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nash
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| pmacla wrote: | | I wonder if Kerr retires what effect that will have on GS free agents and theur decision to play for Mike Clown |
I would feel sorry for Luke if Kerr retires. |
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| nash wrote: | | pmacla wrote: | | I wonder if Kerr retires what effect that will have on GS free agents and theur decision to play for Mike Clown |
I would feel sorry for Luke if Kerr retires. |
I would feel sorry for Kerr if Kerr retires. |
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its real possibility that Kerr retires soon.
thats an important domino to fall for the warriors. I wonder how Steph and KD look at it when they are free agents this summer |
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| nash wrote: | | pmacla wrote: | | I wonder if Kerr retires what effect that will have on GS free agents and theur decision to play for Mike Clown |
I would feel sorry for Luke if Kerr retires. |
As hellacious as this year was, and as stacked as that roster is, the Lakers were his dream job and I still think he'd take the opportunity to turn it around over here to anything else.
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| Chase.button07 wrote: | its real possibility that Kerr retires soon.
thats an important domino to fall for the warriors. I wonder how Steph and KD look at it when they are free agents this summer |
Their system is essentially in place. We already saw what Luke did with that team by not changing the system.
They're essentially set in their ways. Would suck if Kerr had to retire from injuries though.
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| justsomelakerfan wrote: | | nash wrote: | | pmacla wrote: | | I wonder if Kerr retires what effect that will have on GS free agents and theur decision to play for Mike Clown |
I would feel sorry for Luke if Kerr retires. |
As hellacious as this year was, and as stacked as that roster is, the Lakers were his dream job and I still think he'd take the opportunity to turn it around over here to anything else. |
no way. He'd grab a couple easy rings in GS to bolster his coaching resume (and salary), then eventually come to LA later in his career. He's still extremely young. |
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| BobbyB wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | BobbyB wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | BobbyB wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Look I know you have a vested interest in tooting Moz, but you're losing some objectivity here. You've asked a bunch of posters about who they'd have instead of Moz and we gave you answers. But you have a vested interest in "being right" about Moz so you won't relent. |
Ill be very clear again...
I don't mind getting rid of Mozgov in the right deal....But no one has answered my question...
who is going to start and play 82 games against Gobert, Towns, Cousins, Deandre, Noel....
If you think Zubac can do it fine. Trade Moz....
You cant just get rid of a center who has proven he can matchup against the best centers in the NBA and hold his own.
Zubac got absolutely destroyed when they put him against Cousins...it was like a kid in the park Cousins was just laughing...
Who is a realistic "placeholder" available that you can trust to start?
If you got someone then by all means get rid of Mozgov.
you also have to remember. This may not be the most popular place for Centers to come...knowing Luke likes to play small a majority of the time as well. |
We are not exactly a playoff team so I rather want to see Zu develop and learn from his mistakes and take the Ls than see Moz getting half of the playing time. Moz has no impact offensively and even though he is better than Zu in the defensive end, his defensive impact does not make any difference. |
For sure if your argument is ok with you losing games and taking L's that's fine.
This is false. his impact offensively, is being able to set great screens, roll and finish at the rim. Which in turn creates a lot of room for the ball handler and shooters.
You are looking at offense through a limited lens (ppg)....Bigs that set good screens create a lot of easy oppurtunies for the team as a whole. |
No im talking about creating his own shots and making plays. He relies on others to get his offense. Tariq can set hard screens and roll and finish at the rim at much lower cost. Zu can learn all of that and has that Moz midrange to boot and you can pass him the ball in the low post and he can make things happen. |
1. Tarik is good at that as well you are right. but doesn't have the height and size denfensively to matchup against bigger centers.
2. and yes Zu can learn all that but Mozgov already knows how to do it. So until he learns why get rid of MOz? |
Because he's a big hindrance for our youth movement. I don't see an upside on playing him. Even if he was better defensively, he ain't exactly putting us to playoff. Let me put it his way, if Lou Williams still with us and continues to play like he was, is our team any better. We might have gotten to 30 plus wins but what good does it to to our long term if Ingram and Dlo become spectators in the last quarter. |
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| dao wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | nash wrote: | | pmacla wrote: | | I wonder if Kerr retires what effect that will have on GS free agents and theur decision to play for Mike Clown |
I would feel sorry for Luke if Kerr retires. |
As hellacious as this year was, and as stacked as that roster is, the Lakers were his dream job and I still think he'd take the opportunity to turn it around over here to anything else. |
no way. He'd grab a couple easy rings in GS to bolster his coaching resume (and salary), then eventually come to LA later in his career. He's still extremely young. |
Yeah... True lol
I think he'd make his way here one way or another
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If I'm the Lakers, the most I'm dealing for Paul George is Randle, Clarkson, #28, and Indiana has to take Luol Deng as well. The only way I'm adding more is if Boston comes with a stronger offer. I don't think any team other than the Celtics could (or would try) to beat Randle+Clarkson+#28. George's being a FA at the end of next year will naturally scare some teams off, as they'll be unconfident that he'd want to re-sign with them long term.
Russell, George, Ingram, Nance and Zubac would put us in a good position to bring in Blake. The thing is that there is no way that deal above should be made until Griffin commits to signing... Additionally, there's the downside that it puts Russell as the point guard, and the end of the season showed (at least to me) that he is more of a natural shooting guard.
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| CRoost wrote: | | BobbyB wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | BobbyB wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | BobbyB wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Look I know you have a vested interest in tooting Moz, but you're losing some objectivity here. You've asked a bunch of posters about who they'd have instead of Moz and we gave you answers. But you have a vested interest in "being right" about Moz so you won't relent. |
Ill be very clear again...
I don't mind getting rid of Mozgov in the right deal....But no one has answered my question...
who is going to start and play 82 games against Gobert, Towns, Cousins, Deandre, Noel....
If you think Zubac can do it fine. Trade Moz....
You cant just get rid of a center who has proven he can matchup against the best centers in the NBA and hold his own.
Zubac got absolutely destroyed when they put him against Cousins...it was like a kid in the park Cousins was just laughing...
Who is a realistic "placeholder" available that you can trust to start?
If you got someone then by all means get rid of Mozgov.
you also have to remember. This may not be the most popular place for Centers to come...knowing Luke likes to play small a majority of the time as well. |
We are not exactly a playoff team so I rather want to see Zu develop and learn from his mistakes and take the Ls than see Moz getting half of the playing time. Moz has no impact offensively and even though he is better than Zu in the defensive end, his defensive impact does not make any difference. |
For sure if your argument is ok with you losing games and taking L's that's fine.
This is false. his impact offensively, is being able to set great screens, roll and finish at the rim. Which in turn creates a lot of room for the ball handler and shooters.
You are looking at offense through a limited lens (ppg)....Bigs that set good screens create a lot of easy oppurtunies for the team as a whole. |
No im talking about creating his own shots and making plays. He relies on others to get his offense. Tariq can set hard screens and roll and finish at the rim at much lower cost. Zu can learn all of that and has that Moz midrange to boot and you can pass him the ball in the low post and he can make things happen. |
1. Tarik is good at that as well you are right. but doesn't have the height and size denfensively to matchup against bigger centers.
2. and yes Zu can learn all that but Mozgov already knows how to do it. So until he learns why get rid of MOz? |
Because he's a big hindrance for our youth movement. I don't see an upside on playing him. Even if he was better defensively, he ain't exactly putting us to playoff. Let me put it his way, if Lou Williams still with us and continues to play like he was, is our team any better. We might have gotten to 30 plus wins but what good does it to to our long term if Ingram and Dlo become spectators in the last quarter. |
For sure I just think the lakers are trying to be somewhat competitive next season. If not unleash the ZU!! |
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Chase.button07
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| MJST wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | its real possibility that Kerr retires soon.
thats an important domino to fall for the warriors. I wonder how Steph and KD look at it when they are free agents this summer |
Their system is essentially in place. We already saw what Luke did with that team by not changing the system.
They're essentially set in their ways. Would suck if Kerr had to retire from injuries though. |
thats the thing isn't it. if they hire a big time coach he will want his own system
if they hire a rookie coach then he will have to manage the X&O's part.
so its not given |
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BobbyB
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| Chase.button07 wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | its real possibility that Kerr retires soon.
thats an important domino to fall for the warriors. I wonder how Steph and KD look at it when they are free agents this summer |
Their system is essentially in place. We already saw what Luke did with that team by not changing the system.
They're essentially set in their ways. Would suck if Kerr had to retire from injuries though. |
thats the thing isn't it. if they hire a big time coach he will want his own system
if they hire a rookie coach then he will have to manage the X&O's part.
so its not given |
I'm sure they would just keep Mike Brown or promote another assistant..
TBH they probably just ask the team how they feel? |
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| BobbyB wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | BobbyB wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | BobbyB wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | BobbyB wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Look I know you have a vested interest in tooting Moz, but you're losing some objectivity here. You've asked a bunch of posters about who they'd have instead of Moz and we gave you answers. But you have a vested interest in "being right" about Moz so you won't relent. |
Ill be very clear again...
I don't mind getting rid of Mozgov in the right deal....But no one has answered my question...
who is going to start and play 82 games against Gobert, Towns, Cousins, Deandre, Noel....
If you think Zubac can do it fine. Trade Moz....
You cant just get rid of a center who has proven he can matchup against the best centers in the NBA and hold his own.
Zubac got absolutely destroyed when they put him against Cousins...it was like a kid in the park Cousins was just laughing...
Who is a realistic "placeholder" available that you can trust to start?
If you got someone then by all means get rid of Mozgov.
you also have to remember. This may not be the most popular place for Centers to come...knowing Luke likes to play small a majority of the time as well. |
We are not exactly a playoff team so I rather want to see Zu develop and learn from his mistakes and take the Ls than see Moz getting half of the playing time. Moz has no impact offensively and even though he is better than Zu in the defensive end, his defensive impact does not make any difference. |
For sure if your argument is ok with you losing games and taking L's that's fine.
This is false. his impact offensively, is being able to set great screens, roll and finish at the rim. Which in turn creates a lot of room for the ball handler and shooters.
You are looking at offense through a limited lens (ppg)....Bigs that set good screens create a lot of easy oppurtunies for the team as a whole. |
No im talking about creating his own shots and making plays. He relies on others to get his offense. Tariq can set hard screens and roll and finish at the rim at much lower cost. Zu can learn all of that and has that Moz midrange to boot and you can pass him the ball in the low post and he can make things happen. |
1. Tarik is good at that as well you are right. but doesn't have the height and size denfensively to matchup against bigger centers.
2. and yes Zu can learn all that but Mozgov already knows how to do it. So until he learns why get rid of MOz? |
Because he's a big hindrance for our youth movement. I don't see an upside on playing him. Even if he was better defensively, he ain't exactly putting us to playoff. Let me put it his way, if Lou Williams still with us and continues to play like he was, is our team any better. We might have gotten to 30 plus wins but what good does it to to our long term if Ingram and Dlo become spectators in the last quarter. |
For sure I just think the lakers are trying to be somewhat competitive next season. If not unleash the ZU!! |
Magic will try his dear best to get a player here but I think the best decision for our long term is staying put and keeping Ingram, DLo, Zu and that top 3 pick.
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If the warriors need a coach, I heard byron scott is available
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| nash wrote: | | pmacla wrote: | | I wonder if Kerr retires what effect that will have on GS free agents and theur decision to play for Mike Clown |
I would feel sorry for Luke if Kerr retires. |
Yeah poor guy with his 25 million. pure idiocy. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Bard207 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Bard207 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | I would shop JC around with Deng/Moz (though I realize that's a LOT of combined salary). JC/Moz/28th for Brook Lopez?
For JC's 12.5m/year, you could probably get Ian Clark AND Justin Holiday. Two system players from the Warriors squad. |
Brooklyn has multiple guys on bargain contracts (except Lin) to cover minutes at the PG and SG spots. They might not have a huge need for Clarkson since his defense is among the poorest in the group.
......................Salary.................Three Pointers (with Nets).......DefRating
Lin...............$12,000,000..............37.2%..................................110
Harris.............$1,524,305 (Ung).....38.5%..................................113
Whitehead.......$1,122,248.............29.5%..................................113
Goodwin..........$1,577,230 (Ung)....30.8%..................................113
McDaniels.........$3,333,334 (TO).....28.2%..................................109
Kilpatrick..........$1,524,305.............34.1%..................................112
Dimwiddie.........$1,524,305.............37.6%..................................112
Clarkson.........$11,562,500.............32.9%..................................114
It wouldn't be a surprise to me if the Lakers eventually shopped in the Brooklyn discard pile since those players are used to pace, ball movement and three point shooting. |
They offered ridiculous deals to Allen Crabbe/Tyler Johnson. I would say JC is a cheaper alternative to them, and would do well on the Nets with Lin. I could see the Lin/JC backcourt being a good marketing sell in Brooklyn. |
They weren't having to also take on Mozgov or Deng when they offered to Crabbe and Johnson last summer.
2 Euro stars emerge as targets of Nets’ international offseason (April 12)
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Brooklyn’s interest in Teodosic is well-known. The 30-year-old point guard was voted the best international player outside the NBA by league general managers earlier this year, leading Serbia to a silver medal in Rio and CSKA Moscow — Nets owner Mikhail Prokhorov’s old team — to a Euroleague title.
Teodosic’s passing has brought comparisons to former Nets great Jason Kidd.
Marks scouted Teodosic on March 22 in Moscow. Israeli writer David Pick tweeted out pictures of the Nets GM and team chairman Dmitry Razumov watching the game with CSKA president Andrei Vatutin. Teodosic had 20 points and 10 assists, and Pick tweeted Wednesday that Marks is going back to watch him again, presumably in the Euroleague playoffs, which start Tuesday.
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Gotcha. My one suggestion at the deadline was JC for RHJ, which would be a good salary dump for the Lakers. I think Nets are looking for combo guards like JC to be honest. |
No, but they weren't getting a free 1st round draft pick out of that, either. That would be a major incentive for the Nets IMO. This is a really deep draft, and the Nets will not have their 2018 1st rounder. (It goes to Boston; not even a pick swap, like this year.) Clarkson is cheaper than a guy like Crabbe, as mentioned, and they would get a 1st round draft pick out of it. It would actually give them 3 picks in the 20's in this draft. Taking on Moz's 3 remaining years and trading the expiring Lopez is the "penalty", but is JC and the #28 enough of a reward? I think it might be. At least Moz is healthy and can actually play center (as opposed to a damaged goods center like Noah), and because free agents aren't flocking there, it's not like Moz's salary is going to prevent the Nets from signing someone they really want in free agency.
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| Big Shot Bob wrote: | If I'm the Lakers, the most I'm dealing for Paul George is Randle, Clarkson, #28, and Indiana has to take Luol Deng as well. The only way I'm adding more is if Boston comes with a stronger offer. I don't think any team other than the Celtics could (or would try) to beat Randle+Clarkson+#28. George's being a FA at the end of next year will naturally scare some teams off, as they'll be unconfident that he'd want to re-sign with them long term.
Russell, George, Ingram, Nance and Zubac would put us in a good position to bring in Blake. The thing is that there is no way that deal above should be made until Griffin commits to signing... Additionally, there's the downside that it puts Russell as the point guard, and the end of the season showed (at least to me) that he is more of a natural shooting guard. |
And if I'm Indiana I politely hang up on my buddy Magic. Randle & Clarkson haven't proven a damn thing to me if I'm Indiana. Heck, they haven't even tasted the playoffs yet, and you want me to accept a third year forward who doesn't have a jumper, a guard who has good, but not great skills, and the 28th pick, who will more than likely be, at best, a role player?
And your receiving an all star, who has great skills, and can be a great co-leader with another star on a championship team?
If I'm Indiana I might consider this revised proposal:
1. You've got to have secured a top three pick for us to talk.
2. If you do not have a top three pick, be prepared for me to politely hang up the phone if your proposal doesn't start with Ingram
3. If your proposal does start with Ingram, my choice of Randle or Clarkson, and 28. I'll let you fill with Deng. |
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| Deng for Kanter works in the trade machine, if by any chance we move Mozgov, I wouldn't mind if we did that trade and looking at OKCs roster, they certainly can use a stretch 4. |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Deng for Kanter works in the trade machine, if by any chance we move Mozgov, I wouldn't mind if we did that trade and looking at OKCs roster, they certainly can use a stretch 4. |
Kanter is a contract they will try to dump without taking back salary to chase Blake or another star....they would not be looking to take on Deng. |
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| adkindo wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Deng for Kanter works in the trade machine, if by any chance we move Mozgov, I wouldn't mind if we did that trade and looking at OKCs roster, they certainly can use a stretch 4. |
Kanter is a contract they will try to dump without taking back salary to chase Blake or another star....they would not be looking to take on Deng. |
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Lakers GM Rob Pelinka says getting "a quality big, a quality 5 center,” that fits into today’s game is “definitely" something "a priority." |
so much for Mozgov being a quality center |
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| Chase.button07 wrote: | | Quote: | Serena Winters @SerenaWinters 6m6 minutes ago
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Lakers GM Rob Pelinka says getting "a quality big, a quality 5 center,” that fits into today’s game is “definitely" something "a priority." |
so much for Mozgov being a quality center |
noel? athletic, good on pick n roll offense and defense. allows us to play at a faster pace and more transitional opportunities with his defense. |
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| Golden_Emperor_24K wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | Quote: | Serena Winters @SerenaWinters 6m6 minutes ago
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Lakers GM Rob Pelinka says getting "a quality big, a quality 5 center,” that fits into today’s game is “definitely" something "a priority." |
so much for Mozgov being a quality center |
noel? athletic, good on pick n roll offense and defense. allows us to play at a faster pace and more transitional opportunities with his defense. |
He's almost certainly going to stay with Dallas. |
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