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ringfinger
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| methdxman wrote: | Most Americans do not know how ridiculous the country has gotten but anyone who is not from the States and comes to the States or Americans who have lived abroad a certain amount of time notice that EVERYBODY is a professional victim in the states now.
That's why it's very easy to bet on China becoming the dominant world power. The US is done. Nobody with a "woe is me" attitude gets anywhere in life. Do you think Obama had long stretches of beating himself up over things and thinking that the white man had it out for him? He cancelled out the noise. That's why Obama is Obama.
There are tons of Indian CEOs out there? Why? Indians cut out all the drama and go straight for the top. Meanwhile, Asian Americans (I am Asian American) complain that there is a glass ceiling and they can never become an exec at a big company because of the white man. Now, with this attitude how many Asian Americans will become CEOs? Probably 0. You know why Indians become CEOs? Cuz they don't give a (bleep).
Nowadays, everyone is hurt by everything. You're either transgender, gay, minority, have some medical ailment... you're too fat, too skinny... you're just something. And when someone says anything remotely against what you perceive yourself to be, you go on the attack.
The US is done. Nobody succeeds with an attitude like this, whether whatever your grievance is true or not. |
A bit dramatic for a Kaepernick thread, and I don't agree the US is done, but I completely agree with everything you're saying. Half asian myself and you do have a Tony Hsieh here and there but we are definitely underrepresented in the executive management ranks.
And yeah, I'd agree it has much to do with our culture, and less to do with white man keeping us down.
Back on Kap .... he has an unusually small looking head. |
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:33 pm Post subject: Re: Political correctness |
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| Huey Lewis & The News wrote: | | Is this a problem? If so, how big is the problem? |
I don't sense that PCism is running as rampant in larger society as a Trumpster would have me believe, but judging from some of the videos on college campuses that have come about in the last 2-3 yrs, it would seem that PCism is very potent there. I don't even like the term itself, I think most of what people consider PCism is basic courtesy. In that respect, I guess I consciously try to be PC enough, which is a good thing. To me, it means not being an ahole in general, bigoted or otherwise. However, some of the on campus vids I've seen lately, I gotta rollmyeyes and shakemyhead. Them kids are pretty high-strung to say the least. I understand, still, that teens and early 20s can be a righteous lot with a native sense of optimism, so I try to give em space to learn about themselves as long as they're not hurting others. I think those who cry about the existence of PCism are lacking in empathy for others in a general sense. They don't wanna feel anyone else's pain like Billy. Some folks relish being an ahole, fact of life, no way around it. On the other hand, those same empathetic people can be bullies themselves and demand that others step down and be fired and ruined forever for a mistake or for showing a shred of ignorance that doesn't really border on actual racism or sexism.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:55 pm Post subject: Re: Political correctness |
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| non-player zealot wrote: | | Huey Lewis & The News wrote: | | Is this a problem? If so, how big is the problem? |
I don't sense that PCism is running as rampant in larger society as a Trumpster would have me believe, but judging from some of the videos on college campuses that have come about in the last 2-3 yrs, it would seem that PCism is very potent there. I don't even like the term itself, I think most of what people consider PCism is basic courtesy. In that respect, I guess I consciously try to be PC enough, which is a good thing. To me, it means not being an ahole in general, bigoted or otherwise. However, some of the on campus vids I've seen lately, I gotta rollmyeyes and shakemyhead. Them kids are pretty high-strung to say the least. I understand, still, that teens and early 20s can be a righteous lot with a native sense of optimism, so I try to give em space to learn about themselves as long as they're not hurting others. I think those who cry about the existence of PCism are lacking in empathy for others in a general sense. They don't wanna feel anyone else's pain like Billy. Some folks relish being an ahole, fact of life, no way around it. On the other hand, those same empathetic people can be bullies themselves and demand that others step down and be fired and ruined forever for a mistake or for showing a shred of ignorance that doesn't really border on actual racism or sexism. |
Yeah. The main place it seems out of hand is in college, where they're really supposed to be expanding their minds and learning to understand many different types of people instead of insulating themselves and seeing others as enemies that trigger them.
But these kids go into the real world... and many will take that craziness along with them. |
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tlim
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And yet Faux News starts and ends literally every day brainwashing viewers of their ways.
Sad that on average, someone who doesn't follow the news would actually be more accurate than one who follows news of that org. Same could probably be said about people who go to breitbert. |
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ringfinger
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 8:39 am Post subject: Re: Political correctness |
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| Reflexx wrote: | | non-player zealot wrote: | | Huey Lewis & The News wrote: | | Is this a problem? If so, how big is the problem? |
I don't sense that PCism is running as rampant in larger society as a Trumpster would have me believe, but judging from some of the videos on college campuses that have come about in the last 2-3 yrs, it would seem that PCism is very potent there. I don't even like the term itself, I think most of what people consider PCism is basic courtesy. In that respect, I guess I consciously try to be PC enough, which is a good thing. To me, it means not being an ahole in general, bigoted or otherwise. However, some of the on campus vids I've seen lately, I gotta rollmyeyes and shakemyhead. Them kids are pretty high-strung to say the least. I understand, still, that teens and early 20s can be a righteous lot with a native sense of optimism, so I try to give em space to learn about themselves as long as they're not hurting others. I think those who cry about the existence of PCism are lacking in empathy for others in a general sense. They don't wanna feel anyone else's pain like Billy. Some folks relish being an ahole, fact of life, no way around it. On the other hand, those same empathetic people can be bullies themselves and demand that others step down and be fired and ruined forever for a mistake or for showing a shred of ignorance that doesn't really border on actual racism or sexism. |
Yeah. The main place it seems out of hand is in college, where they're really supposed to be expanding their minds and learning to understand many different types of people instead of insulating themselves and seeing others as enemies that trigger them.
But these kids go into the real world... and many will take that craziness along with them. |
To be fair, this has always been the case at college campuses. Eventually, they graduate, some may even make money, and then reality hits and there's the inevitable regression to reality. |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 9:19 am Post subject: Re: Political correctness |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | Reflexx wrote: | | non-player zealot wrote: | | Huey Lewis & The News wrote: | | Is this a problem? If so, how big is the problem? |
I don't sense that PCism is running as rampant in larger society as a Trumpster would have me believe, but judging from some of the videos on college campuses that have come about in the last 2-3 yrs, it would seem that PCism is very potent there. I don't even like the term itself, I think most of what people consider PCism is basic courtesy. In that respect, I guess I consciously try to be PC enough, which is a good thing. To me, it means not being an ahole in general, bigoted or otherwise. However, some of the on campus vids I've seen lately, I gotta rollmyeyes and shakemyhead. Them kids are pretty high-strung to say the least. I understand, still, that teens and early 20s can be a righteous lot with a native sense of optimism, so I try to give em space to learn about themselves as long as they're not hurting others. I think those who cry about the existence of PCism are lacking in empathy for others in a general sense. They don't wanna feel anyone else's pain like Billy. Some folks relish being an ahole, fact of life, no way around it. On the other hand, those same empathetic people can be bullies themselves and demand that others step down and be fired and ruined forever for a mistake or for showing a shred of ignorance that doesn't really border on actual racism or sexism. |
Yeah. The main place it seems out of hand is in college, where they're really supposed to be expanding their minds and learning to understand many different types of people instead of insulating themselves and seeing others as enemies that trigger them.
But these kids go into the real world... and many will take that craziness along with them. |
To be fair, this has always been the case at college campuses. Eventually, they graduate, some may even make money, and then reality hits and there's the inevitable regression to reality. |
Not quite like this though.
College was about exoanding minds and pushing boundaries. That's one reason it tends to be more liberal. They push against the status quo on what is deemed acceptable.
This goes in the opposite direction. It's about silencing diversity of thought. Squelching discussion. |
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ringfinger
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 10:36 am Post subject: Re: Political correctness |
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| Reflexx wrote: | Not quite like this though.
College was about exoanding minds and pushing boundaries. That's one reason it tends to be more liberal. They push against the status quo on what is deemed acceptable.
This goes in the opposite direction. It's about silencing diversity of thought. Squelching discussion. |
Totally agree.
I feel like this is where the extreme liberal movement is hurting themselves. They have no interest in any real discussion (you can even see it on this board). And they are squelching discussion by just pointing fingers and using terms designed to shut discussion down. "Bigot", "racist", and so on.
This is why I've said, and this comes as a biracial US citizen of two minority ethnicities, that the liberal movement of today is more divisive than they think.
The internet has brought to light a number of incredible things, and we're better off overall for it, but man, it has really turned people into numbskulls too. |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 10:59 am Post subject: Re: Political correctness |
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| ringfinger wrote: |
They have no interest in any real discussion (you can even see it on this board). |
You of all people really have the audacity to make that claim? You have shown time and time again that you only see the world from yours and yours alone perspective. A "real discussion" involves an open mind and from time to time empathy, which you seem to severely lack. |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:21 am Post subject: Re: Political correctness |
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| lakeshow03 wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: |
They have no interest in any real discussion (you can even see it on this board). |
You of all people really have the audacity to make that claim? You have shown time and time again that you only see the world from yours and yours alone perspective. A "real discussion" involves an open mind and from time to time empathy, which you seem to severely lack. |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 12:06 pm Post subject: Re: Political correctness |
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| lakeshow03 wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: |
They have no interest in any real discussion (you can even see it on this board). |
You of all people really have the audacity to make that claim? You have shown time and time again that you only see the world from yours and yours alone perspective. A "real discussion" involves an open mind and from time to time empathy, which you seem to severely lack. |
Shall I use this post of your as an example of empathy? This is the awesome thing about the internet. One can show no empathy in a post about not having empathy. Wow!
And yes, I have the audacity. Is that not politically correct enough or something?
If you bothered to have an open mind, you would see that I express beliefs that cross both sides of the spectrum. No party line drone here. My beliefs span across the political spectrum. Yours?
Nahh, we know. |
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tox
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Not really. It's been strawmanned to death though.
The cherrypicked examples that people love to point out? Some of the stuff you read on Tumblr? Yes, those people take it too far.
It's not nearly as much of an issue as people think it is. But people hate the idea of not being allowed to say what they think is OK (as opposed to being empathetic and understanding their perspective might be limited). Combine that with some particularly outrageous examples (this nation loves tis outrage porn), and I'm not surprised people are pretending like political correctness will be the doom of this country. |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: Political correctness |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | lakeshow03 wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: |
They have no interest in any real discussion (you can even see it on this board). |
You of all people really have the audacity to make that claim? You have shown time and time again that you only see the world from yours and yours alone perspective. A "real discussion" involves an open mind and from time to time empathy, which you seem to severely lack. |
Shall I use this post of your as an example of empathy? This is the awesome thing about the internet. One can show no empathy in a post about not having empathy. Wow!
And yes, I have the audacity. Is that not politically correct enough or something?
If you bothered to have an open mind, you would see that I express beliefs that cross both sides of the spectrum. No party line drone here. My beliefs span across the political spectrum. Yours?
Nahh, we know. |
I don't think you quite understand what the word empathy means. Calling you out on your hypocrisy doesn't mean I lack empathy, it means I can see BS when I see it.
My open minded means that even though I make above minimum wage, I can see how others who don't need it to be raised. My open mind allows me, even though I am not African American, to see the injustice and unfair treatment they often receive from the police.
Your arguments take place in such a vacuum and are only from your perspective or a "back in my day" mentality that are completely void of thinking of anyone else, so I fail to see how you can make such claims about yourself. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:11 pm Post subject: Re: Political correctness |
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| Reflexx wrote: |
Yeah. The main place it seems out of hand is in college, where they're really supposed to be expanding their minds and learning to understand many different types of people instead of insulating themselves and seeing others as enemies that trigger them.
But these kids go into the real world... and many will take that craziness along with them. |
You ought to go to an actual college campus. The overly PC are a definite minority, even at a place like Berkeley. Loud, yes. Out of hand? Hardly.
Things might be different at East Coast liberal arts universities but that's still a minority of the overall college population. |
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This whole issue of poltical correctness has been overblown. I agree that some people are a little too PC, but from what I've seen, I don't think it's as big a problem as some want us to think.
I'm a hard core liberal, and I do have the tendency to be somewhat PC, but at the same time, I don't condone the way that Muslims treat women or minorities, or the way they punish free speech. Supposedly liberals are too PC to the point of defending a faith like Islam that goes against their own socially progressive values. Most of my friends are also hard core liberals, and I've never really heard them defend Islam as much as we've been accused of doing.
As someone else said earlier in this thread, there is a way to be a good person and practice kindness and empathy, while being straight up with people and not too PC.
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| slavavov wrote: | This whole issue of poltical correctness has been overblown. I agree that some people are a little too PC, but from what I've seen, I don't think it's as big a problem as some want us to think.
I'm a hard core liberal, and I do have the tendency to be somewhat PC, but at the same time, I don't condone the way that Muslims treat women or minorities, or the way they punish free speech. Supposedly liberals are too PC to the point of defending a faith like Islam that goes against their own socially progressive values. Most of my friends are also hard core liberals, and I've never really heard them defend Islam as much as we've been accused of doing.
As someone else said earlier in this thread, there is a way to be a good person and practice kindness and empathy, while being straight up with people and not too PC. |
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