically, it sure didn't result in many championships.

So its just rings for you? then yes, hakeem is better than wilt.



Hakeem and Wilt won the same number of rings - 2.

If it's all about rings, the best centers (among Hall of Famers) are Russell, Kareem, George Mikan, Shaq and Robert Parish.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 11:54 am    Post subject:

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SuperboyReformed wrote:
vanexelent wrote:
SuperboyReformed wrote:
vanexelent wrote:
Hakeem is the 2nd best Center of all time, after Kareem. But, if I were starting a team I'd take prime Shaq over Hakeem.
Wilt is rolling.


I'm too young to have seen Wilt play, but from what I've seen I cant' say he had more skill than Hakeem. Plus, for how dominant Wilt was statistically, it sure didn't result in many championships.

So its just rings for you? then yes, hakeem is better than wilt.



Hakeem and Wilt won the same number of rings - 2.

If it's all about rings, the best centers (among Hall of Famers) are Russell, Kareem, George Mikan, Shaq and Robert Parish.


And John Salley.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:10 pm    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
activeverb wrote:
SuperboyReformed wrote:
vanexelent wrote:
SuperboyReformed wrote:
vanexelent wrote:
Hakeem is the 2nd best Center of all time, after Kareem. But, if I were starting a team I'd take prime Shaq over Hakeem.
Wilt is rolling.


I'm too young to have seen Wilt play, but from what I've seen I cant' say he had more skill than Hakeem. Plus, for how dominant Wilt was statistically, it sure didn't result in many championships.

So its just rings for you? then yes, hakeem is better than wilt.



Hakeem and Wilt won the same number of rings - 2.

If it's all about rings, the best centers (among Hall of Famers) are Russell, Kareem, George Mikan, Shaq and Robert Parish.


And John Salley.


Don't leave out Will 'member of three headed monster' Perdue
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:11 pm    Post subject:

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SuperboyReformed wrote:
vanexelent wrote:
SuperboyReformed wrote:
vanexelent wrote:
Hakeem is the 2nd best Center of all time, after Kareem. But, if I were starting a team I'd take prime Shaq over Hakeem.
Wilt is rolling.


I'm too young to have seen Wilt play, but from what I've seen I cant' say he had more skill than Hakeem. Plus, for how dominant Wilt was statistically, it sure didn't result in many championships.

So its just rings for you? then yes, hakeem is better than wilt.



Hakeem and Wilt won the same number of rings - 2.

If it's all about rings, the best centers (among Hall of Famers) are Russell, Kareem, George Mikan, Shaq and Robert Parish.


And John Salley.


Well, I specifically mentioned only Hall of Fame centers because players have to be an equal level before the ring count matters.

We all know it makes sense to compare Kobe and Jordan or Kareem and Shaq, but we also know it doesn't make sense to bring guys like Salley and Steve Kerr into the discussion.

Big difference between being the 1-2 guy on a ring team and being the 6-9 guy.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:29 pm    Post subject:

activeverb wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
activeverb wrote:
SuperboyReformed wrote:
vanexelent wrote:
SuperboyReformed wrote:
vanexelent wrote:
Hakeem is the 2nd best Center of all time, after Kareem. But, if I were starting a team I'd take prime Shaq over Hakeem.
Wilt is rolling.


I'm too young to have seen Wilt play, but from what I've seen I cant' say he had more skill than Hakeem. Plus, for how dominant Wilt was statistically, it sure didn't result in many championships.

So its just rings for you? then yes, hakeem is better than wilt.



Hakeem and Wilt won the same number of rings - 2.

If it's all about rings, the best centers (among Hall of Famers) are Russell, Kareem, George Mikan, Shaq and Robert Parish.


And John Salley.


Well, I specifically mentioned only Hall of Fame centers because players have to be an equal level before the ring count matters.

We all know it makes sense to compare Kobe and Jordan or Kareem and Shaq, but we also know it doesn't make sense to bring guys like Salley and Steve Kerr into the discussion.

Big difference between being the 1-2 guy on a ring team and being the 6-9 guy.


But is Parish really on the same level as Kareem?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:40 pm    Post subject:

SuperboyReformed wrote:
vanexelent wrote:
SuperboyReformed wrote:
vanexelent wrote:
Hakeem is the 2nd best Center of all time, after Kareem. But, if I were starting a team I'd take prime Shaq over Hakeem.
Wilt is rolling.


I'm too young to have seen Wilt play, but from what I've seen I cant' say he had more skill than Hakeem. Plus, for how dominant Wilt was statistically, it sure didn't result in many championships.

So its just rings for you? then yes, hakeem is better than wilt.


What gave you the impression I think it's just about rings? You do know they have the same right? I said Hakeem was the more skilled player. Wilt is largely known for his dominant stat lines, but I wonder why his dominance didn't lead to more championships, like Shaq's did.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 1:41 pm    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
activeverb wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
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SuperboyReformed wrote:
vanexelent wrote:
SuperboyReformed wrote:
vanexelent wrote:
Hakeem is the 2nd best Center of all time, after Kareem. But, if I were starting a team I'd take prime Shaq over Hakeem.
Wilt is rolling.


I'm too young to have seen Wilt play, but from what I've seen I cant' say he had more skill than Hakeem. Plus, for how dominant Wilt was statistically, it sure didn't result in many championships.

So its just rings for you? then yes, hakeem is better than wilt.



Hakeem and Wilt won the same number of rings - 2.

If it's all about rings, the best centers (among Hall of Famers) are Russell, Kareem, George Mikan, Shaq and Robert Parish.


And John Salley.


Well, I specifically mentioned only Hall of Fame centers because players have to be an equal level before the ring count matters.

We all know it makes sense to compare Kobe and Jordan or Kareem and Shaq, but we also know it doesn't make sense to bring guys like Salley and Steve Kerr into the discussion.

Big difference between being the 1-2 guy on a ring team and being the 6-9 guy.


But is Parish really on the same level as Kareem?


For the purposes of this discussion I chose a criteria of being in the hall of fame as the minimum entry requirement to be in the debate. Obviously no one would actually consider parish and Kareem to be equal
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 6:25 am    Post subject:

How good was Shaq considered as a defender?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 11:01 am    Post subject:

Shaq was as close to the dominance that Wilt brought as any other player. Both were able to do what they wanted and no one could stop them. Of course I am biased as well.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 12:20 pm    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
How good was Shaq considered as a defender?


Very good one on one, not so good on help defense.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 2:39 pm    Post subject:

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How good was Shaq considered as a defender?


Very good one on one, not so good on help defense.


He was a paint plug extraordinaire. Imposing figure for a lot of smalls unless they could get him in a recovering position. When he was eye to eye with them, it wasn't easy to get a shot over him.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 5:38 pm    Post subject:

I love Hakeem, I think he is a great dude and he was an amazing player.

He had his own style, he was truly without a doubt an all time great.

That said, I voted for Shaq and not because he played for the Lakers.

Shaq was arguably the most fearsome dominant force in the league besides Wilt Chamberlain, ever. If he had worked harder, he could have been the Greatest Player of All Time.

As it is, he is an obvious 1st Ballot Hall of Famer as is Hakeem of course. No one could stop an enraged prime Shaq, I will tell you that.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 5:44 pm    Post subject:

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Hmm...this is a good one.

My inkling is Hakeem. Less overall weaknesses. Could even play in today's NBA IMO.



So could Shaq.

Imagine a team trying to put Draymond on Shaq to defend him >_>
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:34 am    Post subject:

Shaq's weakness has always been between his ears.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 1:20 pm    Post subject:

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Hmm...this is a good one.

My inkling is Hakeem. Less overall weaknesses. Could even play in today's NBA IMO.



So could Shaq.

Imagine a team trying to put Draymond on Shaq to defend him >_>


Putting Draymond on Shaq would be just like what the Spurs did when they threw Malik Rose on Shaq. I remember Malik had to be at a 20 degree angle just to get some leverage on Shaq.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 2:08 pm    Post subject:

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yinoma2001 wrote:
Hmm...this is a good one.

My inkling is Hakeem. Less overall weaknesses. Could even play in today's NBA IMO.



So could Shaq.

Imagine a team trying to put Draymond on Shaq to defend him >_>


Putting Draymond on Shaq would be just like what the Spurs did when they threw Malik Rose on Shaq. I remember Malik had to be at a 20 degree angle just to get some leverage on Shaq.


Precisely.


People act like post up centers couldn't work in todays NBA.

The truth is they can, what doesn't 'work' is centers that can't play defense.

If Okafor could play defense like Drummond or KAT no one would be saying he 'doesn't fit' in the era. It's due to his lack of defense imo. Same can be said of Greg Monroe.

But look at a center like Marc Gasol.. he fits just fine and he's a post up big. It's because he can also defend that it isn't said about him.

Shaq could also defend and had a masterful post game, soft touch and underrated one handed fadeaway. So he'd do just fine.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 4:03 pm    Post subject:

that's a tough one...

Hakeem in his prime completely destroyed Shaq in the finals. Tore up the league in fact. His footwork and overall game was insane.

However, Shaq in his prime was one of the most dominant player ever. Just Dunking on everyone.

If they both played each other in their prime....damn. Think it go either way but I'd have to say Hakeem.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 9:10 am    Post subject:

Man, I loved watching Prime Hakeem. So graceful and skilled. Shaq was a blunt instrument.

I voted Hakeem, but you really can't go wrong either way. Two of the greatest centers of all time. Imagine if Hakeem had Shaq's brute strength or Shaq Hakeem's skill set. Unstoppable!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:07 pm    Post subject:

Wino wrote:
Who had more skills? Hakeem
Who was more dominant? Shaq

Who would bring you more rings with less talent around him? Shaq

Who would be better in todays game? Hakeem


QFT

Shaq's weakness on the defensive end was getting exposed and switching on the PnR.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:45 am    Post subject:

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Playoffs? Hakeem
Regular Season scoring/Career achievements? Shaq

http://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/hakeem_olajuwon_vs_shaquille_oneal.htm

Talk about splitting hairs.


WHOAAAA, Hakeem averaged 38 in the 88 Playoffs???? I was only three so I surely wouldn't remember that, but wow!
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:07 am    Post subject:

Wino wrote:
Who had more skills? Hakeem
Who was more dominant? Shaq

Who would bring you more rings with less talent around him? Shaq

Who would be better in todays game? Hakeem

I agree except Im not sure Shaq wouldnt be better in today's NBA. He was so dominant he could single-handily destroy the small ball trend in the NBA as he would have field day against tiny stretch centers. Also he was quick and nimble for his size at his peak so its not like small ball teams could really exploit him as some slow lumbering center.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 11:44 am    Post subject:

audioaxes wrote:
Wino wrote:
Who had more skills? Hakeem
Who was more dominant? Shaq

Who would bring you more rings with less talent around him? Shaq

Who would be better in todays game? Hakeem

I agree except Im not sure Shaq wouldnt be better in today's NBA. He was so dominant he could single-handily destroy the small ball trend in the NBA as he would have field day against tiny stretch centers. Also he was quick and nimble for his size at his peak so its not like small ball teams could really exploit him as some slow lumbering center.

shaq himself has said he wouldn't be as dominant with the zone.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:14 pm    Post subject:

Shlumpledink wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
How good was Shaq considered as a defender?


Very good one on one, not so good on help defense.


Disagree. More of the opposite.
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