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 Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 11:00 am Post subject: Rookie Survey picks Brandon Ingram to have Best Career out of 2016-2017 class |
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Q: Who will win NBA Rookie of the Year
1) Kris Dunn (29%)
2) Brandon Ingram (26%)
3) Ben Simmons (19%)
Q: Who will have the Best overall Career in the NBA
1) Brandon Ingram (27%)
2) Kris Dunn (17%)
3) Buddy Hield (13%)
More questionnaire on the link - http://www.nba.com/news/features/john_schuhmann/2016-17-nba-rookie-survey/index.html
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Damn, fellow rookies must not like Simmons. 
But the respect Ingram is getting from his rookie class shows that it'll be worth the wait with him.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 11:12 am Post subject: |
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| Didn't Okafor dominate these polls last year? We all saw how that turned out |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 11:37 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | Damn, fellow rookies must not like Simmons.
But the respect Ingram is getting from his rookie class shows that it'll be worth the wait with him. |
ha, simmons gives off this im-better-than-you aura and ha can't blame the others for not liking him |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | Damn, fellow rookies must not like Simmons.
But the respect Ingram is getting from his rookie class shows that it'll be worth the wait with him. |
Won't be much of a wait. This guy is very good.
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| ainsley wrote: | | Didn't Okafor dominate these polls last year? We all saw how that turned out |
Yeah it's not like this means anything at all. It's mostly a popularity contest, and today I've learned Ben Simmons isn't very popular  |
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Most players consider "peer respect" and the overall opinions of those they play with and against on the court far more relevant than the narrative espoused by fans and the media.
Good start by Ingram, and good news for us! |
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| adkindo wrote: | Most players consider "peer respect" and the overall opinions of those they play with and against on the court far more relevant than the narrative espoused by fans and the media.
Good start by Ingram, and good news for us! |
Yeah. It's clear his rookie class don't seem to like Ben Simmons (as evidenced by Dunn as the #1 ROY candidate, LOL).
I can see his NBA peers coming to respect Ingram a lot, especially once they start trying to test him now when he's physically weaker and he fights back.
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| ainsley wrote: | | Didn't Okafor dominate these polls last year? We all saw how that turned out |
Yeah, he was 1st Team All Rookie. I am Russell over Okafor all day, every day...but Okafor had a really solid NBA rookie season on the court.
Most people consider KAT's year to be a historical type rookie year @ 18/11/2/2 on 54% FG. So Okafor @ 18/7/1/1 on 51% FG has to be considered much better than average. |
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| adkindo wrote: | | ainsley wrote: | | Didn't Okafor dominate these polls last year? We all saw how that turned out |
Yeah, he was 1st Team All Rookie. I am Russell over Okafor all day, every day...but Okafor had a really solid NBA rookie season on the court.
Most people consider KAT's year to be a historical type rookie year @ 18/11/2/2 on 54% FG. So Okafor @ 18/7/1/1 on 51% FG has to be considered much better than average. |
But that's where traditional stats belie impact.
KAT was much more impactful both ways.
OAK was a guy who wanted the ball on iso post ups...and that's about all he contributed.
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Seems like Ben Simmons isn't a very likeable guy (From TMac to now this). I fully expect Simmons to win ROY. Dunn will be competing with Rubio for minutes and Buddy Hield might have a big adjustment period and also has competition at his position (Galloway, E'Twaun Moore). We know who will have the ball in Philly.
I expect a 15/7/4 year from Simmons.
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | Seems like Ben Simmons isn't a very likeable guy (From TMac to now this). I fully expect Simmons to win ROY. Dunn will be competing with Rubio for minutes and Buddy Hield might have a big adjustment period and also has competition at his position (Galloway, E'Twaun Moore). We know who will have the ball in Philly.
I expect a 15/7/4 year from Simmons. |
I see the likely ROY favorite to be Simmons too. Will have the ball in his hands, the media hype, etc. Plus, they have no expectations or criticisms against them as of now. This entire upcoming season is playing with house money for them.
Not sure who the 2nd will be, as Ingram/Dunn are likely to start as reserves. If Dunn gets PT closer to starter minutes, I can see him putting up some numbers.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | ainsley wrote: | | Didn't Okafor dominate these polls last year? We all saw how that turned out |
Yeah, he was 1st Team All Rookie. I am Russell over Okafor all day, every day...but Okafor had a really solid NBA rookie season on the court.
Most people consider KAT's year to be a historical type rookie year @ 18/11/2/2 on 54% FG. So Okafor @ 18/7/1/1 on 51% FG has to be considered much better than average. |
But that's where traditional stats belie impact.
KAT was much more impactful both ways.
OAK was a guy who wanted the ball on iso post ups...and that's about all he contributed. |
I know he is not as talented as Towns, and like I said, I don't think he is more talented than Russell either. I also know he is a flawed player, but he is still projected to have a "good" NBA career with a ceiling of becoming an All-Star.
The post I was responding to said "and we see how that turned out", and my point was it turned out pretty well.....I think he was 3rd or 4th in voting. It was not like they selected R.J. Hunter for ROY. |
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| adkindo wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | ainsley wrote: | | Didn't Okafor dominate these polls last year? We all saw how that turned out |
Yeah, he was 1st Team All Rookie. I am Russell over Okafor all day, every day...but Okafor had a really solid NBA rookie season on the court.
Most people consider KAT's year to be a historical type rookie year @ 18/11/2/2 on 54% FG. So Okafor @ 18/7/1/1 on 51% FG has to be considered much better than average. |
But that's where traditional stats belie impact.
KAT was much more impactful both ways.
OAK was a guy who wanted the ball on iso post ups...and that's about all he contributed. |
I know he is not as talented as Towns, and like I said, I don't think he is more talented than Russell either. I also know he is a flawed player, but he is still projected to have a "good" NBA career with a ceiling of becoming an All-Star.
The post I was responding to said "and we see how that turned out", and my point was it turned out pretty well.....I think he was 3rd or 4th in voting. It was not like they selected R.J. Hunter for ROY. |
Yeah, I think "ceiling" of All-Star is about right, as opposed to a superstar. I think he will end up in the Al Jefferson/Brook Lopez/Kanter archetype where they are good offensive post up scorers, but not 2 way players who may have more of a niche role.
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Also worth noting with Hield, outside of Davis/Holiday, NOP really don't have many scoring options. So if Hield can adjust, he will have a chance to put up big #'s also
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Also worth noting with Hield, outside of Davis/Holiday, NOP really don't have many scoring options. So if Hield can adjust, he will have a chance to put up big #'s also |
Maybe. But some of the concerns raised about Hield being an overrated prospect surfaced in SPL (and yes, it's just SPL). Being an older rookie, he should have fared better.
If he can play the JJ Reddick/JR Smith hybrid role, should be a useful player, albeit not all-star potential player.
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Yeah him struggling in the SL caught my eye too for an older prospect. That's why I think he will have an adjustment period. But outside of Simmons, he might have the biggest opportunity to shine his rookie year
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Yeah him struggling in the SL caught my eye too for an older prospect. That's why I think he will have an adjustment period. But outside of Simmons, he might have the biggest opportunity to shine his rookie year |
It's clear to me at the NBA level, he will be dependent on his teammates for good shots unlike in the NCAA (where he was often 2-3 years older than his competitors), he was a shot taker/creator.
If Holiday is hobbled again, their PG depth is less than flattering and he will find open looks a bit more difficult. Also he will be heavily reliant on ADavis getting him open looks.
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And Simmons was working out with Lebronze. More reason to not like him  |
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | Seems like Ben Simmons isn't a very likeable guy (From TMac to now this). I fully expect Simmons to win ROY. Dunn will be competing with Rubio for minutes and Buddy Hield might have a big adjustment period and also has competition at his position (Galloway, E'Twaun Moore). We know who will have the ball in Philly.
I expect a 15/7/4 year from Simmons. |
15 points seems like a lot. He's also a really good rebounder. I would think something like 13/10/6 considering he's going to have the ball in his hands a lot to rack up dimes. |
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I can see Simmons at 12/9/7 this year.
Ingram, hoping for something like 12/5/2 this year.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | ainsley wrote: | | Didn't Okafor dominate these polls last year? We all saw how that turned out |
Yeah, he was 1st Team All Rookie. I am Russell over Okafor all day, every day...but Okafor had a really solid NBA rookie season on the court.
Most people consider KAT's year to be a historical type rookie year @ 18/11/2/2 on 54% FG. So Okafor @ 18/7/1/1 on 51% FG has to be considered much better than average. |
But that's where traditional stats belie impact.
KAT was much more impactful both ways.
OAK was a guy who wanted the ball on iso post ups...and that's about all he contributed. |
Not true! He contributed his fists into Boston Celtic fan faces.
As a Laker fan, I value that contribution.
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Seeing Oak up close in Philly really showed a lot. The TV cameras don't cover him when he slowly jogs up the court on transitions, takes his sweet time get set on transition when the 76ers are setting up the half court.
He has tremendous low post scoring skills, but absolutely no motor. I think it's hard, nearly impossible to teach "motor." It's an innate trait IMO.
He will always have a beautiful low post game, and will be a 20 ppg scorer. However, I can also see him becoming a niche role player ala Enes Kanter where he will be a guy off the bench to punish 2nd units.
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| I think Buddy has a higher IQ Bball wise..... Im hoping not because I want Davis to leave the pelicans or demand a trade |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:23 am Post subject: |
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Pretty sure this is a popularity contest. Can't imagine Kobe winning something like this. Rookie orientation measures fun, a little talent, and "win friends and influence people" stuff.
Talent + character is measured over 20 years. |
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