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rogers49
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| Chase.button07 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | I just hope we are able to find value signings this free agency instead of overpaying for marginal players. We wont be in a position to attract the superstars (KD, Steph, Griffin, CP3, Lowry, Hayward) and it would take a major overpay to attract guys like Holiday, Hill, Gallo, Ibaka. |
hope we skip all those guys. |
Why? are we really in a great situation to skip talented players? |
everybody in the nba is a talented player. but they are mediocre. so we skip them |
If they are mediocre, what are our current players? |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| rogers49 wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | I just hope we are able to find value signings this free agency instead of overpaying for marginal players. We wont be in a position to attract the superstars (KD, Steph, Griffin, CP3, Lowry, Hayward) and it would take a major overpay to attract guys like Holiday, Hill, Gallo, Ibaka. |
hope we skip all those guys. |
2nd worst NBA team can't skip anyone.
We only have to hope someone wants to sign for the Lakers. |
those guys will want max or near max contracts....and they will get it, but from teams that consider them a final piece.....none of them are players to build around. |
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rogers49
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| Chase.button07 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Look, of course you wait for PG and Cousins of there available, I agree with you, but I think the Lakers motive is that they are gonna be in the FA game this summer so they are gonna try adding talent now even if it isn't start talent.. 4 years of losing is enough. |
The FO goal is to win championships & not sign mediocre players |
Not at all, is to win games now and fast.
One of this year worst NBA teams can't seriously plan to win championships.
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| rogers49 wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Look, of course you wait for PG and Cousins of there available, I agree with you, but I think the Lakers motive is that they are gonna be in the FA game this summer so they are gonna try adding talent now even if it isn't start talent.. 4 years of losing is enough. |
The FO goal is to win championships & not sign mediocre players |
Not at all, is to win games now and fast. |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | rogers49 wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | I just hope we are able to find value signings this free agency instead of overpaying for marginal players. We wont be in a position to attract the superstars (KD, Steph, Griffin, CP3, Lowry, Hayward) and it would take a major overpay to attract guys like Holiday, Hill, Gallo, Ibaka. |
hope we skip all those guys. |
2nd worst NBA team can't skip anyone.
We only have to hope someone wants to sign for the Lakers. |
People were acting like we were too good for DeMar DeRozan last year, man. |
I'm pretty sure that was mostly Dave, and the fact that he said Clarkson would be better than DeRozan this season should tell you all you need to know there. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | rogers49 wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Look, of course you wait for PG and Cousins of there available, I agree with you, but I think the Lakers motive is that they are gonna be in the FA game this summer so they are gonna try adding talent now even if it isn't start talent.. 4 years of losing is enough. |
The FO goal is to win championships & not sign mediocre players |
Not at all, is to win games now and fast. |
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Magic and Pelinka actually seem to think it will take them a while to rebuild based on the comments they have made. |
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| Practice wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | rogers49 wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Look, of course you wait for PG and Cousins of there available, I agree with you, but I think the Lakers motive is that they are gonna be in the FA game this summer so they are gonna try adding talent now even if it isn't start talent.. 4 years of losing is enough. |
The FO goal is to win championships & not sign mediocre players |
Not at all, is to win games now and fast. |
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Magic and Pelinka actually seem to think it will take them a while to rebuild based on the comments they have made. |
They might be making PR comments, which is what a lot of NBA FOs do when it comes to showing there plan. |
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Chase.button07
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| rogers49 wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Look, of course you wait for PG and Cousins of there available, I agree with you, but I think the Lakers motive is that they are gonna be in the FA game this summer so they are gonna try adding talent now even if it isn't start talent.. 4 years of losing is enough. |
The FO goal is to win championships & not sign mediocre players |
Not at all, is to win games now and fast.
One of this year worst NBA teams can't seriously plan to win championships. |
Everybody can. Better to wait and sign right players then sign guys like holiday/Gallo
Those guys don't move any needle. 1 of last year's, worst team had to overpay guys like mozgov/Deng.
We are in same boat this year. All we will get are contacts like mozgov/Deng. Overpaid scrubs |
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rogers49
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| Chase.button07 wrote: | | rogers49 wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Look, of course you wait for PG and Cousins of there available, I agree with you, but I think the Lakers motive is that they are gonna be in the FA game this summer so they are gonna try adding talent now even if it isn't start talent.. 4 years of losing is enough. |
The FO goal is to win championships & not sign mediocre players |
Not at all, is to win games now and fast.
One of this year worst NBA teams can't seriously plan to win championships. |
Everybody can. Better to wait and sign right players then sign guys like holiday/Gallo
Those guys don't move any needle. 1 of last year's, worst team had to overpay guys like mozgov/Deng.
We are in same boat this year. All we will get are contacts like mozgov/Deng. Overpaid scrubs |
I don't see scrubs in that list, only better players than some now on the roster. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| rogers49 wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | rogers49 wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Look, of course you wait for PG and Cousins of there available, I agree with you, but I think the Lakers motive is that they are gonna be in the FA game this summer so they are gonna try adding talent now even if it isn't start talent.. 4 years of losing is enough. |
The FO goal is to win championships & not sign mediocre players |
Not at all, is to win games now and fast.
One of this year worst NBA teams can't seriously plan to win championships. |
Everybody can. Better to wait and sign right players then sign guys like holiday/Gallo
Those guys don't move any needle. 1 of last year's, worst team had to overpay guys like mozgov/Deng.
We are in same boat this year. All we will get are contacts like mozgov/Deng. Overpaid scrubs |
I don't see scrubs in that list, only better players than some now on the roster. |
Really you want to overpay Holiday/Gallo? |
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Chase.button07
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| rogers49 wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | rogers49 wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Look, of course you wait for PG and Cousins of there available, I agree with you, but I think the Lakers motive is that they are gonna be in the FA game this summer so they are gonna try adding talent now even if it isn't start talent.. 4 years of losing is enough. |
The FO goal is to win championships & not sign mediocre players |
Not at all, is to win games now and fast.
One of this year worst NBA teams can't seriously plan to win championships. |
Everybody can. Better to wait and sign right players then sign guys like holiday/Gallo
Those guys don't move any needle. 1 of last year's, worst team had to overpay guys like mozgov/Deng.
We are in same boat this year. All we will get are contacts like mozgov/Deng. Overpaid scrubs |
I don't see scrubs in that list, only better players than some now on the roster. |
Gallo/holiday: injury prone
Ibaka wants max and is declining rapidly
G hill:31/32 and plays same position as DLO or the player we might draft.
So again no thanks |
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Let's just tank again. 
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| Chase.button07 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | I just hope we are able to find value signings this free agency instead of overpaying for marginal players. We wont be in a position to attract the superstars (KD, Steph, Griffin, CP3, Lowry, Hayward) and it would take a major overpay to attract guys like Holiday, Hill, Gallo, Ibaka. |
hope we skip all those guys. |
Why? are we really in a great situation to skip talented players? |
everybody in the nba is a talented player. but they are mediocre. so we skip them |
So who do you add then? |
wait till 2018. Cousins, PG13 |
Yep I agree.
I hate to say we need to punt but given the unlikelihood of adding great young talent (like Hayward/Blake/Noel/KCP, I hope the FO shows some patience. Of course I would try, I just don't forsee us having success with the top tier guys.
If we can move Randle and Clarkson off the roster, and at least one of Moz/Deng (hopefully both), while keeping the core of (DLO/BI/Zub/Top 3), plus role players (Nance/Hou pick/moderate priced FA role players), we could possibly be ready to swing for the fences in 2018, and nab 2 of Westbrook/George/Cousins, to add to our improving young core.
Of course I listen to all offers for any of our players in trades, no one is untouchable to me.
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Chase.button07
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Let's just tank again. |
In short term and long term, where does it takes us? Signing players like Gallo/G hill/ibaka/holiday? |
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| Robster8989 wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | I just hope we are able to find value signings this free agency instead of overpaying for marginal players. We wont be in a position to attract the superstars (KD, Steph, Griffin, CP3, Lowry, Hayward) and it would take a major overpay to attract guys like Holiday, Hill, Gallo, Ibaka. |
hope we skip all those guys. |
Why? are we really in a great situation to skip talented players? |
everybody in the nba is a talented player. but they are mediocre. so we skip them |
So who do you add then? |
wait till 2018. Cousins, PG13 |
Yep I agree.
I hate to say we need to punt but given the unlikelihood of adding great young talent (like Hayward/Blake/Noel/KCP, I hope the FO shows some patience. Of course I would try, I just don't forsee us having success with the top tier guys.
If we can move Randle and Clarkson off the roster, and at least one of Moz/Deng (hopefully both), while keeping the core of (DLO/BI/Zub/Top 3), plus role players (Nance/Hou pick/moderate priced FA role players), we could possibly be ready to swing for the fences in 2018, and nab 2 of Westbrook/George/Cousins, to add to our improving young core.
Of course I listen to all offers for any of our players in trades, no one is untouchable to me. |
The Lakers aren't gonna punt cap space, there gonna try adding talent and you don't need to be a star to have talent. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Let's just tank again. |
Reasons getting a top three selection this year are important:
3: the 2019 pick to Orlando turns into two 2nd rounders
2: we get a great 2017 pick
1: there is not incentive to tank 2018 b/c the pick is unprotected.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Let's just tank again. |
Yeah let's be the 76ers because they are going to win a championship  |
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| Chase.button07 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Let's just tank again. |
In short term and long term, where does it takes us? Signing players like Gallo/G hill/ibaka/holiday? |
Add ibaka to pg13 (assume an Ingram/Jc trade) and draft ball?
Ball
Dlo
Pg13
Jules
Ibaka
Much more competitive than another team with 19-22 year old starters. Fight for the playoffs and build off foundation (just took ibaka as an example).
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Laker's Fan wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Let's just tank again. |
Reasons getting a top three selection this year are important:
3: the 2019 pick to Orlando turns into two 2nd rounders
2: we get a great 2017 pick
1: there is not incentive to tank 2018 b/c the pick is unprotected. |
I hope so. I'm tank fatigued.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Let's just tank again. |
In short term and long term, where does it takes us? Signing players like Gallo/G hill/ibaka/holiday? |
Add ibaka to pg13 (assume an Ingram/Jc trade) and draft ball?
Ball
Dlo
Pg13
Jules
Ibaka
Much more competitive than another team with 19-22 year old starters. Fight for the playoffs and build off foundation (just took ibaka as an example). |
If we going to parlay something like that I am totally fine. But in isolation I don't want the 4 players. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Let's just tank again. |
In short term and long term, where does it takes us? Signing players like Gallo/G hill/ibaka/holiday? |
Add ibaka to pg13 (assume an Ingram/Jc trade) and draft ball?
Ball
Dlo
Pg13
Jules
Ibaka
Much more competitive than another team with 19-22 year old starters. Fight for the playoffs and build off foundation (just took ibaka as an example). |
That was my point, missing the playoffs for a 4th straight year, calls for changes. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Chase.button07 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Let's just tank again. |
In short term and long term, where does it takes us? Signing players like Gallo/G hill/ibaka/holiday? |
Add ibaka to pg13 (assume an Ingram/Jc trade) and draft ball?
Ball
Dlo
Pg13
Jules
Ibaka
Much more competitive than another team with 19-22 year old starters. Fight for the playoffs and build off foundation (just took ibaka as an example). |
If we going to parlay something like that I am totally fine. But in isolation I don't want the 4 players. |
I don't think the new FO is going to patiently rebuild. They will move some of the young assets imo. Just hope we get a good deal. I don't think they want a 5th consecutive missed playoff.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Tony Anapolis wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Let's just tank again. |
Yeah let's be the 76ers because they are going to win a championship |
In the year of After and in the month of Never. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Let's just tank again. |
In short term and long term, where does it takes us? Signing players like Gallo/G hill/ibaka/holiday? |
Add ibaka to pg13 (assume an Ingram/Jc trade) and draft ball?
Ball
Dlo
Pg13
Jules
Ibaka
Much more competitive than another team with 19-22 year old starters. Fight for the playoffs and build off foundation (just took ibaka as an example). |
If we going to parlay something like that I am totally fine. But in isolation I don't want the 4 players. |
I don't think the new FO is going to patiently rebuild. They will move some of the young assets imo. Just hope we get a good deal. I don't think they want a 5th consecutive missed playoff. |
My gut tells they will make moves this summer to shed salary in JC and potentially Randle. They will also look to trade Mozgov and will trade picks and JC with him to clear cap room. That will set the table for getting not one but potentially two free agents in summer of 18. |
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rogers49
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Let's just tank again. |
In short term and long term, where does it takes us? Signing players like Gallo/G hill/ibaka/holiday? |
Add ibaka to pg13 (assume an Ingram/Jc trade) and draft ball?
Ball
Dlo
Pg13
Jules
Ibaka
Much more competitive than another team with 19-22 year old starters. Fight for the playoffs and build off foundation (just took ibaka as an example). |
Gallo is exactly what we need.
A big tall SF with 3P range that can attack the rim and shoots FTs at more than 90% clip.
Very good defender and can play PF too.
Only 28 y.o. |
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