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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:21 pm    Post subject:

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Just wait on Paul George. Don't give up assets for him now. He will come in 2018.

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Getting the top 3 pick + another year of Luke's system, guys getting better, and we are in pretty good shape heading into 2018.


You forgot

Magic/Jeanie wanting to make a splash + 2017 Allstar game at Staples + George doesn't want to give up 30-40 million in guaranteed money
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Looks like Ezeli isn't going back to the blazers and he has ties to Luke.

Festus +
Crabbe

For

Mosgov
Clarkson
#28?

Make it happen Magic man!!!



Portland probably won't be interested in that trade proposal.


Why? they get 2 contributors and a possible 1st? Portland would be the 1's getting value but the motivation would be creating flexibility.



You need to raise your game because you are really struggling.

................Career 3 Pt %..........2016 - 17 Season
Crabbe.........41.1%......................44.4%
Clarkson.......33.4%......................32.9%


In summer 2018, Nurkic will need a new contract and Mozgov's salary will be an added burden.

They already have some potential luxury tax issues to consider for the 2017 - 18 season and the proposed trade would make the problem even worse.



Crabbe (18,500,000 + $19,332,500 + $18,500,000) + Ezeli ($1,000,000) = $57,332,500


Clarkson ($11,562,500 + $12,500,000 + $13,437,500) + Mozgov ($15,280,000 + $16,000,000 +$ 16,720,000) = $85,500,000


$85,500,000 - $57,332,500 = $28,167,500.00


If Portland did that trade, they would be getting an inferior player (Clarkson) and taking on over $28 million in additional salary for pick #28 when they already have three 2017 first round picks.


If I come up with a trade proposal that has the Lakers taking on worse talent and an additional $28 million in overall salary for a pick similar to #28, will you say that is a deal that Magic and Pelinka should take?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:42 pm    Post subject:

Bard207 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
Fortysixn2 wrote:
Looks like Ezeli isn't going back to the blazers and he has ties to Luke.

Festus +
Crabbe

For

Mosgov
Clarkson
#28?

Make it happen Magic man!!!



Portland probably won't be interested in that trade proposal.


Why? they get 2 contributors and a possible 1st? Portland would be the 1's getting value but the motivation would be creating flexibility.



You need to raise your game because you are really struggling.

................Career 3 Pt %..........2016 - 17 Season
Crabbe.........41.1%......................44.4%
Clarkson.......33.4%......................32.9%


In summer 2018, Nurkic will need a new contract and Mozgov's salary will be an added burden.

They already have some potential luxury tax issues to consider for the 2017 - 18 season and the proposed trade would make the problem even worse.



Crabbe (18,500,000 + $19,332,500 + $18,500,000) + Ezeli ($1,000,000) = $57,332,500


Clarkson ($11,562,500 + $12,500,000 + $13,437,500) + Mozgov ($15,280,000 + $16,000,000 +$ 16,720,000) = $85,500,000


$85,500,000 - $57,332,500 = $28,167,500.00


If Portland did that trade, they would be getting an inferior player (Clarkson) and taking on over $28 million in additional salary for pick #28 when they already have three 2017 first round picks.


If I come up with a trade proposal that has the Lakers taking on worse talent and an additional $28 million in overall salary for a pick similar to #28, will you say that is a deal that Magic and Pelinka should take?


For the record, 2.0 supports any trade as long as it's a trade.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:45 pm    Post subject:

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For the record, 2.0 supports any trade as long as it's a trade.


that is why I do not know why he wants PG-13....because he will want to trade him a week later
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For the record, 2.0 supports any trade as long as it's a trade.


that is why I do not know why he wants PG-13....because he will want to trade him a week later


That's why he wants him. It's another guy that can be traded.
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pjiddy wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
Fortysixn2 wrote:
Looks like Ezeli isn't going back to the blazers and he has ties to Luke.

Festus +
Crabbe

For

Mosgov
Clarkson
#28?

Make it happen Magic man!!!



Portland probably won't be interested in that trade proposal.


Why? they get 2 contributors and a possible 1st? Portland would be the 1's getting value but the motivation would be creating flexibility.



You need to raise your game because you are really struggling.

................Career 3 Pt %..........2016 - 17 Season
Crabbe.........41.1%......................44.4%
Clarkson.......33.4%......................32.9%


In summer 2018, Nurkic will need a new contract and Mozgov's salary will be an added burden.

They already have some potential luxury tax issues to consider for the 2017 - 18 season and the proposed trade would make the problem even worse.



Crabbe (18,500,000 + $19,332,500 + $18,500,000) + Ezeli ($1,000,000) = $57,332,500


Clarkson ($11,562,500 + $12,500,000 + $13,437,500) + Mozgov ($15,280,000 + $16,000,000 +$ 16,720,000) = $85,500,000


$85,500,000 - $57,332,500 = $28,167,500.00


If Portland did that trade, they would be getting an inferior player (Clarkson) and taking on over $28 million in additional salary for pick #28 when they already have three 2017 first round picks.


If I come up with a trade proposal that has the Lakers taking on worse talent and an additional $28 million in overall salary for a pick similar to #28, will you say that is a deal that Magic and Pelinka should take?


For the record, 2.0 supports any trade as long as it's a trade.


No, I support trades that Improves our talent..
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 5:08 pm    Post subject:

Since taking on a large chunk of additional salary for #28 is considered a good deal for Portland, here is an even better deal for Magic and Pelinka to get #26 from Portland.


Turner ($17,131,148 + $17,868,852 + $18,606,557) + Leonard ($9,904,495 + $10,595,506 + $11,286,515) = $85,393,073


Mozgov ($15,280,000 + $16,000,000 + $16,720,000) + Brewer ($7,600,000) + Black ($6,655,325) = $62,255,325


$85,393,073 - $62,255,325 = $23,137,748


So for taking on only $23 million in total additional salary, the Lakers could get #26 which is a better deal than Portland taking on $28 million in total additional salary for #28.

Magic and Pelinka need to get going on this and setup a trade call ASAP.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 5:21 pm    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
pjiddy wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
Fortysixn2 wrote:
Looks like Ezeli isn't going back to the blazers and he has ties to Luke.

Festus +
Crabbe

For

Mosgov
Clarkson
#28?

Make it happen Magic man!!!



Portland probably won't be interested in that trade proposal.


Why? they get 2 contributors and a possible 1st? Portland would be the 1's getting value but the motivation would be creating flexibility.



You need to raise your game because you are really struggling.

................Career 3 Pt %..........2016 - 17 Season
Crabbe.........41.1%......................44.4%
Clarkson.......33.4%......................32.9%


In summer 2018, Nurkic will need a new contract and Mozgov's salary will be an added burden.

They already have some potential luxury tax issues to consider for the 2017 - 18 season and the proposed trade would make the problem even worse.



Crabbe (18,500,000 + $19,332,500 + $18,500,000) + Ezeli ($1,000,000) = $57,332,500


Clarkson ($11,562,500 + $12,500,000 + $13,437,500) + Mozgov ($15,280,000 + $16,000,000 +$ 16,720,000) = $85,500,000


$85,500,000 - $57,332,500 = $28,167,500.00


If Portland did that trade, they would be getting an inferior player (Clarkson) and taking on over $28 million in additional salary for pick #28 when they already have three 2017 first round picks.


If I come up with a trade proposal that has the Lakers taking on worse talent and an additional $28 million in overall salary for a pick similar to #28, will you say that is a deal that Magic and Pelinka should take?


For the record, 2.0 supports any trade as long as it's a trade.


No, I support trades that Improves our talent..



A better use of your time would be to support trades that make sense for all teams involved.

Suggesting and/or supporting trade proposals that are tilted strongly one way and/or don't fill the needs of the other team(s) tend to be a waste of time.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 5:25 pm    Post subject:

Bard207 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
pjiddy wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
Fortysixn2 wrote:
Looks like Ezeli isn't going back to the blazers and he has ties to Luke.

Festus +
Crabbe

For

Mosgov
Clarkson
#28?

Make it happen Magic man!!!



Portland probably won't be interested in that trade proposal.


Why? they get 2 contributors and a possible 1st? Portland would be the 1's getting value but the motivation would be creating flexibility.



You need to raise your game because you are really struggling.

................Career 3 Pt %..........2016 - 17 Season
Crabbe.........41.1%......................44.4%
Clarkson.......33.4%......................32.9%


In summer 2018, Nurkic will need a new contract and Mozgov's salary will be an added burden.

They already have some potential luxury tax issues to consider for the 2017 - 18 season and the proposed trade would make the problem even worse.



Crabbe (18,500,000 + $19,332,500 + $18,500,000) + Ezeli ($1,000,000) = $57,332,500


Clarkson ($11,562,500 + $12,500,000 + $13,437,500) + Mozgov ($15,280,000 + $16,000,000 +$ 16,720,000) = $85,500,000


$85,500,000 - $57,332,500 = $28,167,500.00


If Portland did that trade, they would be getting an inferior player (Clarkson) and taking on over $28 million in additional salary for pick #28 when they already have three 2017 first round picks.


If I come up with a trade proposal that has the Lakers taking on worse talent and an additional $28 million in overall salary for a pick similar to #28, will you say that is a deal that Magic and Pelinka should take?


For the record, 2.0 supports any trade as long as it's a trade.


No, I support trades that Improves our talent..



A better use of your time would be to support trades that make sense for all teams involved.

Suggesting and/or supporting trade proposals that are tilted strongly one way and/or don't fill the needs of the other team(s) tend to be a waste of time.


I didn't make the Portland trade proposal, I was just trying to argue on its value....
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 5:38 pm    Post subject:

It seems the board is split over the reality of Magic giving up substantial youth (hopefully only one of possible pick/dlo/BI) or waiting a year on PG13.

Forget extension and All NBA talk for a moment. If there is a glimmer of hope in the following scenario, can we at least back Magic on this plan? If things go south with Griffin and the Clips, what's more important to me than the timing of PG13 may be landing Griffin for only salary, not assets. Beyond fit and injuries, the talent and rarity of swaying a star in today's CBA may be enough to combat giving up a little much to secure PG13. More importantly they may be linked. Griffin's plan A is likely the Clips as he gets Balmer to go all in with CP3 and maybe Melo long term, being able to force a trade later if it goes south. But IF and I mean IF Griffin says he will sign if they deal for PG13, we need to consider that and how likely Magic is to do it. Same goes for taking Ball if they get the pick. Things may line up as a whole and I don't mind giving a bit more...I said a bit for PG13.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 5:43 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 5:44 pm    Post subject:

I'm concerned with Blake's health, personally.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 5:46 pm    Post subject:

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It seems the board is split over the reality of Magic giving up substantial youth (hopefully only one of possible pick/dlo/BI) or waiting a year on PG13.

Forget extension and All NBA talk for a moment. If there is a glimmer of hope in the following scenario, can we at least back Magic on this plan? If things go south with Griffin and the Clips, what's more important to me than the timing of PG13 may be landing Griffin for only salary, not assets. Beyond fit and injuries, the talent and rarity of swaying a star in today's CBA may be enough to combat giving up a little much to secure PG13. More importantly they may be linked. Griffin's plan A is likely the Clips as he gets Balmer to go all in with CP3 and maybe Melo long term, being able to force a trade later if it goes south. But IF and I mean IF Griffin says he will sign if they deal for PG13, we need to consider that and how likely Magic is to do it. Same goes for taking Ball if they get the pick. Things may line up as a whole and I don't mind giving a bit more...I said a bit for PG13.


I don't think people are opposed to the idea of trading for him.. it's just at what cost.

Blake is another story... I think many here feel like Julius is starting to showings of a very good PF while Blake is to injury prone (which is a real issue).

If you told me we could acquire both without stripping our team bare, I'd be all for it. What is stripping the team is up for debate.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 5:58 pm    Post subject:

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A better use of your time would be to support trades that make sense for all teams involved.

Suggesting and/or supporting trade proposals that are tilted strongly one way and/or don't fill the needs of the other team(s) tend to be a waste of time.


I didn't make the Portland trade proposal, I was just trying to argue on its value....



You should have done some research before joining that discussion.


After removing Ezeli ($6,733,000) + Connaughton ($1,471,382) + Quarterman ($1,312,611), Portland will reduce their 2017 - 18 team salary by $9,516,993


$141,613,267 - $9,516,993 = $132,096,274


NBA projects salary cap to reach $101 million in 2017-18


The latest estimate for next season's luxury tax line is $121 million.

So Portland would still be $11 million into luxury tax even after the initial moves of dropping Ezeli, Connaughton and Quarterman.


At the moment, Portland has #15, #20 and #26 in the upcoming draft. The sum of the cap holds for those three picks would be over $5 million more in team salary.



The idea that Portland would be willing to add additional team salary with a swap of Crabbe + Ezeli for Mozgov + Clarkson + #28 isn't logical when Portland already has luxury tax concerns.
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fansincemagic wrote:
It seems the board is split over the reality of Magic giving up substantial youth (hopefully only one of possible pick/dlo/BI) or waiting a year on PG13.

Forget extension and All NBA talk for a moment. If there is a glimmer of hope in the following scenario, can we at least back Magic on this plan? If things go south with Griffin and the Clips, what's more important to me than the timing of PG13 may be landing Griffin for only salary, not assets. Beyond fit and injuries, the talent and rarity of swaying a star in today's CBA may be enough to combat giving up a little much to secure PG13. More importantly they may be linked. Griffin's plan A is likely the Clips as he gets Balmer to go all in with CP3 and maybe Melo long term, being able to force a trade later if it goes south. But IF and I mean IF Griffin says he will sign if they deal for PG13, we need to consider that and how likely Magic is to do it. Same goes for taking Ball if they get the pick. Things may line up as a whole and I don't mind giving a bit more...I said a bit for PG13.


Griffin plays 60 games a year and is always hurt when it matters. No thanks.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 6:19 pm    Post subject:

Dlo/Ennis
George/Fultz
Ingram/Deng
Randle/Nance
Zubac/Tim

I can live with this lineup
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:13 pm    Post subject:

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A lot less money against the cap. And good luck trading him for an expiring. Unless of course you want to waste assets that we have paid so dearly for the last 4 seasons.


If all it takes is #28 and we get back brook Lopez who can still contribute and is expiring then do it. Rather do that then stretch mix for 6 YEARS at 8 mill per.


That isn't what the proposal was, it was JC and the 28 pick. Two assets gone for nothing to build our future on.

The trade would also open up about 4-5M more in cap space this summer. Maybe enough to replace JC with Ian Clark, a guy with amazing advanced numbers on defense and still with room to grow.

Not to mention a big that could actually stretch the floor
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:13 pm    Post subject:

my pipe:
3,28,brewer,black for PG13
Randle,deng, 2 2nd, future 1st for Cousins
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richmorgan12 wrote:
fansincemagic wrote:
It seems the board is split over the reality of Magic giving up substantial youth (hopefully only one of possible pick/dlo/BI) or waiting a year on PG13.

Forget extension and All NBA talk for a moment. If there is a glimmer of hope in the following scenario, can we at least back Magic on this plan? If things go south with Griffin and the Clips, what's more important to me than the timing of PG13 may be landing Griffin for only salary, not assets. Beyond fit and injuries, the talent and rarity of swaying a star in today's CBA may be enough to combat giving up a little much to secure PG13. More importantly they may be linked. Griffin's plan A is likely the Clips as he gets Balmer to go all in with CP3 and maybe Melo long term, being able to force a trade later if it goes south. But IF and I mean IF Griffin says he will sign if they deal for PG13, we need to consider that and how likely Magic is to do it. Same goes for taking Ball if they get the pick. Things may line up as a whole and I don't mind giving a bit more...I said a bit for PG13.


Griffin plays 60 games a year and is always hurt when it matters. No thanks.


Even if it's a gamble, I'm open to other scenarios but this isn't unprecedented. The sky was falling when CP3 had a similar history and was blocked by Stern. Half the board want to give 30M/yr for Holiday and his injuries. I'm not the biggest Griffin fan bit talent is talent and I'll take my chances on a guy being snakebit by various injuries than coming off something major. If he and PG help land each other I'll take that over trying to figure out how to fit PG and Cousins financially in a yr.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:48 pm    Post subject:

lets Go: CP3 in FA
PG13 in trade
Cousins in trade

Kerr retires and West is ours with east being cake walk with lebron aging
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:53 pm    Post subject:

pjiddy wrote:
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Just wait on Paul George. Don't give up assets for him now. He will come in 2018.

Top 3 pick
DLO
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Getting the top 3 pick + another year of Luke's system, guys getting better, and we are in pretty good shape heading into 2018.


You forgot

Magic/Jeanie wanting to make a splash + 2017 Allstar game at Staples + George doesn't want to give up 30-40 million in guaranteed money


+ Paul George dealt to Celtics, has success, ends up not leaving
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Chase.button07 wrote:
lets Go: CP3 in FA
PG13 in trade
Cousins in trade

Kerr retires and West is ours with east being cake walk with lebron aging


We can't afford all that, and also CP3 is going to take his $200 mil and stay with the Clips, and NO is not ready to give up on Cousins yet because they want to make the playoffs next year. So we will be lucky to get PG13.
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lets Go: CP3 in FA
PG13 in trade
Cousins in trade

Kerr retires and West is ours with east being cake walk with lebron aging


We can't afford all that, and also CP3 is going to take his $200 mil and stay with the Clips, and NO is not ready to give up on Cousins yet because they want to make the playoffs next year. So we will be lucky to get PG13.


🤔 Cause we going to lose to gsw/spurs
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I would like to see us get
Monroe and Cp3
Trade for Paul George draft Ball

That would be a complete Success


I am leaning towards CP3 as well over griffin

no idea where PG13/Ingram will play tough

Mozgov
Ingram
PG13
DLO
CP3

would be neat


We won't have the cap space for CP3.


Nevermind that if CP3 is leaving behind the supermax that he would probably go to a team like San Antonio, but if you wouldn't mind indulging me for a moment...yes, we could have the necessary cap space for him. But it would require a lot of different moving parts. I'll just give you one example:

--First off, we're operating under the notion that we will currently have about $30-31MM or so in cap space if Black's option isn't picked up (or if he's traded) and Nick Young opts out. That just so happens to be about what CP3's max salary # in the first year would be. So keep that in mind with the incoming/outgoing salaries I'm about to discuss.

--Trade JC/Moz/#28 for Brook Lopez. The outgoing salary here is $28.5MM and the incoming salary is about $22.5MM, so we've saved about $6MM in this move.

--Trade Randle and Deng and Black (and possibly 1 or 2 of the 2nd rounders we acquired for Calderon, but that doesn't factor into the salaries) for Carmelo Anthony. The outgoing salary here is about $28.8MM and the incoming salary is about $26.2MM; I know that Melo has a 15% trade kicker, but much like Hibbert waived his, if Melo could join a Laker team as I'm about to construct it, I think he'd be OK with waiving an additional $3.9MM to make it happen. If he did that, we're saving another $2.6MM here, so now we'd be at a savings of about $8.6MM so far; however, if he did require the trade kicker, his salary for next year would end up about $30.2MM, so we'd lose about $1.4MM, but we'd still be over $4.5MM ahead on the ledger.

Actually, that's all we'd have to do, and we'd have more than a max slot for CP3 (or any other max free agent). I was thinking about taking it a step further to try to get PG too in this trade...

--Trade Top 3 pick and Brewer (and a possible future pick or picks) for PG13. The outgoing salary is only $7.6MM here and the incoming is $19.5MM, so we're losing about $11.9MM here.

...but 11.9MM minus 8.6MM (and that's a best case scenario if Melo declined the trade kicker) is a net loss of about $3.3MM, which could leave us with about $27.7MM in space. So that's not quite the full max, and it would also mean we would have 8 players and need to fill out the roster with 7 minimum salary guys (although we could use an exception for at least one palyer). So let's stick to the idea of having about $39MM in space after those first 2 trades. That's definitely enough to sign CP3 and also enough to make another signing as well, and that's even if we kept the top 3 pick.

Next year's starting lineup would be CP3/Dlo/Ingram/Melo/Lopez, and you'd have Nance and Zubac and a draft pick (either the top 3 or perhaps the #33 if we lose the pick) as part of the bench. That should be a playoff team in the West. Then in summer 2018, Lopez expires. The cap is going to go up again, although not exponentially, but we should be pretty close to being able to give another full max contract. And if not, we would probably be close enough to be able to maneuver if we had to. Instead of Lopez, maybe you add Cousins. Or maybe you add PG13 and move Dlo or Ingram for a big man. Obviously, there could be a lot of possibilities, just as there are now for our offseason plans.

I'm just saying, it wouldn't be unthinkable to create enough cap space to bring CP3 in. Of course, everything I just wrote is highly unlikely, and I'm more than aware of that, I promise.
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