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tox Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:21 am Post subject: |
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MJST wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | MJST wrote: | I will always say, people assume the center position is done or unneeded or miniscule for 2 reasons
1) The best center in the league is on a team going nowhere.
2) They consider back to the basket dominance and meaningless art, because the dominant back to the basket centers don't / can't play defense.
I guarantee you if Okafor played defense like Drummond he'd be seen as the soon to be heir to the throne that KAT already is being proclaimed as. |
You are ignoring the PPP element that shows that other shots are more efficient. |
Guarantee you a dominant post player that could play defense would put the kibosh on small ball teams, or at the very least slow them down in the half court set.
Cause no matter who you are, 25/12 is 27/12 be it via 3s or 2s.
If the Thunder had a healthy Marc Gasol they'd have beaten the Warriors in 5 games. Enes and Kanter gave the Warriors nightmares, so a dominant post up center that can play defense would be the bane of what they want to run. |
Kanter played 12 mpg against the Warriors, because he couldn't guard anyone. Maybe you meant Kanter & Adams gave the Spurs nightmares, which was true since the Spurs lacked the personnel to attack that "twin tower" lineup |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:22 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | I think KAT/Healthy ADavis will be the look of a 2 way big man going forward.
Post up threats who can't shoot, are terrible FT shooters, constantly exploited on PnRs will be consigned to a lesser role IMO. |
Yes, and there are reasons that KAT and Davis aren't pound the ball into the post players, they and their handlers learned early on that being able to shoot efficient shots made them more valuable. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:26 am Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | I think KAT/Healthy ADavis will be the look of a 2 way big man going forward.
Post up threats who can't shoot, are terrible FT shooters, constantly exploited on PnRs will be consigned to a lesser role IMO. |
Yes, and there are reasons that KAT and Davis aren't pound the ball into the post players, they and their handlers learned early on that being able to shoot efficient shots made them more valuable. |
To a different extent you can include others like Porky to the equation.
But bigs who aren't liabilities both ways are becoming unicorns in the NBA. But you have a couple of groups of guys IMO:
Scorers, but poor defenders: Boogie, Kanter, BLopez, Al Jeff, Oak
Defenders, poor offense: Biyombo
Athletic non-post up bigs, rim protectors, horrible FT, but decent offensive output: DJordan, Drummond
Unicorns: KAT, ADavis, Porky, Ibaka (somewhat). _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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22 Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:41 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | I think KAT/Healthy ADavis will be the look of a 2 way big man going forward.
Post up threats who can't shoot, are terrible FT shooters, constantly exploited on PnRs will be consigned to a lesser role IMO. |
Yes, and there are reasons that KAT and Davis aren't pound the ball into the post players, they and their handlers learned early on that being able to shoot efficient shots made them more valuable. |
To a different extent you can include others like Porky to the equation.
But bigs who aren't liabilities both ways are becoming unicorns in the NBA. But you have a couple of groups of guys IMO:
Scorers, but poor defenders: Boogie, Kanter, BLopez, Al Jeff, Oak
Defenders, poor offense: Biyombo
Athletic non-post up bigs, rim protectors, horrible FT, but decent offensive output: DJordan, Drummond
Unicorns: KAT, ADavis, Porky, Ibaka (somewhat). |
You better add Turner in that unicorn group or Imma be on your head yinomes! |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:42 am Post subject: |
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22 wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | I think KAT/Healthy ADavis will be the look of a 2 way big man going forward.
Post up threats who can't shoot, are terrible FT shooters, constantly exploited on PnRs will be consigned to a lesser role IMO. |
Yes, and there are reasons that KAT and Davis aren't pound the ball into the post players, they and their handlers learned early on that being able to shoot efficient shots made them more valuable. |
To a different extent you can include others like Porky to the equation.
But bigs who aren't liabilities both ways are becoming unicorns in the NBA. But you have a couple of groups of guys IMO:
Scorers, but poor defenders: Boogie, Kanter, BLopez, Al Jeff, Oak
Defenders, poor offense: Biyombo
Athletic non-post up bigs, rim protectors, horrible FT, but decent offensive output: DJordan, Drummond
Unicorns: KAT, ADavis, Porky, Ibaka (somewhat). |
You better add Turner in that unicorn group or Imma be on your head yinomes! |
True. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:58 am Post subject: |
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greenfrog Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:58 am Post subject: |
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Drummond posts up quite a bit actually. |
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dcarter4kobe Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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It will be interesting to
1. See how many minutes per game Luke plays Mozgov (I'm predicting 23-24)
2. Will Mozgov return to his 2015 form
Another note, I do think Mozgov has a good enough post game to take advantage of teams when they go small on offense. It surprised to see his post stats so low. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though." |
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Lakers_Jester Star Player
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | 22 wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | I think KAT/Healthy ADavis will be the look of a 2 way big man going forward.
Post up threats who can't shoot, are terrible FT shooters, constantly exploited on PnRs will be consigned to a lesser role IMO. |
Yes, and there are reasons that KAT and Davis aren't pound the ball into the post players, they and their handlers learned early on that being able to shoot efficient shots made them more valuable. |
To a different extent you can include others like Porky to the equation.
But bigs who aren't liabilities both ways are becoming unicorns in the NBA. But you have a couple of groups of guys IMO:
Scorers, but poor defenders: Boogie, Kanter, BLopez, Al Jeff, Oak
Defenders, poor offense: Biyombo
Athletic non-post up bigs, rim protectors, horrible FT, but decent offensive output: DJordan, Drummond
Unicorns: KAT, ADavis, Porky, Ibaka (somewhat). |
You better add Turner in that unicorn group or Imma be on your head yinomes! |
True. |
Those unicorns r basically the only bigs on my radar in fantasy bball lol. Also millsap, horford, dieng, dray green |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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greenfrog wrote: | Drummond posts up quite a bit actually. | And defenses love it. He shoots 39% and generates .73 ppp on post ups. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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Inspector Gadget Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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Omar Little wrote: | greenfrog wrote: | Drummond posts up quite a bit actually. | And defenses love it. He shoots 39% and generates .73 ppp on post ups. |
That's probably why they got Boban who is one of the most efficient big man in the NBA. |
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dcarter4kobe Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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I honestly don't know why they signed Boban outside of SVG wanting him as a project. They already have Baynes, one of the better back up centers in the NBA. Detroit seems to love back up Spurs big men lol _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though." |
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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dcarter4kobe wrote: | I honestly don't know why they signed Boban outside of SVG wanting him as a project. They already have Baynes, one of the better back up centers in the NBA. Detroit seems to love back up Spurs big men lol |
Boban has a very high PER stat and I don't need to check it out to find out. and let's not act like Detroit is the only one who loves collecting C's.
We got 4 of em. |
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