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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:45 am Post subject:
defense wrote:
I really don't see Ingram getting more than 25 minutes a game so it would be hard to do better statistically. He could look better over all though.
His BPM and per36 numbers could look better than DLO's last year. But in term of traditional stats., DLO's rookie year will be better than Ingrams. Unless Deng gets hurt (knock on wood). _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
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Joined: 15 Sep 2012 Posts: 29283 Location: La La Land
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:48 am Post subject:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Doesn't seem that the "better" criteria has been defined.
More PPG? I say DLO.
More APG? DLO.
RPG? Ingram.
3%? I'm going to say DLO as 35% is pretty good for rookies.
So how exactly are we measuring "better?"
Exactly. Traditional counting stats, DLO will have a better rookie year.
Advanced stats, I could see Ingram beating out rookie DLO in some categories. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
Doesn't seem that the "better" criteria has been defined.
More PPG? I say DLO.
More APG? DLO.
RPG? Ingram.
3%? I'm going to say DLO as 35% is pretty good for rookies.
So how exactly are we measuring "better?"
Exactly. Traditional counting stats, DLO will have a better rookie year.
Advanced stats, I could see Ingram beating out rookie DLO in some categories.
I think Ingram will have great advanced stats.
But I think DLO would have too if not for poor coaching last year.
I'm very happy that Ingram gets to grow in a non-Byron atmosphere. Our poor other rookies went through a lot with Byron...maybe the least negatively affected was JC/Nance. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
I'm willing to say Brandon's rookie season will be infinitely less frustrating than D'Lo's.
I'm willing to bet the numbers look similar but it's just the perception and aura around him that will make Brandon look far superior as a rookie.
he joins the Lakers with less controversy (i.e. Okafor and to a smaller extend, Porky and Mudiay). Seems to be a really humble and soft spoken kid so I sure hope we won't have to make an Ingram P&M thread, though invariably, some will resort to it. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
I don't believe Ingram will play as many minutes as Dlo, I think the coaching staff will bring him and Big Zu slowly
I would prefer that, from a body development standpoint for Ingram. An extra 2 months of weight training before going full bore out there for 30mins a night would be ideal, imo. Set him loose at the beginning of the new year
If Ingram is supposed to be the clear cut superstar then why shouldn't he do better?
I don't see Ingram as the clear cut superstar. He's got all the potential in the world but he will need a lot of time to develop.
The only thing Ingram is gonna develop in the early stage is his physical attributes and his weight.
He's gonna be a problem for players to deal with once he steps into the Basketball court.
Even if that is "all" he has to develop, those are significant factors in a player's success. There's no shame in not walking into the league as a guy you can pencil in for 20 a night.
Russell for counting stats.
Ingram for "advanced" stats.
This. And Ingram for eye test
I also think they'll be about even in their respective sophomore seasons , but I think Russell will be better in his 3rd season than Ingram. He's gunna be great.
I'm willing to say Brandon's rookie season will be infinitely less frustrating than D'Lo's.
I'm willing to bet the numbers look similar but it's just the perception and aura around him that will make Brandon look far superior as a rookie.
he joins the Lakers with less controversy (i.e. Okafor and to a smaller extend, Porky and Mudiay). Seems to be a really humble and soft spoken kid so I sure hope we won't have to make an Ingram P&M thread, though invariably, some will resort to it.
there will be one within 10 games.
Ben Simmons is about to dazzle the NBA right off the bat and Dunn is going to look like a sure star. It's inevitable.
Oh well. Big picture is 5 years from now if BI can be a dominant second option for D'LO.
Russell for counting stats.
Ingram for "advanced" stats.
This. And Ingram for eye test
I also think they'll be about even in their respective sophomore seasons , but I think Russell will be better in his 3rd season than Ingram. He's gunna be great.
Isn't it great we have both! _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
Russell for counting stats.
Ingram for "advanced" stats.
This. And Ingram for eye test
I also think they'll be about even in their respective sophomore seasons , but I think Russell will be better in his 3rd season than Ingram. He's gunna be great.
This is a difficult question, IMHO. I think this depends on what once considers a successful season. Brandon Ingram is entering a much more supportive environment. But he'll probably play behind Deng. Also, the ball won't be in his hands. Statistically, I'm just not sure he will have the opportunity to produce even what DLo managed.
Russell for counting stats.
Ingram for "advanced" stats.
This. And Ingram for eye test
I also think they'll be about even in their respective sophomore seasons , but I think Russell will be better in his 3rd season than Ingram. He's gunna be great.
I got good news for you: Ingram is gonna be great too!
Well, if Ingram is coming off the bench, he will be getting a lot of playing time in the 4th quarters when the Lakers are down by 15+ and the other team is resting their starters, meaning Ingram should be able to dominate the other teams scrubs...
And at least Ingram will not be benched by Coach Scott...! _________________ “Always remember... Rumors are carried by haters, spread by fools, and accepted by idiots.”
Not a fair question, since DLO played under Byron and Ingram will play under Luke. One is almost set up to fail and the other is likely going to be placed in the best position to succeed.
I do think DLO will have a bigger impact than Ingram this year.
Unless Ingram goes on a scoring tear, I don't see how he will be a 13 ppg scorer (DLO's rookie year) this year off the bench.
We don't know that he'll be coming off the bench.
He's not displacing Deng in the starting lineup yet. I can see maybe if he balls at the end of the year. I don't see the Lakers starting Deng at PF either.
As of now we don't know....They haven't even had training camp yet.
Once they've gone through training camp the coaching staff will make a decision.
Of course that's the case. But I doubt Deng signed with the understanding he's coming off the bench. It may not be the case by the end of the year, but I certainly see Ingram being a top reserve off the bench at the beginning of the year.
Deng literally said in an interview that he'd be fine coming off the bench. Plus at this stage in his career, limited mins would mean more overall effectiveness. I hope he takes on sort of a iggy role, as cliche as that sounds.
Unless Ingram goes on a scoring tear, I don't see how he will be a 13 ppg scorer (DLO's rookie year) this year off the bench.
We don't know that he'll be coming off the bench.
He's not displacing Deng in the starting lineup yet. I can see maybe if he balls at the end of the year. I don't see the Lakers starting Deng at PF either.
As of now we don't know....They haven't even had training camp yet.
Once they've gone through training camp the coaching staff will make a decision.
Of course that's the case. But I doubt Deng signed with the understanding he's coming off the bench. It may not be the case by the end of the year, but I certainly see Ingram being a top reserve off the bench at the beginning of the year.
Deng literally said in an interview that he'd be fine coming off the bench. Plus at this stage in his career, limited mins would mean more overall effectiveness. I hope he takes on sort of a iggy role, as cliche as that sounds.
I doubt it. This year it's likely Deng at SF, but maybe towards the end, Ingram may get some starts (and def next year).
He's still 18. He needs some time to get his body up to speed. Why not go up against other team's benches for now instead of having to guard Lebron, Melo, Kahwai, etc. right off the bat? _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
Unless Ingram goes on a scoring tear, I don't see how he will be a 13 ppg scorer (DLO's rookie year) this year off the bench.
We don't know that he'll be coming off the bench.
He's not displacing Deng in the starting lineup yet. I can see maybe if he balls at the end of the year. I don't see the Lakers starting Deng at PF either.
As of now we don't know....They haven't even had training camp yet.
Once they've gone through training camp the coaching staff will make a decision.
Of course that's the case. But I doubt Deng signed with the understanding he's coming off the bench. It may not be the case by the end of the year, but I certainly see Ingram being a top reserve off the bench at the beginning of the year.
Deng literally said in an interview that he'd be fine coming off the bench. Plus at this stage in his career, limited mins would mean more overall effectiveness. I hope he takes on sort of a iggy role, as cliche as that sounds.
I doubt it. This year it's likely Deng at SF, but maybe towards the end, Ingram may get some starts (and def next year).
He's still 18. He needs some time to get his body up to speed. Why not go up against other team's benches for now instead of having to guard Lebron, Melo, Kahwai, etc. right off the bat?
That makes sense. The kid needs time to mature and get acclimated to the rigors of NBA basketball.
In time, we all know that, he will be a bona-fide stud if brought along properly.
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