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Gomur Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 7:55 am Post subject: |
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pio2u wrote: | "If you build it, they will come" |
"Ease our pain." |
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Dr. Funkbot Star Player
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Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 10:23 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | I think 2017 may shape up to be a disappointment too. I would rather pursue non-big names and try to save up as much cap space for 2018 (PG13, WB, Cousins are targets).
The pie is in the oven. It may take 2 full seasons. But it'll be worth the wait. |
I think that by 2018 PG, WB and Cousins will be starting to decline. We will see, but I think that there are players who are not currently on the radar who will be the ones to target in 2018. _________________ R.I.P. Doc Buss |
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LakerFan1977 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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Dr. Funkbot wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | I think 2017 may shape up to be a disappointment too. I would rather pursue non-big names and try to save up as much cap space for 2018 (PG13, WB, Cousins are targets).
The pie is in the oven. It may take 2 full seasons. But it'll be worth the wait. |
I think that by 2018 PG, WB and Cousins will be starting to decline. We will see, but I think that there are players who are not currently on the radar who will be the ones to target in 2018. |
I disagree. most players don't "decline" until 35 after that generally its significant from year to year, but players can still dominate up until 37,38 and with advancements in nutrition that number can go up, Randle will compliment or be replaced, we could probably have a shot at pretty much all of them, we will be in the playoffs if not this season next season for sure, they all will see that and once again say all there missing is me, it really doesn't matter if it is Blake or Demarcus or Paul George or WB they all cant miss the logic from the opportunity to win multiple titles and be on the greatest franchise in NBA history _________________ Hambuger! The cornerstone of any nutritious breakfast |
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unleasHell Franchise Player
Joined: 16 Apr 2001 Posts: 11591 Location: Stay Thirsty my Friends
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Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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Isn't the reason obvious?
two words - JIM BUSS _________________ “Always remember... Rumors are carried by haters, spread by fools, and accepted by idiots.” |
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cthroatgtr Star Player
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Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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Most players don't want the pressure. Kobe was an exception and given the right circumstances would have wanted to play for the Bulls and wear #24 proudly. Shaq knew coming to LA the would be great because he was there. The rest of the league...read Lebron & Durant, they don't want that pressure. They want a "big three". Lakers just didn't have the horses. It didn't help having Byron as coach and an old Kobe. Now they are simply too young. Why would someone like Durant come when the rest of the roster is still figuring it out.
Give it time, they will come... |
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KBH Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 5:17 am Post subject: |
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cthroatgtr wrote: | Most players don't want the pressure. Kobe was an exception and given the right circumstances would have wanted to play for the Bulls and wear #24 proudly. Shaq knew coming to LA the would be great because he was there. The rest of the league...read Lebron & Durant, they don't want that pressure. They want a "big three". Lakers just didn't have the horses. It didn't help having Byron as coach and an old Kobe. Now they are simply too young. Why would someone like Durant come when the rest of the roster is still figuring it out.
Give it time, they will come... |
Shaq joined a team that won 53 games without him and even Kobe was demanding a trade in 2007 when he thought the front office was wasting his time. No superstar is going to join a team where he has to spend his prime years waiting for other guys to develop. Even Kobe was saying to ship Bynum out because he didn't want to wait for him. It has very little to do with players not being brave enough. |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 8:25 am Post subject: |
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The reality is that under the current climate, high value free agents simply aren't leaving their teams and going to bad teams. If they are jumping, it is to increase their chances of winning. So until you build a team through draft, trade, and lower level free agents, they aren't coming. Period.
That's why la has kept a max open but moved to adding second tier guys and taking on contracts for picks. They are trying to build to an att4active level and acquire assets, to facilitate trades. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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ringfinger Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 8:36 am Post subject: |
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KBH wrote: | cthroatgtr wrote: | Most players don't want the pressure. Kobe was an exception and given the right circumstances would have wanted to play for the Bulls and wear #24 proudly. Shaq knew coming to LA the would be great because he was there. The rest of the league...read Lebron & Durant, they don't want that pressure. They want a "big three". Lakers just didn't have the horses. It didn't help having Byron as coach and an old Kobe. Now they are simply too young. Why would someone like Durant come when the rest of the roster is still figuring it out.
Give it time, they will come... |
Shaq joined a team that won 53 games without him and even Kobe was demanding a trade in 2007 when he thought the front office was wasting his time. No superstar is going to join a team where he has to spend his prime years waiting for other guys to develop. Even Kobe was saying to ship Bynum out because he didn't want to wait for him. It has very little to do with players not being brave enough. |
Yup. This whole pressure thing with LA is overblown. What's funny is that there is actually more pressure on a guy like Durant now to win because of the move he made.
Had he come here, there'd be no pressure at all other than to make this team better which wouldn't be hard since it's going to be better Durant or not.
There are some guys who don't like the bright lights, but the idea that most players dont come to LA because its too much pressure is just silly. When we show we we're a stock on the rise, they will invest in us. |
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Jim99187 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 8:41 am Post subject: |
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Omar Little wrote: | The reality is that under the current climate, high value free agents simply aren't leaving their teams and going to bad teams. If they are jumping, it is to increase their chances of winning. So until you build a team through draft, trade, and lower level free agents, they aren't coming. Period.
That's why la has kept a max open but moved to adding second tier guys and taking on contracts for picks. They are trying to build to an att4active level and acquire assets, to facilitate trades. |
Do they have max space + top 3 pick $$? |
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tox Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 10:49 am Post subject: |
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ringfinger wrote: | KBH wrote: | cthroatgtr wrote: | Most players don't want the pressure. Kobe was an exception and given the right circumstances would have wanted to play for the Bulls and wear #24 proudly. Shaq knew coming to LA the would be great because he was there. The rest of the league...read Lebron & Durant, they don't want that pressure. They want a "big three". Lakers just didn't have the horses. It didn't help having Byron as coach and an old Kobe. Now they are simply too young. Why would someone like Durant come when the rest of the roster is still figuring it out.
Give it time, they will come... |
Shaq joined a team that won 53 games without him and even Kobe was demanding a trade in 2007 when he thought the front office was wasting his time. No superstar is going to join a team where he has to spend his prime years waiting for other guys to develop. Even Kobe was saying to ship Bynum out because he didn't want to wait for him. It has very little to do with players not being brave enough. |
Yup. This whole pressure thing with LA is overblown. What's funny is that there is actually more pressure on a guy like Durant now to win because of the move he made.
Had he come here, there'd be no pressure at all other than to make this team better which wouldn't be hard since it's going to be better Durant or not.
There are some guys who don't like the bright lights, but the idea that most players dont come to LA because its too much pressure is just silly. When we show we we're a stock on the rise, they will invest in us. |
There's more pressure for Durant to win now, yes.
But he has (far) less responsibility to play well to accomplish that goal. In that sense, there is less pressure on him in Golden State than anywhere else where he's the clear #1.
And yes, I agree that people not coming to LA due to 'pressure' is unlikely. |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 11:00 am Post subject: |
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Jim99187 wrote: | Omar Little wrote: | The reality is that under the current climate, high value free agents simply aren't leaving their teams and going to bad teams. If they are jumping, it is to increase their chances of winning. So until you build a team through draft, trade, and lower level free agents, they aren't coming. Period.
That's why la has kept a max open but moved to adding second tier guys and taking on contracts for picks. They are trying to build to an att4active level and acquire assets, to facilitate trades. |
Do they have max space + top 3 pick $$? |
Not if they can help it. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 11:46 am Post subject: |
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ringfinger wrote: | KBH wrote: | cthroatgtr wrote: | Most players don't want the pressure. Kobe was an exception and given the right circumstances would have wanted to play for the Bulls and wear #24 proudly. Shaq knew coming to LA the would be great because he was there. The rest of the league...read Lebron & Durant, they don't want that pressure. They want a "big three". Lakers just didn't have the horses. It didn't help having Byron as coach and an old Kobe. Now they are simply too young. Why would someone like Durant come when the rest of the roster is still figuring it out.
Give it time, they will come... |
Shaq joined a team that won 53 games without him and even Kobe was demanding a trade in 2007 when he thought the front office was wasting his time. No superstar is going to join a team where he has to spend his prime years waiting for other guys to develop. Even Kobe was saying to ship Bynum out because he didn't want to wait for him. It has very little to do with players not being brave enough. |
Yup. This whole pressure thing with LA is overblown. What's funny is that there is actually more pressure on a guy like Durant now to win because of the move he made.
Had he come here, there'd be no pressure at all other than to make this team better which wouldn't be hard since it's going to be better Durant or not.
There are some guys who don't like the bright lights, but the idea that most players dont come to LA because its too much pressure is just silly. When we show we we're a stock on the rise, they will invest in us. |
Yeah. Not pressure per se but the team is just in its infancy. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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MJST Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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Cause when you're bottom of the league, 90% of the time it doesn't matter how much money you have. No big time free agent is gonna go there to save you. Mid-level talent or 3rd tier go there to try to save their careers and earn their next paycheck and mid-level talent take advantage of your willingness to overpay cause you need SOMEONE.
That's how it's gonna be till we're a winning team. |
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cthroatgtr Star Player
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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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KBH wrote: | cthroatgtr wrote: | Most players don't want the pressure. Kobe was an exception and given the right circumstances would have wanted to play for the Bulls and wear #24 proudly. Shaq knew coming to LA the would be great because he was there. The rest of the league...read Lebron & Durant, they don't want that pressure. They want a "big three". Lakers just didn't have the horses. It didn't help having Byron as coach and an old Kobe. Now they are simply too young. Why would someone like Durant come when the rest of the roster is still figuring it out.
Give it time, they will come... |
Shaq joined a team that won 53 games without him and even Kobe was demanding a trade in 2007 when he thought the front office was wasting his time. No superstar is going to join a team where he has to spend his prime years waiting for other guys to develop. Even Kobe was saying to ship Bynum out because he didn't want to wait for him. It has very little to do with players not being brave enough. |
He did, but they had to gut most of the team to bring him to LA. Might not be the right comparison but he left a loaded team to go to the Lakers. Point was most players simply don't want the pressure of having to build around them. |
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cthroatgtr Star Player
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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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...and its not the pressure of LA it is the pressure of being the man on an island. Most guys want to stack the odds in their favor. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Hung out with my boy who is a die hard 76ers fan. He's envious of DLO and Ingram. Like effusively praising our selections. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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1hu2ren3dui4 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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Sixers fans have been traumatized by the lakers. The way they talk about dfish makes him seem legendary. |
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LakersRGolden Star Player
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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Everyone acts like a max slot was a big deal this year. There was only two or three teams that couldn't walk into a room with a FA this year and offer the absolute max contract the FA could sign. 2 seasons ago, multiple max slots may have made a difference but the KFT ended this year.
Timing is everything. |
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KBH Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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cthroatgtr wrote: | KBH wrote: | cthroatgtr wrote: | Most players don't want the pressure. Kobe was an exception and given the right circumstances would have wanted to play for the Bulls and wear #24 proudly. Shaq knew coming to LA the would be great because he was there. The rest of the league...read Lebron & Durant, they don't want that pressure. They want a "big three". Lakers just didn't have the horses. It didn't help having Byron as coach and an old Kobe. Now they are simply too young. Why would someone like Durant come when the rest of the roster is still figuring it out.
Give it time, they will come... |
Shaq joined a team that won 53 games without him and even Kobe was demanding a trade in 2007 when he thought the front office was wasting his time. No superstar is going to join a team where he has to spend his prime years waiting for other guys to develop. Even Kobe was saying to ship Bynum out because he didn't want to wait for him. It has very little to do with players not being brave enough. |
He did, but they had to gut most of the team to bring him to LA. Might not be the right comparison but he left a loaded team to go to the Lakers. Point was most players simply don't want the pressure of having to build around them. |
I wouldn't say we "gutted" the team. We kept what was the young core at the time of Eddie and Nick, who were proven as good players. And still had Elden Campbell as well. |
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SuperboyReformed Star Player
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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LakersRGolden wrote: | Everyone acts like a max slot was a big deal this year. There was only two or three teams that couldn't walk into a room with a FA this year and offer the absolute max contract the FA could sign. 2 seasons ago, multiple max slots may have made a difference but the KFT ended this year.
Timing is everything. |
exactly! how is this not considered more??
if everyone can get a max, then it's not about money. so it's probably about winning a championship. and there are still only a handful of teams that will be able to do that. durant went to one. |
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ringfinger Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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LakersRGolden wrote: | Everyone acts like a max slot was a big deal this year. There was only two or three teams that couldn't walk into a room with a FA this year and offer the absolute max contract the FA could sign. 2 seasons ago, multiple max slots may have made a difference but the KFT ended this year.
Timing is everything. |
Not to mention, Durant aside, what max player was available? Derozan was not for me anyway, a max caliber player. Conley either. |
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davidse Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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LakersRGolden wrote: | Everyone acts like a max slot was a big deal this year. There was only two or three teams that couldn't walk into a room with a FA this year and offer the absolute max contract the FA could sign. 2 seasons ago, multiple max slots may have made a difference but the KFT ended this year.
Timing is everything. |
Not sure how people keep missing this.
Well, at least some people. the others - I can definitely see how they'd miss this... |
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ReaListik Star Player
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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Because of the storied nature of the Lakers, there is an element of pressure when you're a superstar taking over specifically for a legend like Kobe and the Yankees of basketball. That pressure is not necessarily there when you take over as the alpha for Utah, Charlotte, New Orleans, etc..
I don't think that's what keeps players from coming here. I think players right now want to win and win in the most convenient and least amount of resistance way possible. I think Jerry West tapped into that when he recruited Kevin Durant by stating "make it easier on yourself and join us".
The other elephant in the room is the Buss siblings. People see the incredible dysfunction, and I would strongly question whether or not a solid free agent would even consider joining this team with the current f'ed up regime constantly on display. It does not instill confidence when you have siblings (bleep) at each other and vying for power through childish banter out in the public. _________________ "We are the goodest." - Shaq ESPN interview |
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Laker's Fan Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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Omar Little wrote: | That's why la has kept a max open but moved to adding second tier guys and taking on contracts for picks. They are trying to build to an att4active level and acquire assets, to facilitate trades. |
If there's one thing I wish Mitch would have done more of its space for assets while they were tanking. The deal Philly did with Sacramento would have been nice for example. Did a good job with the Lin deal and I was happy with the Calderon deal. Just wish they could have come away with another 1st rounder because the two 1st deficit still looms pretty large for our future moves.
Would love to see Mitch convert the remaining space and a 2nd rounder into a first. _________________ Austin Reaves keeps his game tight, like Kobe Bryant on game night. |
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kobeandgary Star Player
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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1. Other teams can offer more money to resign them.
2. Other teams have a better supporting cast.
3. Other teams offer less of a tax penalty on signed contracts. |
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