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| LakerSD wrote: | https://twitter.com/totalprosports/status/875525783053254657
Cavs looking into maybe trading for Boogie Cousins  |
Better lay off our guy...
Boogie/Zu
George/Randle/Nance
Ingram
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | https://twitter.com/nbcsports/status/875464184053604352
CP3 going to speak with Spurs, Rockets and Nuggets. |
CP3 would be so much fun in Denver. |
He talked to his buddy Wade who told him it's an easy way to have a good contract to leverage LAC with.
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| We should try and sign Hayward. PG is no guarantee. Also, if PG is on the Market, Hayward would be a great piece to send to the Pacers in a trade at the deadline. Could almost be 1 for 1. But that would be doing him dirty in his once or twice in a lifetime free agent opportunity and I don't think I would want to do that to a person. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Russell1 wrote: | | We should try and sign Hayward. PG is no guarantee. Also, if PG is on the Market, Hayward would be a great piece to send to the Pacers in a trade at the deadline. Could almost be 1 for 1. But that would be doing him dirty in his once or twice in a lifetime free agent opportunity and I don't think I would want to do that to a person. |
We have a better chance at signing CP3 then Hayward IMO. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Russell1 wrote: | | We should try and sign Hayward. PG is no guarantee. Also, if PG is on the Market, Hayward would be a great piece to send to the Pacers in a trade at the deadline. Could almost be 1 for 1. But that would be doing him dirty in his once or twice in a lifetime free agent opportunity and I don't think I would want to do that to a person. |
Of course we go for Hayward. He's just pretty much unattainable: why would he want to come to LA? |
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CamReddish
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| tox wrote: | | Russell1 wrote: | | We should try and sign Hayward. PG is no guarantee. Also, if PG is on the Market, Hayward would be a great piece to send to the Pacers in a trade at the deadline. Could almost be 1 for 1. But that would be doing him dirty in his once or twice in a lifetime free agent opportunity and I don't think I would want to do that to a person. |
Of course we go for Hayward. He's just pretty much unattainable: why would he want to come to LA? |
Leader of a young talented squad and Los Angeles? He seems a little Hollywood to me. He is a really good player a lot of people don't know about. If he played for the Lakers, everyone would know about him.
That would be my starting point in the pitch meeting. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Russell1 wrote: | | tox wrote: | | Russell1 wrote: | | We should try and sign Hayward. PG is no guarantee. Also, if PG is on the Market, Hayward would be a great piece to send to the Pacers in a trade at the deadline. Could almost be 1 for 1. But that would be doing him dirty in his once or twice in a lifetime free agent opportunity and I don't think I would want to do that to a person. |
Of course we go for Hayward. He's just pretty much unattainable: why would he want to come to LA? |
Leader of a young talented squad and Los Angeles? He seems a little Hollywood to me. He is a really good player a lot of people don't know about. If he played for the Lakers, everyone would know about him.
That would be my starting point in the pitch meeting. |
Unfortunately, he's actually aboutnthat opposite of Hollywood. Actually loves living in utah...
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Russell1 wrote: | | tox wrote: | | Russell1 wrote: | | We should try and sign Hayward. PG is no guarantee. Also, if PG is on the Market, Hayward would be a great piece to send to the Pacers in a trade at the deadline. Could almost be 1 for 1. But that would be doing him dirty in his once or twice in a lifetime free agent opportunity and I don't think I would want to do that to a person. |
Of course we go for Hayward. He's just pretty much unattainable: why would he want to come to LA? |
Leader of a young talented squad and Los Angeles? He seems a little Hollywood to me. He is a really good player a lot of people don't know about. If he played for the Lakers, everyone would know about him.
That would be my starting point in the pitch meeting. |
Unfortunately, he's actually aboutnthat opposite of Hollywood. Actually loves living in utah... |
We are about to see if he does. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Russell1 wrote: | | tox wrote: | | Russell1 wrote: | | We should try and sign Hayward. PG is no guarantee. Also, if PG is on the Market, Hayward would be a great piece to send to the Pacers in a trade at the deadline. Could almost be 1 for 1. But that would be doing him dirty in his once or twice in a lifetime free agent opportunity and I don't think I would want to do that to a person. |
Of course we go for Hayward. He's just pretty much unattainable: why would he want to come to LA? |
Leader of a young talented squad and Los Angeles? He seems a little Hollywood to me. He is a really good player a lot of people don't know about. If he played for the Lakers, everyone would know about him.
That would be my starting point in the pitch meeting. |
His wife definitely looks like she belongs in Hollywood. |
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This is what bothers me about getting FA's at this stage in our rebuild...
Say we draft ball/fultz/jackson, then we have an incredibly promising solid starting 5 that can gel together.
Draft Ball/Fultz:
Ball/Fultz
Dlo
BI
Jules
Zu
Draft Jackson
Dlo
JJ
BI
Jules
Zu
If we are looking at perimeter guys like PG13, Hayward etc.. where does that leave us in trying to develop our core? If were trying to develop these kids for the next 10 years, I'm worried that bringing one of them off the bench would throw a wrench in that.
Now we might be thinking of turning one of them in to an ideal 6th man type player, but I don't see either of DLO, BI or Jules doing well with that type of roles since these three specifically are feature guys in your offense. Clarkson and Nance are really the only ones I would be okay with not starting long term.
So say we sign PG13, do we have BI come off the bench for the next 5-6 years? What about Lonzo/Fultz coming off the bench if we start a back court of DLO and george/hayward? We could be wasting precious years of growth for some of these young guys if they are stuck in limited roles. Walton basically threw BI to the wolves in his rookie year and while he struggled starting out, he eventually adapted and grew through those struggles to show flashes of brilliance to finish out the season. That likely doesn't happen if he's only playing 18 minutes a game.
I am completely committed to developing each of our top prospects as I believe they all have allstar or borderline all star potential. Maybe some of you guys aren't sold on our current young core, but I honestly don't see another team with a young core that has the potential to be as cohesive as ours as a unit. I really think russel, ingram, and randle compliment eachother perfectly and if you throw lonzo in to that mix you really can't get a more promising set of young guys going forward.
TLDR: If we sign a big name free agent pretty soon, it may get in the way of our plan of developing some of our youth. |
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If Boogie goes to Cleaveland I think thats enough to beat GSW. Kyrie/Lebron/Dmc. In order to beat Golden State you need to have a dominant big man, you can't beat them at their own game(run n 3s). This is why I hope Zu turns out to be a top 5 center OR we get an all star center(If PG or Lebron come; Zu, Randle, Clarkson, Nance, etc. become expandable and I'm sure the FO won't hesitate to flip either of them for a star big) Without a solid big Lakers won't sniff the finals for another 5 years at least. Potentially our lineup can look like this next summer, probably good enough for WCF.
Ball
Russell
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PG or Lebron
Zu or All star big(DMC? Davis?)
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| E_Wulf420 wrote: | | If Boogie goes to Cleaveland I think thats enough to beat GSW. Kyrie/Lebron/Dmc. |
Where is the money coming from? He isn't coming for a discount and the Cavs are 30M over the cap.
| E_Wulf420 wrote: | | In order to beat Golden State you need to have a dominant big man, you can't beat them at their own game(run n 3s). |
DMC is inefficient for a big man, low FG% for the amount of touches he gets and is a woeful defender.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:38 am Post subject: |
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| trablos wrote: | This is what bothers me about getting FA's at this stage in our rebuild...
Say we draft ball/fultz/jackson, then we have an incredibly promising solid starting 5 that can gel together.
Draft Ball/Fultz:
Ball/Fultz
Dlo
BI
Jules
Zu
Draft Jackson
Dlo
JJ
BI
Jules
Zu
If we are looking at perimeter guys like PG13, Hayward etc.. where does that leave us in trying to develop our core? If were trying to develop these kids for the next 10 years, I'm worried that bringing one of them off the bench would throw a wrench in that.
Now we might be thinking of turning one of them in to an ideal 6th man type player, but I don't see either of DLO, BI or Jules doing well with that type of roles since these three specifically are feature guys in your offense. Clarkson and Nance are really the only ones I would be okay with not starting long term.
So say we sign PG13, do we have BI come off the bench for the next 5-6 years? What about Lonzo/Fultz coming off the bench if we start a back court of DLO and george/hayward? We could be wasting precious years of growth for some of these young guys if they are stuck in limited roles. Walton basically threw BI to the wolves in his rookie year and while he struggled starting out, he eventually adapted and grew through those struggles to show flashes of brilliance to finish out the season. That likely doesn't happen if he's only playing 18 minutes a game.
I am completely committed to developing each of our top prospects as I believe they all have allstar or borderline all star potential. Maybe some of you guys aren't sold on our current young core, but I honestly don't see another team with a young core that has the potential to be as cohesive as ours as a unit. I really think russel, ingram, and randle compliment eachother perfectly and if you throw lonzo in to that mix you really can't get a more promising set of young guys going forward.
TLDR: If we sign a big name free agent pretty soon, it may get in the way of our plan of developing some of our youth. |
Question remains if the Lakers management is "completely committed" to developing the the young players.
That is makes this off-season discussions so passionate on the boards. We have no clue in what direction they want to take the Lakers to start competing again. There can only be so much overlap in the options of either "developing the youth" or "bringing in marquee free agents".
Either direction dominoes other decisions. Part of the chaos and instability of the past few years is the lack of direction by ownership. Often times it seemed to have opposing messages and actions. Remains to be seen if they have a viable plan for the next few years.
I like the plan to develop the youth too. Give this roster time to build chemistry. But that would likely be contradictory to signing a couple free agents in the next year or two. It will take moves to the youth development in roster spots, trades and cap availability.
Can't wait for the draft. It will be another step in revealing the long term plan. As will when they decide to sign some free agents. Long term or short term planning and goals will be evident over the next couple months.
All I can say is unless I miss my guess I wouldn't get too attached to any of the young guys. Already too late for me. I want to see the young players develop with the Lakers not some other team. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 8:40 am Post subject: |
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| Dave McMenamin reporting that Kevin Love can end up being traded, I would take a chance on him, as well as Shumpert. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:01 am Post subject: |
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| trablos wrote: | This is what bothers me about getting FA's at this stage in our rebuild...
Say we draft ball/fultz/jackson, then we have an incredibly promising solid starting 5 that can gel together.
Draft Ball/Fultz:
Ball/Fultz
Dlo
BI
Jules
Zu
Draft Jackson
Dlo
JJ
BI
Jules
Zu
If we are looking at perimeter guys like PG13, Hayward etc.. where does that leave us in trying to develop our core? If were trying to develop these kids for the next 10 years, I'm worried that bringing one of them off the bench would throw a wrench in that.
Now we might be thinking of turning one of them in to an ideal 6th man type player, but I don't see either of DLO, BI or Jules doing well with that type of roles since these three specifically are feature guys in your offense. Clarkson and Nance are really the only ones I would be okay with not starting long term.
So say we sign PG13, do we have BI come off the bench for the next 5-6 years? What about Lonzo/Fultz coming off the bench if we start a back court of DLO and george/hayward? We could be wasting precious years of growth for some of these young guys if they are stuck in limited roles. Walton basically threw BI to the wolves in his rookie year and while he struggled starting out, he eventually adapted and grew through those struggles to show flashes of brilliance to finish out the season. That likely doesn't happen if he's only playing 18 minutes a game.
I am completely committed to developing each of our top prospects as I believe they all have allstar or borderline all star potential. Maybe some of you guys aren't sold on our current young core, but I honestly don't see another team with a young core that has the potential to be as cohesive as ours as a unit. I really think russel, ingram, and randle compliment eachother perfectly and if you throw lonzo in to that mix you really can't get a more promising set of young guys going forward.
TLDR: If we sign a big name free agent pretty soon, it may get in the way of our plan of developing some of our youth. |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Dave McMenamin reporting that Kevin Love can end up being traded, I would take a chance on him, as well as Shumpert. |
there is no playing time for him here. i see him going to portland and those 3 picks going to Indy and Paul George going to Cavs
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| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:19 am Post subject: |
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| Chase.button07 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Dave McMenamin reporting that Kevin Love can end up being traded, I would take a chance on him, as well as Shumpert. |
there is no playing time for him here. i see him going to portland and those 3 picks going to Indy and Paul George going to Cavs |
I'd take Love for Moz/Deng...both of them. I'll take Shumpert off their hands too. 
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| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:24 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Dave McMenamin reporting that Kevin Love can end up being traded, I would take a chance on him, as well as Shumpert. |
there is no playing time for him here. i see him going to portland and those 3 picks going to Indy and Paul George going to Cavs |
I'd take Love for Moz/Deng...both of them. I'll take Shumpert off their hands too. |
come on Lebron get your boy Mozgov back
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| Chase.button07 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Dave McMenamin reporting that Kevin Love can end up being traded, I would take a chance on him, as well as Shumpert. |
there is no playing time for him here. i see him going to portland and those 3 picks going to Indy and Paul George going to Cavs |
I'd take Love for Moz/Deng...both of them. I'll take Shumpert off their hands too. |
come on Lebron get your boy Mozgov back |
Moz has a ring.
Deng has leadership.
Do it Rob. 
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Dave McMenamin reporting that Kevin Love can end up being traded, I would take a chance on him, as well as Shumpert. |
there is no playing time for him here. i see him going to portland and those 3 picks going to Indy and Paul George going to Cavs |
I'd take Love for Moz/Deng...both of them. I'll take Shumpert off their hands too. |
come on Lebron get your boy Mozgov back |
Moz has a ring.
Deng has leadership.
Do it Rob. |
Dude not just leadership, veteran leadership
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| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Chase.button07 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Dave McMenamin reporting that Kevin Love can end up being traded, I would take a chance on him, as well as Shumpert. |
there is no playing time for him here. i see him going to portland and those 3 picks going to Indy and Paul George going to Cavs |
OMG just no. Love is such a horrible defender and his contract is bad.
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Say the Lakers draft Ball and bring back Black and Nwaba.
Ball/
Russell/Clarkson/Nwaba
Ingram/Deng/
Randle/Nance/
Mozgov/Black/Zubac
#28 pick, Young/Ennis/Robinson could return.
What should the Lakers use the rest of their cap on? I think another shooter or a 3 and D player.
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It looks like Livingston might be a casualty of GS paying Curry, Durant and Iggy. I wouldn't mind kicking the tires on him.
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| Dilla_ wrote: | Say the Lakers draft Ball and bring back Black and Nwaba.
Ball/
Russell/Clarkson/Nwaba
Ingram/Deng/
Randle/Nance/
Mozgov/Black/Zubac
#28 pick, Young/Ennis/Robinson could return.
What should the Lakers use the rest of their cap on? I think another shooter or a 3 and D player. |
Take on a bad ending contract for a pick next year. Next year is already a wash and will be used for player development. |
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