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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:38 pm    Post subject:

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(ii) for any player who has completed at least seven (7) but
fewer than ten (10) Years of Service, the greater of (x)
thirty percent (30%) of the Salary Cap in effect at the time
the Contract is executed, or (y) one hundred five percent
(105%) of the Salary for the final Season of the player’s
prior Contract; provided,



So in the area of $30 million depending on the exact number for the Salary Cap. The latest estimate for the Salary Cap was $101 million, so the salary for a mid tier Max would be just over $30 million.


And the Clippers will offer that for 5 seasons. That is what our FO will be dealing with.
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(ii) for any player who has completed at least seven (7) but
fewer than ten (10) Years of Service, the greater of (x)
thirty percent (30%) of the Salary Cap in effect at the time
the Contract is executed, or (y) one hundred five percent
(105%) of the Salary for the final Season of the player’s
prior Contract; provided,



So in the area of $30 million depending on the exact number for the Salary Cap. The latest estimate for the Salary Cap was $101 million, so the salary for a mid tier Max would be just over $30 million.


And the Clippers will offer that for 5 seasons. That is what our FO will be dealing with.


Yep, and even though CP3 doesn't qualify for the "super max", he's still a 10+ year player, so his max would start about about $36MM, and with the 8% raises, his contract would be for over $200MM.
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DeAndre Jordan ignored 3 questions:

Will this group be back together?
Will he lobby CP & Blake to return?
Does he want them to return?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:13 pm    Post subject:

It's also worth noting that Blake Griffin has to wonder if the Clippers might sign him and then trade him during the next season, to a place where he really doesn't want to be. And if you're wondering about him asking the Clippers for a no-trade clause, he can't. You have to have at least 8 seasons of NBA service (and 4 with the same team), and this season was his 7th.

It's still probable he returns there--they can offer him the most money, after all--but there are certainly reasons he could have to leave.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 6:29 pm    Post subject:

Pau Gasol opts out and decides he wants to retire with the Lakers. 1 year deal to mentor Zubac and is fine with a backup role. Yes or no?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 6:38 pm    Post subject:

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Pau Gasol opts out and decides he wants to retire with the Lakers. 1 year deal to mentor Zubac and is fine with a backup role. Yes or no?


Good question, would love to see him back with the P&G.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 6:50 pm    Post subject:

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It's also worth noting that Blake Griffin has to wonder if the Clippers might sign him and then trade him during the next season, to a place where he really doesn't want to be. And if you're wondering about him asking the Clippers for a no-trade clause, he can't. You have to have at least 8 seasons of NBA service (and 4 with the same team), and this season was his 7th.

It's still probable he returns there--they can offer him the most money, after all--but there are certainly reasons he could have to leave.



Drafted in June 2009.

2009 - 2010 -- Injured in preseason and missed regular season.
2010 - 2011
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If he is given service credit for the 2009 - 2010 season, would he be at eight on years of service?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:07 pm    Post subject:

I think Lakers will make a pitch to CP3...

Whether we get the Draft Pick or not. Hes at the perfect age of his career where he can help this team grow and be a bridge to the future...

I could see Lakers having PG13 and Cp3 in there plans if all breaks right with the draft pick...

It just seems like Magic is a CP3 kind of guy he might be able to sell him on the Lakers.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:08 pm    Post subject:

Imagine something like

Cp3
Russell
George
Ingram
Moz

Great balance of youth and vets.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:10 pm    Post subject:

BobbyB wrote:
Imagine something like

Cp3
Russell
George
Ingram
Moz

Great balance of youth and vets.


maybe he wants to ring chase? i won't complain if we got CP3 for 4yrs
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:15 pm    Post subject:

Chase.button07 wrote:
BobbyB wrote:
Imagine something like

Cp3
Russell
George
Ingram
Moz

Great balance of youth and vets.


maybe he wants to ring chase? i won't complain if we got CP3 for 4yrs


Its not necessarily ring chasing...but I think Lakers have youth and assests right now that the clippers don't have...So while I don't our young core is necessarily ready to compete for a ring, we have pieces in play that are going to get better within the next couple of seasons.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:16 pm    Post subject:

bonkers wrote:
Pau Gasol opts out and decides he wants to retire with the Lakers. 1 year deal to mentor Zubac and is fine with a backup role. Yes or no?


If we miss out on the Top FA's and have to carry over cap space for a year.. absolutely.
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BobbyB wrote:
Chase.button07 wrote:
BobbyB wrote:
Imagine something like

Cp3
Russell
George
Ingram
Moz

Great balance of youth and vets.


maybe he wants to ring chase? i won't complain if we got CP3 for 4yrs


Its not necessarily ring chasing...but I think Lakers have youth and assests right now that the clippers don't have...So while I don't our young core is necessarily ready to compete for a ring, we have pieces in play that are going to get better within the next couple of seasons.


my pipe:
top 3/deng/28, add for pg
randle/clarkson/zubac for cousins
still have space for cp3

cp3
russell
pg13
ingram
cousins

no idea ingram can play 4 tough and PG don't want too
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:33 pm    Post subject:

Chase.button07 wrote:
BobbyB wrote:
Chase.button07 wrote:
BobbyB wrote:
Imagine something like

Cp3
Russell
George
Ingram
Moz

Great balance of youth and vets.


maybe he wants to ring chase? i won't complain if we got CP3 for 4yrs


Its not necessarily ring chasing...but I think Lakers have youth and assests right now that the clippers don't have...So while I don't our young core is necessarily ready to compete for a ring, we have pieces in play that are going to get better within the next couple of seasons.


my pipe:
top 3/deng/28, add for pg
randle/clarkson/zubac for cousins
still have space for cp3

cp3
russell
pg13
ingram
cousins

no idea ingram can play 4 tough and PG don't want too


Ehh I feel like Cousins is overkill. I want a player who just wants to do the dirty work at the C position, set hard screens, roll, finish. Cousins needs the ball to be most affective. Not sure if that is best combo with Cp3...

I said it before but I think Pacers want a Point Guard to pair with Turner...Whether that's the top 3 pick or Russell...
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:33 pm    Post subject:

Chase.button07 wrote:
BobbyB wrote:
Chase.button07 wrote:
BobbyB wrote:
Imagine something like

Cp3
Russell
George
Ingram
Moz

Great balance of youth and vets.


maybe he wants to ring chase? i won't complain if we got CP3 for 4yrs


Its not necessarily ring chasing...but I think Lakers have youth and assests right now that the clippers don't have...So while I don't our young core is necessarily ready to compete for a ring, we have pieces in play that are going to get better within the next couple of seasons.


my pipe:
top 3/deng/28, add for pg
randle/clarkson/zubac for cousins
still have space for cp3

cp3
russell
pg13
ingram
cousins

no idea ingram can play 4 tough and PG don't want too


Ingram would have to add 30 lbs in the off-season to play PF which is highly unlikely.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:39 pm    Post subject:

krisobe wrote:
Chase.button07 wrote:
BobbyB wrote:
Chase.button07 wrote:
BobbyB wrote:
Imagine something like

Cp3
Russell
George
Ingram
Moz

Great balance of youth and vets.


maybe he wants to ring chase? i won't complain if we got CP3 for 4yrs


Its not necessarily ring chasing...but I think Lakers have youth and assests right now that the clippers don't have...So while I don't our young core is necessarily ready to compete for a ring, we have pieces in play that are going to get better within the next couple of seasons.


my pipe:
top 3/deng/28, add for pg
randle/clarkson/zubac for cousins
still have space for cp3

cp3
russell
pg13
ingram
cousins

no idea ingram can play 4 tough and PG don't want too


Ingram would have to add 30 lbs in the off-season to play PF which is highly unlikely.


yea i agree. thats why don't know about cp3 but i won't mind him
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:40 pm    Post subject:

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I am pretty certain that we will be pursuing a trade for PG or another star this summer, and that we will also try to improve in free agency. But if we aren't able to get PG and/or if we can't use all of our cap space anyway (or don't want to), I had another scenario in mind...

Emplay tweeted that the Pacers have about $20MM in cap room, taking into account Teague's cap hold (if they use all of their cap room, they could also sign Teague at the end). So they would need to shed at least $10MM to have a max slot for a guy like Paul Millsap. They would need to shed Monta Ellis' burdensome salary, who makes $11.2MM in '17-18 and then has an $11.7MM player option for '18-19. We've seen Houston give up a 1st round pick--though it wasn't as high as #18, which is where the Pacers pick in this upcoming draft--in order to dump Lin, as they were in pursuit of a max slot for Bosh. Would the Pacers be desperate enough to give up #18 to dump Ellis? Maybe if we gave them the '18 Denver 2nd and the Chicago '19 2nd? Or if not the #18, maybe their 2018 1st rounder?

Just wondering if facilitating for them and picking up another asset might not be so terrible. And then PG leaves there after next season anyway and comes to us LOL. In all seriousness though, somebody would definitely facilitate for them and take Ellis if they were getting a 1st rounder out of it, and it might be a team like the 76ers, who seem to do this all the time. The Nets should also be in play for this, as they are way under the cap anyway and need picks big time.


I don't think it's a bad idea, just don't know if the Lakers want to add another 3 players who would be rookies. You add that to the 2 second year players, plus the two third year players in Russell and Nance, and that's a very young team. Plus, how many minutes does Ellis play behind Clarkson, Ball and Russell at guard?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:42 pm    Post subject:

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I think Lakers will make a pitch to CP3...

Whether we get the Draft Pick or not. Hes at the perfect age of his career where he can help this team grow and be a bridge to the future...

I could see Lakers having PG13 and Cp3 in there plans if all breaks right with the draft pick...

It just seems like Magic is a CP3 kind of guy he might be able to sell him on the Lakers.


How are we going to create over $35 mil in cap space?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:44 pm    Post subject:

CP3 get SO much money if he stays, like an insane amount of money that he brought to existence as the president of NBAPA. The ONLY way he even thinks about leaving that is if he ends up on a contender.

Why would he give up like 50 million extra money to play for the worse team in the same city?

Come on now..
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venturalakersfan wrote:
BobbyB wrote:
I think Lakers will make a pitch to CP3...

Whether we get the Draft Pick or not. Hes at the perfect age of his career where he can help this team grow and be a bridge to the future...

I could see Lakers having PG13 and Cp3 in there plans if all breaks right with the draft pick...

It just seems like Magic is a CP3 kind of guy he might be able to sell him on the Lakers.


How are we going to create over $35 mil in cap space?


We can if we dump Mozgov and Deng for a 2nd round pick.
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venturalakersfan wrote:
BobbyB wrote:
I think Lakers will make a pitch to CP3...

Whether we get the Draft Pick or not. Hes at the perfect age of his career where he can help this team grow and be a bridge to the future...

I could see Lakers having PG13 and Cp3 in there plans if all breaks right with the draft pick...

It just seems like Magic is a CP3 kind of guy he might be able to sell him on the Lakers.


How are we going to create over $35 mil in cap space?


We can if we dump Mozgov and Deng for a 2nd round pick.


Nobody is taking a 2nd round pick as a trade off for absorbing Deng or Mozzy.

Only way either generates interest is if a team has a legit need for exactly what that player can do..

I suspect some teams would have interest in Deng if he had 2 years left on his deal but that 3rd year makes it very hard to stomach
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:54 pm    Post subject:

Some of these players and lineups you guys are putting together are so ridiculous. We would be lucky to get one good free agent, not 2, 3 or 4. Put down the pipe.

Cousin
PG13
CP3
Blake

Ha ha ha..

Come on
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:56 pm    Post subject:

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The upside to the trade is, the big money would be allocated to the franchise guys, not MozDeng.

But now you're hurting for a C, PF, and PG with any kind of starting ability, and hoping to be in their mid to late 20s just like Butler and PG13.

Super slim chance of happening, but if that trade were pulled this summer, and CP3 opts out, there's that 0.00000000000001% chance he would go in as a Laker too.

Now you just need your anchor/PnR center.

I doubt it would be possible to lure both Jrue and Ibaka with any remaining cap room.


is there enough $ for this 'super team'?


Yeah, but 3 stars alone don't cut it.

More like 3-4 All Stars, near elite backcourt, + bench.


Honestly, if we could get Butler for Ingram and the pick, I'd just wait until George becomes a free agent and keep Russell and Clarkson. That's a starting PG and bench production.

Wish we could move to the East with that team.

I still don't know about throwing away the future for a run with that ridiculous GS team around.

I figure they have this year + 2(maybe 3) until their defense slips enough to allow another team maybe a chance to win.


I know Luke wants talent, but it's odd to say that I don't think Jimmy Butler fits his style of play.

Then again, a lot of guys adapted to the GSW system. Even Iggy came from slowdown, gritty defense into GSW.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:56 pm    Post subject:

It is a terrible idea to make Ingram into a 4. Can you say injuries? It would be better to keep him lean and make him a 2 over that. Frankly I'd love the lakers to get Lopez for Clarkson, Moz, and 28. If the Lakers get the pick... Draft JJ. Put Ingram as the Facilitator. DLO as the 2. JJ defensive stopper at 3. Nance at 4. Lopez at 5. Lopez DLo and Ingram can all hit the 3 ball and Nance and JJ as p and r guys. Defensively the Lakers might even become half decent with that. Sign PG next off season. Nance. Lopez zublocka. JJ.

What about Randle you might ask...
trade randle, black, and deng for Conley.

Team a year and a couple months from today...
Conley DLO PG JJ Nance Lopez Zublocka Ingram.
Both a 5 great young players with 3 high quality vets. That team could be a solid one out west.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:59 pm    Post subject:

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venturalakersfan wrote:
BobbyB wrote:
I think Lakers will make a pitch to CP3...

Whether we get the Draft Pick or not. Hes at the perfect age of his career where he can help this team grow and be a bridge to the future...

I could see Lakers having PG13 and Cp3 in there plans if all breaks right with the draft pick...

It just seems like Magic is a CP3 kind of guy he might be able to sell him on the Lakers.


How are we going to create over $35 mil in cap space?


We can if we dump Mozgov and Deng for a 2nd round pick.


Which team is going to do that trade?


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