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dcarter4kobe Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:48 am Post subject: |
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We wont be ready until the summer of 2018 IMO to truly be able to go after max free agents and have them listen.
Summer of 2017 will be for large 1 year deals for guys like Andre Iguodala or Jj Reddick. Tony Allen would also be a good target. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though." |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:54 am Post subject: |
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dcarter4kobe wrote: | We wont be ready until the summer of 2018 IMO to truly be able to go after max free agents and have them listen.
Summer of 2017 will be for large 1 year deals for guys like Andre Iguodala or Jj Reddick. Tony Allen would also be a good target. |
Agreed.
And if we have to, hopefully there's an amnesty clause and waive/stretch in new CBA.
Further, assuming we convey our 2017 pick to Philly and get our 2018 pick (IIRC), I don't see us keeping that pick. Maybe trade that with some bloated contracts that will have 2 years left on the deal. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Cochese Starting Rotation
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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Its obvious, its because nobody wants to play with Kobe...
Seriously though I think its pretty simple. We are a bad team filled with young players. The top guys are not going to waste their prime years in a rebuilding situation. Dudes want to win now and we aren't in a position to do so. If our young guys develop and improve we will be a more desirable free agency destination.
Also, the perception of our front office being incompetent doesn't help either. |
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SDLakersFan Star Player
Joined: 01 Apr 2012 Posts: 2044
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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No one wants to play with Kobe...oh wait
It's obvious that the dysfunction in the front office is effecting us. As much as we hear from the Internet, the layers and agents hear A LOT more being in the know. |
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True Lakers Fan Starting Rotation
Joined: 28 Oct 2011 Posts: 917 Location: Texas
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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Because we can't keep using our past accomplishments anymore. We have to re-prove our franchise after 4 years of being not in the playoffs. _________________ I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying. |
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watchME Star Player
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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Because they are afraid they wont bring what kobe brought. What shaq, magic and those guys brought. the only guys capable of replicating that already have their own teams.. Is it hard to understand? |
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KBH Franchise Player
Joined: 13 Sep 2008 Posts: 12171
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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Like VLF said, we've signed one Hall-of-Fame level superstar in his prime in the past 30+ years. Don't let the media's narrative about the demise of the Lakers fool you. Signing franchise-altering superstars is the exception, not the rule.
These media members have all had their own theories as to why we haven't landed superstars ranging from the specter of Kobe Bryant, the incompetence of Jim Buss and the luster of our gold not shining as bright when the reason is far simpler. We haven't been able to offer the most money and the best situation.
Dwight left because he read the writing on the wall when Kobe and Nash each suffered what amounted to career-ending injuries. Carmelo passed on us because the Knicks could offer significantly more money. Aldridge passed on us because we had a young roster a few years away from contention and a coach with anachronistic philosophies. Durant joined a team that won 73 teams without him, so that tells you why he didn't bother meeting with us.
None of these reasons are quite as provocative as Kobe and/or Jim being cancers killing the Lakers from within or even that stars are afraid of playing for the Lakers, but what they are is reality. |
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jonnybravo Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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Name one sub-20 win team that was ever able to poach a max player in the history of ever and we can talk. |
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KeepItRealOrElse Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | It's more of a "winning/ Rangz" culture now than it ever was. And we're worse than we ever were - our young guys are completely unproven, like, they didn't instill confidence that they'd be future all stars last year. This year and 17-18' particularly i guarantee Russell will prove he'll be that - And Ingram probably will too in his sophomore year. Then Free Agents will come that summer, for sure. |
No one wants to eat a pie that's been baked for 15 minutes.
We need to cook our pie a bit more; FAs will flock to eat that LA pie soon enough. Just can't continue to serve underbaked pies. |
pie sounds good. |
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TDRock Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | It's more of a "winning/ Rangz" culture now than it ever was. And we're worse than we ever were - our young guys are completely unproven, like, they didn't instill confidence that they'd be future all stars last year. This year and 17-18' particularly i guarantee Russell will prove he'll be that - And Ingram probably will too in his sophomore year. Then Free Agents will come that summer, for sure. |
No one wants to eat a pie that's been baked for 15 minutes.
We need to cook our pie a bit more; FAs will flock to eat that LA pie soon enough. Just can't continue to serve underbaked pies. |
pie sounds good. |
I bake great pies |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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Ingram needs to eat more pies. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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dcarter4kobe Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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The great news is our top 10 will likely look the same come next season
Mozgov/Zubac
Randle/Nance
Ingram/Deng
JC/Brown
Russell/Lou (?)
Would like to see Lou moved for a more flexibility and a future draft pick that could possibly be used in the next summer if we need do dump a contract. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though." |
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nash Star Player
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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Right now our team sucks, just that.
If someone want to come with a buddy to play together them we could have traded some assets for a 3rd piece, but no superstar will land on a 17 win roster. |
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Fortysixn2 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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Because players who deserve and want max contracts are either in their prime or exiting their prime. We don't have enough on the roster to make a deep playoff run right now even if we signed Lebron. No player is going to waste their prime in a rebuild. They all want the best chance to compete for a championship.
It's pretty simple and I'm not sure why people have a hard time wrapping their head around this. |
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LakerFan87 Franchise Player
Joined: 25 May 2008 Posts: 18984 Location: The High Desert
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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Other teams can offer max contracts too.
And a lot of those other teams don't suck as bad as we do and don't have a dysfunctional front offices. _________________ ...in my opinion. |
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tox Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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SDLakersFan wrote: | No one wants to play with Kobe...oh wait
It's obvious that the dysfunction in the front office is effecting us. As much as we hear from the Internet, the layers and agents hear A LOT more being in the know. |
Or... and just bear with me... we suck, and no max player wants to go to a team that sucks. |
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Boldarblood Starting Rotation
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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clutchkobe wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | I see our current situation as being like owning a prime beach side property. Awesome. Except we have just started construction on it and will take 2 years.
Or, you can live at the nice house that's already made, might be a little older and less modern, but it's a house that's liveable right now. |
the problem is you need the right architect and listing agent to get top dollar. It doesn't happen just because. We don't have that. if jerry west or sam presti was at the helm I could believe....but I have seen the past of who is at the helm and it wont happen. we are going to have a great beachside location and put up a house that only has 1 bathroom and inferior quality in a neighborhood of high quality homes with 4 to 5 bathrooms. |
I couldn't disagree with you more. MC has done a masterful job of balancing the needs of Kobe's twilight wile also restocking the cupboards. Kobe FT completely screwed up any rebuild. This is the first year of the rebuild. You can no longer build through buying the best free agents. It just doesn't work that way anymore. You have to build through draft, and we have done better than most teams, if not the best overall. |
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HOF Rookie Star Player
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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in addition to what several had mentioned here, the current CBA essentially locks good players up for 7 -9 years. Everyone coming off their rookie deal wants to get paid. |
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png Starting Rotation
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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Top Free Agents WILL NOT sign until Jimmy Buss is removed from the Lakers, period. |
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Gomur Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 3:17 am Post subject: |
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- California tax is cray cray.
- Would rather be the big fish in a small pond.
- LA spotlight burns too brightly for those preferring privacy.
- Jerseys in the rafters are too daunting.
- Not sold on current talent or coaching.
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RichD Star Player
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Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 3:26 am Post subject: |
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The Lakers are not good yet. In a few years they will. Calm down. |
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kikanga Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 3:32 am Post subject: |
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Thank goodness Jim Buss's deadline isn't real. Because I'm not seeing alot of avenues in which we become "contenders" by 2017.
Like yinoma said, these pre-extensions are a game changer.
It's crazy that contending was the plan given that we're at the polar opposite end of contending. We're in a similar boat as Philly. Who had a GM whose goal was to lose as much as possible.
It's like running a race as hard as you can, and tying a person who just decided to walk it. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 5:09 am Post subject: |
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kikanga wrote: | Thank goodness Jim Buss's deadline isn't real. Because I'm not seeing alot of avenues in which we become "contenders" by 2017.
Like yinoma said, these pre-extensions are a game changer.
It's crazy that contending was the plan given that we're at the polar opposite end of contending. We're in a similar boat as Philly. Who had a GM whose goal was to lose as much as possible.
It's like running a race as hard as you can, and tying a person who just decided to walk it. |
Yeah. The pre-extensions have taken away 2 Lakers FA targets so far (Harden, WB). it may also take away PG13. The lure of getting an instant 9-10m bump for basically staying 1 more year is too great. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Bol Star Player
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Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 6:04 am Post subject: |
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Last two years, top 2 free agents Aldridge and Durant went to join the best teams they could, teams that were already strong contenders even without them. That's how it is now, have to be a great team to appeal to a top player. So better keep developing these youngsters. |
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pio2u Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 6:14 am Post subject: |
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"If you build it, they will come" |
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