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dubaholic1 Star Player
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999 Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 6:01 am Post subject: |
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As long as there are no boots on the ground I am ok with it |
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jodeke Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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Bad timing. More hostages have been taken. The chance of more ransom is my worry. IMO Obama opened a door he should not have. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
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LakersChamps04 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 6:13 am Post subject: |
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jodeke wrote: | Bad timing. More hostages have been taken. The chance of more ransom is my worry. IMO Obama opened a door he should not have. |
are we sure its ransom though? sounds like its money we've owed them |
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jodeke Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 8:41 am Post subject: |
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LakersChamps04 wrote: | jodeke wrote: | Bad timing. More hostages have been taken. The chance of more ransom is my worry. IMO Obama opened a door he should not have. |
are we sure its ransom though? sounds like its money we've owed them |
Money owed I've not discounted. That's why I said bad timing.
I vaguely recall reading or hearing, shortly after the money was paid more hostages were taken. If that's in fact true the timing for the payment is poor. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
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lakersken80 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 8:46 am Post subject: |
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It was money held in an escrow account since 1979. It was their money. There probably wouldn't have been a nuclear deal at all if these past grievances weren't settled. |
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jodeke Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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Obama: Payment To Iran Not Ransom, Not Secret
VIDEO _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
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governator Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 6:01 am Post subject: |
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Love Obama... but this is bad optic |
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jodeke Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 6:05 am Post subject: |
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governator wrote: | Love Obama... but this is bad optic |
It is if you saw them unloading $400 million from a plane. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
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governator Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 6:09 am Post subject: |
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jodeke wrote: | governator wrote: | Love Obama... but this is bad optic |
It is if you saw them unloading $400 million from a plane. |
U think so? I know the payment can be justified (it's actually Iran's own money) but outside US, this must look like a ransom payment |
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Buck32 Star Player
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 6:38 am Post subject: |
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governator wrote: | jodeke wrote: | governator wrote: | Love Obama... but this is bad optic |
It is if you saw them unloading $400 million from a plane. |
U think so? I know the payment can be justified (it's actually Iran's own money) but outside US, this must look like a ransom payment |
You don't have to go outside the US. Trump voters believed him after he said he saw a video. Then he backtracked, but it won't matter to his followers. _________________ “Properly read, the bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.”
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 7:44 am Post subject: |
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Even in this 21st century social media world, Mark Twain still rings true -
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gng930 Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 8:20 am Post subject: |
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governator wrote: | jodeke wrote: | governator wrote: | Love Obama... but this is bad optic |
It is if you saw them unloading $400 million from a plane. |
U think so? I know the payment can be justified (it's actually Iran's own money) but outside US, this must look like a ransom payment |
More like outside the oval office.
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ContagiousInspiration Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 9:05 am Post subject: |
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Buck32 wrote: | governator wrote: | jodeke wrote: | governator wrote: | Love Obama... but this is bad optic |
It is if you saw them unloading $400 million from a plane. :lol: |
U think so? I know the payment can be justified (it's actually Iran's own money) but outside US, this must look like a ransom payment |
You don't have to go outside the US. Trump voters believed him after he said he saw a video. Then he backtracked, but it won't matter to his followers. |
Proof of how that man should never be President... I wonder if there may be some more hostages taken Because of Trumps words.... |
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lakerjoshua Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 10:14 am Post subject: |
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Even if it was a ransom who cares. We got back 4 Americans. Everyone seems to be caught up on the money while neglecting the human story here. |
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governator Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 10:20 am Post subject: |
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lakerjoshua wrote: | Even if it was a ransom who cares. We got back 4 Americans. Everyone seems to be caught up on the money while neglecting the human story here. |
US government doesn't negotiate with terrorist is a strong deterrence. I just hope this non-ransom money doesn't give other wanna be kidnappers any ideas |
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lakerjoshua Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 10:28 am Post subject: |
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governator wrote: | lakerjoshua wrote: | Even if it was a ransom who cares. We got back 4 Americans. Everyone seems to be caught up on the money while neglecting the human story here. |
US government doesn't negotiate with terrorist is a strong deterrence. I just hope this non-ransom money doesn't give other wanna be kidnappers any ideas |
We don't negotiate? You sure about that? Bowe Bergdahl disagrees. |
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jodeke Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 10:42 am Post subject: |
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governator wrote: | jodeke wrote: | governator wrote: | Love Obama... but this is bad optic |
It is if you saw them unloading $400 million from a plane. |
U think so? I know the payment can be justified (it's actually Iran's own money) but outside US, this must look like a ransom payment |
That was a poke at Trump. He said he saw them unloading money from a plane. Must have been difficult for him to have to backtrack.
The video I linked gave a in-depth explanation of the payment. Pres is so laid back.
IMO it was planned by Iran to make it look like ransom, which is why I said poor timing. I now add poor planning. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
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governator Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 10:45 am Post subject: |
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jodeke wrote: | governator wrote: | jodeke wrote: | governator wrote: | Love Obama... but this is bad optic |
It is if you saw them unloading $400 million from a plane. |
U think so? I know the payment can be justified (it's actually Iran's own money) but outside US, this must look like a ransom payment |
That was a poke at Trump. He said he saw them unloading money from a plane.
The video I linked gave a in-depth explanation of the payment. Pres is so laid back.
IMO it was planned by Iran to make it look like ransom, which is why I said poor timing. I now add poor planning. |
Yeah, Def poor timing creating poor optic |
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Aussiesuede Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 10:49 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Donald Trump acknowledged Friday that the videotape he has been talking about over the last couple of days is of American prisoners being freed from Iran and not of a $400 million cash payment from the U.S. as he had described it. |
Trump Backs Down _________________ I'm On point, On task, On message, and Off drugs. A Streetwise Smart Bomb, Out of rehab and In denial. Over the Top, On the edge, Under the Radar, and In Control. Behind the 8 ball, Ahead of the Curve and I've got a Love Child who sends me Hate mail. |
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unleasHell Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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jodeke wrote: | Bad timing. More hostages have been taken. The chance of more ransom is my worry. IMO Obama opened a door he should not have. |
No problem, Hillary will pay... _________________ “Always remember... Rumors are carried by haters, spread by fools, and accepted by idiots.” |
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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Sadly, even IF schlump was right....
wow.. just wow.. the guy that asks why we can't use our nukes repeatedly...
Donald Trump just endangered more innocent us civilians in the middle east than any single individual before him
he needs to shut his horrible fat mouth |
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Reflexx Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 2:24 am Post subject: |
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So, it appears it was a ransom and not coincidence.
And there was one hostage left behind. The only one that was a Jew. |
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dubaholic1 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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Reflexx wrote: | So, it appears it was a ransom and not coincidence.
And there was one hostage left behind. The only one that was a Jew. |
Source? |
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