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Dr. Funkbot
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Do people really think Griffin isnt worth the investment? I guess we are the Lakers and we only sign Hall of famers. |
When you are going to have to pay that much money for a player, he better but a hall of famer.
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dcarter4kobe
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| tox wrote: | | BobbyB wrote: | | tox wrote: | I want a backup 1 who can actually run an offense. None of this early offense garbage that Clarkson and Lou thrived in all season. It's a fundamentally flawed strategy to have the starters and bench running two different systems, and it's why our team died in December when injuries hit.
He doesn't need to be a world beater, but ideally decent shooting, orchestrating the offense, and passable defense would be in the cards. And for cheap. Any undervalued guy in 2017 that fits the bill? @dcarter, this is your time to shine |
Patty Mills?
28, currently enjoying his best season.
Great 3 pt shooter, can play PG, Effort is there every night.
The problem is probably have to overpay. I'm thinking something like 4 yrs 48mill |
Yeah, Patty is a great choice, except he'll be pricier than what I wanted. With Clarkson and Randle on the books, that'd eat way too much into 2018 cap space, which I want to keep open. If we had traded those two (e.g. for PG, although that'd never happen  ) then I'd be all aboard.
My ideal guy would be more of a Seth Curry type of player -- dcarter advocated for him and I wanted him as well last year (though I wasn't nearly as vocal about it  ) |
I havent really been able to spot any steals yet like I have in past free agencys (Biyombo in 2015/Curry in 2016). I think some vet names might go for good value but they really arent good fits like Tyreke Evans. MCW might be an interesting name to look at, but he seems like a low bball IQ player. Not what we need. This class really is weak. Shelvin Mack might fit best at what you're looking for.
Give me 2 vets like Andre Iguodala (Livingston/Thabo) and Amir Johnson (Taj Gibson) on large 1 year deals and I'm good. Assuming no trade for PG13
Zu/Amir/*Black/Moz
Randle/Nance
Ingram/Deng
DLO/Iggy
Ball,Fultz/JC
*Possibly start Deng over Randle.
Looking at that, I would probably just prefer two wings on 1 year deals, one being an above average 3 point threat (Korver, Nick). Use the Room exception (4.3M) for a back up vet PG.
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Chase.button07
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Dr. Funkbot wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Do people really think Griffin isnt worth the investment? I guess we are the Lakers and we only sign Hall of famers. |
When you are going to have to pay that much money for a player, he better but a hall of famer. |
batum is getting paid max. |
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| saetarubia wrote: | Ding: "People around the league" believe Blake Griffin would be open to signing with the Lakers.
https://t.co/ONbcqb3pxj |
Read: People "around the league" believe Blake Griffin would be open to using Lakers as leverage against the Clippers pushing for sub-max in the interest of team-building. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Chase.button07 wrote: | | Dr. Funkbot wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Do people really think Griffin isnt worth the investment? I guess we are the Lakers and we only sign Hall of famers. |
When you are going to have to pay that much money for a player, he better but a hall of famer. |
batum is getting paid max. |
Just because Batum is getting max doesn't mean we pay players like that max.
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| Vancouver Fan wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | Dr. Funkbot wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Do people really think Griffin isnt worth the investment? I guess we are the Lakers and we only sign Hall of famers. |
When you are going to have to pay that much money for a player, he better but a hall of famer. |
batum is getting paid max. |
Just because Batum is getting max doesn't mean we pay players like that max. |
And batum was the result of a historic cap spike. Next year we go from 94 to 102m.
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Chase.button07
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Vancouver Fan wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | Dr. Funkbot wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Do people really think Griffin isnt worth the investment? I guess we are the Lakers and we only sign Hall of famers. |
When you are going to have to pay that much money for a player, he better but a hall of famer. |
batum is getting paid max. |
Just because Batum is getting max doesn't mean we pay players like that max. |
Na we just pay over the hill scrubs their retirement fund |
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Chase.button07
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Vancouver Fan wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | Dr. Funkbot wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Do people really think Griffin isnt worth the investment? I guess we are the Lakers and we only sign Hall of famers. |
When you are going to have to pay that much money for a player, he better but a hall of famer. |
batum is getting paid max. |
Just because Batum is getting max doesn't mean we pay players like that max. |
And batum was the result of a historic cap spike. Next year we go from 94 to 102m. |
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| Chase.button07 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Vancouver Fan wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | Dr. Funkbot wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Do people really think Griffin isnt worth the investment? I guess we are the Lakers and we only sign Hall of famers. |
When you are going to have to pay that much money for a player, he better but a hall of famer. |
batum is getting paid max. |
Just because Batum is getting max doesn't mean we pay players like that max. |
And batum was the result of a historic cap spike. Next year we go from 94 to 102m. |
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Cap from 70m to 94m. Everyone got paid. Including Moz/Deng.
Not as much of an issue as less max cap space teams next season and less cal spike.
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Chase.button07
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Vancouver Fan wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | Dr. Funkbot wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Do people really think Griffin isnt worth the investment? I guess we are the Lakers and we only sign Hall of famers. |
When you are going to have to pay that much money for a player, he better but a hall of famer. |
batum is getting paid max. |
Just because Batum is getting max doesn't mean we pay players like that max. |
And batum was the result of a historic cap spike. Next year we go from 94 to 102m. |
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Cap from 70m to 94m. Everyone got paid. Including Moz/Deng.
Not as much of an issue as less max cap space teams next season and less cal spike. |
What I was saying is you don't have to be a hall of Famer to get max. Supply/demand will get lesser players max |
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Shaolin's Finest
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Dr. Funkbot wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Do people really think Griffin isnt worth the investment? I guess we are the Lakers and we only sign Hall of famers. |
When you are going to have to pay that much money for a player, he better but a hall of famer. |
I don't disagree with you, but we're in no position to be picky. 2nd worst team in the league 2 seasons in a row. You just don't pass up a Griffin like talent if you get the opportunity. And I'm not even a Blake Griffin fan. |
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| Shaolin's Finest wrote: | | Dr. Funkbot wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Do people really think Griffin isnt worth the investment? I guess we are the Lakers and we only sign Hall of famers. |
When you are going to have to pay that much money for a player, he better but a hall of famer. |
I don't disagree with you, but we're in no position to be picky. 2nd worst team in the league 2 seasons in a row. You just don't pass up a Griffin like talent if you get the opportunity. And I'm not even a Blake Griffin fan. |
I agree, people need to look at our past 4 seasons and let that sink. |
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Chase.button07
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Shaolin's Finest wrote: | | Dr. Funkbot wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Do people really think Griffin isnt worth the investment? I guess we are the Lakers and we only sign Hall of famers. |
When you are going to have to pay that much money for a player, he better but a hall of famer. |
I don't disagree with you, but we're in no position to be picky. 2nd worst team in the league 2 seasons in a row. You just don't pass up a Griffin like talent if you get the opportunity. And I'm not even a Blake Griffin fan. |
I agree, people need to look at our past 4 seasons and let that sink. |
that of was just fired. new beginning now with new clock |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd sign griffin, then package him with deng and mozgov a few months later to clear those bad contracts. |
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| HOF Rookie wrote: | | I'd sign griffin, then package him with deng and mozgov a few months later to clear those bad contracts. |
Would be better of trying to package Clarkson, Randle, a pick to do that. I don't know of any team who will want to eat 50 million? |
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Chase.button07
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| Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:47 am Post subject: |
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If we keep the top 3 pick and get an so star in return we could be in playoffs next yr.
2 trades that's I like:
Top 3/Houston pick/Deng for PG13/Glen Robinson
Randle/mozgov/2 2nd for Henson/Middleton. Add filters
Zu
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tnell
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| Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:50 am Post subject: |
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| Chase.button07 wrote: | If we keep the top 3 pick and get an so star in return we could be in playoffs next yr.
2 trades that's I like:
Top 3/Houston pick/Deng for PG13/Glen Robinson
Randle/mozgov/2 2nd for Henson/Middleton. Add filters
Zu
Middleton
PG13
Ingram
DLO
Bench: Clarkson, Nance, Henson |
Milwaukee isn't trading Middleton for Randle and Mozgov my man |
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Chase.button07
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| Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:16 am Post subject: |
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| tnell wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | If we keep the top 3 pick and get an so star in return we could be in playoffs next yr.
2 trades that's I like:
Top 3/Houston pick/Deng for PG13/Glen Robinson
Randle/mozgov/2 2nd for Henson/Middleton. Add filters
Zu
Middleton
PG13
Ingram
DLO
Bench: Clarkson, Nance, Henson |
Milwaukee isn't trading Middleton for Randle and Mozgov my man |
read somewhere during the trade deadline they are trying to get rid of his salary |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:48 am Post subject: |
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| Shaolin's Finest wrote: | | Dr. Funkbot wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Do people really think Griffin isnt worth the investment? I guess we are the Lakers and we only sign Hall of famers. |
When you are going to have to pay that much money for a player, he better but a hall of famer. |
I don't disagree with you, but we're in no position to be picky. 2nd worst team in the league 2 seasons in a row. You just don't pass up a Griffin like talent if you get the opportunity. And I'm not even a Blake Griffin fan. |
sounds reasonable |
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crucifixion
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| Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:58 am Post subject: |
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| Chase.button07 wrote: | If we keep the top 3 pick and get an so star in return we could be in playoffs next yr.
2 trades that's I like:
Top 3/Houston pick/Deng for PG13/Glen Robinson
Randle/mozgov/2 2nd for Henson/Middleton. Add filters
Zu
Middleton
PG13
Ingram
DLO
Bench: Clarkson, Nance, Henson |
Neither of those trades are realistic and are one sided. Post those on realgm and see what happens
But I'm in the same boat as far as signing Blake and trading the kids and see playoffs next year.
Realistic trades:
Houston pick/Clarkson/Moz for Brook Lopez
Julius/future 2nds/Deng for Melo
Sign Blake
Front court now set. Ingram backs up Melo next year and takes over the next year when Melo opts out
Or they can turn it up more and trade some combo of Top3/Dlo/Ingram for PG or Butler. |
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BobbyB
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| Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:09 am Post subject: |
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I can handle fans wanting Griffin, even though I don't think its a good move.
But to keep suggesting Carmelo Anthony as a target makes me wonder how much you guys are watching games vs just looking at stats.
I'm not gonna even get into how bad Carmelo has been this season.
To many people obsessed with names and not concerned with actual on court impact.
We need to build a real team. Not just throw a bunch of names everyone knows together. |
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Chase.button07
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| Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:12 am Post subject: |
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| crucifixion wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | If we keep the top 3 pick and get an so star in return we could be in playoffs next yr.
2 trades that's I like:
Top 3/Houston pick/Deng for PG13/Glen Robinson
Randle/mozgov/2 2nd for Henson/Middleton. Add filters
Zu
Middleton
PG13
Ingram
DLO
Bench: Clarkson, Nance, Henson |
Neither of those trades are realistic and are one sided. Post those on realgm and see what happens
But I'm in the same boat as far as signing Blake and trading the kids and see playoffs next year.
Realistic trades:
Houston pick/Clarkson/Moz for Brook Lopez
Julius/future 2nds/Deng for Melo
Sign Blake
Front court now set. Ingram backs up Melo next year and takes over the next year when Melo opts out
Or they can turn it up more and trade some combo of Top3/Dlo/Ingram for PG or Butler. |
i am ok with you saying my trades are unrealistic but then you proceed to get a guy that is just terrible and would cost us 30million dollars next yr and we lose young pieces
just NO THANKS to Melo |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:14 am Post subject: |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | saetarubia wrote: | Ding: "People around the league" believe Blake Griffin would be open to signing with the Lakers.
https://t.co/ONbcqb3pxj |
Read: People "around the league" believe Blake Griffin would be open to using Lakers as leverage against the Clippers pushing for sub-max in the interest of team-building. |
Unless Blake/Paul sign in the teens, they're still going to be pretty much capped out.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:18 am Post subject: |
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| BobbyB wrote: | I can handle fans wanting Griffin, even though I don't think its a good move.
But to keep suggesting Carmelo Anthony as a target makes me wonder how much you guys are watching games vs just looking at stats.
I'm not gonna even get into how bad Carmelo has been this season.
To many people obsessed with names and not concerned with actual on court impact.
We need to build a real team. Not just throw a bunch of names everyone knows together. |
Mitch and Jim being obsessed with names is exactly what got us into this hell hole.
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BobbyB
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PLayers I think the lakers should be targeting via FA. Depending on price.
1. Tim Hardaway Jr.
2. Niko Mirotic
3. Patty Mills
4. Shabazz
5. Sergio
A lot of this depends on whether we get the pick..and if we decide to make trades.
But I like all these guys as "team" players.
They are not household names but IMO are complimentary players on a championship level team. |
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