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| underdogsgv wrote: | Read somewhere that Hayward is waiting to see if Utah re-signs George Hill. If they do, Hayward probably stays.
Also, if Chris Paul stays with the Clippers, I don't see why Griffin bolts to somewhere like Miami. Playing with CP3 has to be more optimal for him than playing with Dragic, unless CP3 is more overbearing than everyone thinks.
Only way Griffin leaves is if the Clips lowball him |
Rumors is Blake hates playing with CP3 |
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LakerFan1972
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| governator wrote: | | deal wrote: | | epak wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | deal wrote: | | We need to go after Hayward...he's solid; PG will follow... |
We don't have the...cap space right now. |
What's funny is that, Brook is easier to move than Moz right? |
True. And I hate to say it but Hayward is better by far than JC, soooo, do we trade him for a pick? Don't know but I'm sure we could clear enough to grab him, that is, IF he wanted to come. The Celtics would increase their hate level, lol... |
No max even with stretching Deng now? |
If Magic/Pelinka can convince Hayward to come here, then work out a sign and trade (assuming they still are legal with the latest CBA). Good thing salaries do not have to match since Lakers have about $19M in cap.
I would send Utah JC + TBlack for Hayward. It is a nice consolation prize for the Jazz for helping with the signing. They will get nothing from Boston or Miami. |
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LakerFan1972
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| governator wrote: | | underdogsgv wrote: | Read somewhere that Hayward is waiting to see if Utah re-signs George Hill. If they do, Hayward probably stays.
Also, if Chris Paul stays with the Clippers, I don't see why Griffin bolts to somewhere like Miami. Playing with CP3 has to be more optimal for him than playing with Dragic, unless CP3 is more overbearing than everyone thinks.
Only way Griffin leaves is if the Clips lowball him |
Rumors is Blake hates playing with CP3 |
You never see Blake in any of CP3's State Farm commercials. Only DJ, so I would believe there is something not right between the two. |
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Rumor is everyone hates CP3  |
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Fruscas
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| epak wrote: | | Rumor is everyone hates CP3 |
that's not really a rumor,dude is always barking and whining at everyone, from the refs to his coach and teammates. Like if kobe was talking all the time |
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LakerSD
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| Fruscas wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Rumor is everyone hates CP3 |
that's not really a rumor,dude is always barking and whining at everyone, from the refs to his coach and teammates. Like if kobe was talking all the time |
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| vanexelent wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | My predictions...
Kevin Durant - Warriors
Steph Curry - Warriors
Gordon Hayward - Jazz
Blake Griffin - Miami or Houston
Chris Paul - Clippers
Kyle Lowry - San Antonio
Paul Millsap - Miami or Boston
Jrue Holiday - Denver or New Orleans or Indiana
Danilo Gallinari - Indiana
Serge Ibaka - Toronto
Pau Gasol - Golden State
George Hill - Minnesota
Jeff Teague - Denver or New York
Nerlens Noel - Dallas or Chicago
JJ Redick - Philadelphia |
Seems about right. Gasol to GSW though? Interesting. What cap space do they have to offer him? If Spurs trade Aldridge, then Gasol would be needed. |
I think Gasol may take a sweetheart deal with GSW as a ring chaser. They don't have cap space to offer him anything.
I'll change my predictions above. I think both Hayward and Hill stay in Utah. I'll Minnesota as one of the teams that goes after Milsap.
Rubio/Butler/Wiggins/Milsap/Towns... that's a playoff roster, and not a bad one either.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:31 am Post subject: |
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| LakerSanity wrote: | | vanexelent wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | My predictions...
Kevin Durant - Warriors
Steph Curry - Warriors
Gordon Hayward - Jazz
Blake Griffin - Miami or Houston
Chris Paul - Clippers
Kyle Lowry - San Antonio
Paul Millsap - Miami or Boston
Jrue Holiday - Denver or New Orleans or Indiana
Danilo Gallinari - Indiana
Serge Ibaka - Toronto
Pau Gasol - Golden State
George Hill - Minnesota
Jeff Teague - Denver or New York
Nerlens Noel - Dallas or Chicago
JJ Redick - Philadelphia |
Seems about right. Gasol to GSW though? Interesting. What cap space do they have to offer him? If Spurs trade Aldridge, then Gasol would be needed. |
I think Gasol may take a sweetheart deal with GSW as a ring chaser. They don't have cap space to offer him anything.
I'll change my predictions above. I think both Hayward and Hill stay in Utah. I'll Minnesota as one of the teams that goes after Milsap.
Rubio/Butler/Wiggins/Milsap/Towns... that's a playoff roster, and not a bad one either. |
Gasol already has 2 rings, and he opted out of a pretty lucrative deal, pretty sure he's looking for the money... |
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Any chance of getting Jrue Holiday 1+1?
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| 32 wrote: | | Any chance of getting Jrue Holiday 1+1? |
Zero. He and his agent know he's not exactly the healthiest player. He will seek a long term guaranteed contract
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| Pau declined his option with the Spurs to give them flexibility in free agency, and it was a decision they came to together. I'm pretty sure he's going to re-sign with them after the dust settles on a cheaper, long-term deal. |
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| epak wrote: | | Rumor is everyone hates CP3 |
San Antonio would be perfect. I can imagine him just yapping his head off in practice meanwhile Pop and Kawhai are just 
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| Chronicle wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Any chance of getting Jrue Holiday 1+1? |
Zero. He and his agent know he's not exactly the healthiest player. He will seek a long term guaranteed contract |
Any numbers speculated?
I realize that this next comment goes against all that the Lakers hold as Holy in maintaining cap space.
But I would be interested in a longer term contract. If he can be signed for the right price.He is more of a combo G then pure point. Only 27 yrs old and competitive. Provides 16 pts/ 7 assts/ 4 reb / 1.5 st/ 36% 3pt%.
Sod player that would fit the system and mentality the Lakers are trying to develop.. Gives them a legitimate starter to offset Ball's learning curve. Can play beside him as part of the rotation long term.
I know... crazy thought after the Ball press conference but a guard rotation of Holiday, Ball, Clarkson (if he isn't traded) and Hart would be impressive. Maybe even keeping Nwaba and Ennis as third string depth? |
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Deng/Clarkson for melo is something I would still do
Brewer/randle/black/future unprotected pick for pg13
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| governator wrote: | | underdogsgv wrote: | Read somewhere that Hayward is waiting to see if Utah re-signs George Hill. If they do, Hayward probably stays.
Also, if Chris Paul stays with the Clippers, I don't see why Griffin bolts to somewhere like Miami. Playing with CP3 has to be more optimal for him than playing with Dragic, unless CP3 is more overbearing than everyone thinks.
Only way Griffin leaves is if the Clips lowball him |
Rumors is Blake hates playing with CP3 |
I know from very close sources that the hate runs both ways. If Blake comes back to the Clippers, it'll be for strictly financial reasons. |
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LakerLogic
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| Chase.button07 wrote: | Deng/Clarkson for melo is something I would still do
Brewer/randle/black/future unprotected pick for pg13 |
I don't think Phil would want Clarkson. I would take Melo if it meant getting rid of Deng. |
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| Chase.button07 wrote: | Deng/Clarkson for melo is something I would still do
Brewer/randle/black/future unprotected pick for pg13 |
Goodbye 2018 cap space. |
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| Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | Chronicle wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Any chance of getting Jrue Holiday 1+1? |
Zero. He and his agent know he's not exactly the healthiest player. He will seek a long term guaranteed contract |
Any numbers speculated?
I realize that this next comment goes against all that the Lakers hold as Holy in maintaining cap space.
But I would be interested in a longer term contract. If he can be signed for the right price.He is more of a combo G then pure point. Only 27 yrs old and competitive. Provides 16 pts/ 7 assts/ 4 reb / 1.5 st/ 36% 3pt%.
Sod player that would fit the system and mentality the Lakers are trying to develop.. Gives them a legitimate starter to offset Ball's learning curve. Can play beside him as part of the rotation long term.
I know... crazy thought after the Ball press conference but a guard rotation of Holiday, Ball, Clarkson (if he isn't traded) and Hart would be impressive. Maybe even keeping Nwaba and Ennis as third string depth? |
No, that aint happening.
But i gotta give people in this thread props for talking about impossible scenarios for 700 plus pages.
Darren Collison as a rental might be a real possibilty though, maybe shelvin mack or norris cole sign on the cheap, worst case scenario, tyler ennis returns, not many other options out there right now at the point guard position
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We need to find a G/F that can score and it has to be a 1+1 contract if we don't get PG.
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LakerFan1972
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| Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | Chronicle wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Any chance of getting Jrue Holiday 1+1? |
Zero. He and his agent know he's not exactly the healthiest player. He will seek a long term guaranteed contract |
Any numbers speculated?
I realize that this next comment goes against all that the Lakers hold as Holy in maintaining cap space.
But I would be interested in a longer term contract. If he can be signed for the right price.He is more of a combo G then pure point. Only 27 yrs old and competitive. Provides 16 pts/ 7 assts/ 4 reb / 1.5 st/ 36% 3pt%.
Sod player that would fit the system and mentality the Lakers are trying to develop.. Gives them a legitimate starter to offset Ball's learning curve. Can play beside him as part of the rotation long term.
I know... crazy thought after the Ball press conference but a guard rotation of Holiday, Ball, Clarkson (if he isn't traded) and Hart would be impressive. Maybe even keeping Nwaba and Ennis as third string depth? |
It is hard for me to see Lakers adding Holiday at >$12.5M/yr ... a guess on my part given JC is making that much ... after just giving up DLO to clear $20M in capspace. |
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| 32 wrote: | | We need to find a G/F that can score and it has to be a 1+1 contract if we don't get PG. |
Good luck with that. |
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| TheBlackMamba wrote: | | Pau declined his option with the Spurs to give them flexibility in free agency, and it was a decision they came to together. I'm pretty sure he's going to re-sign with them after the dust settles on a cheaper, long-term deal. |
Yea, that's what I heard too. Although it doesn't fit with our plan, I really want Pau retire in Lakers uniform. |
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| 32 wrote: | | We need to find a G/F that can score and it has to be a 1+1 contract if we don't get PG. |
Yeah, i dont know, maybe overpay for a year of cj miles or james johnson, maybe we get a shot at tony snell or jodie meeks. lol, it's slim pickings at free agency this year but im ready to be positively surprised by the lakers,
Maybe we can get someone nice via a fair trade (hopefully)
clarkson and randle might be available |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:21 am Post subject: |
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| LakerSanity wrote: | | vanexelent wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | My predictions...
Kevin Durant - Warriors
Steph Curry - Warriors
Gordon Hayward - Jazz
Blake Griffin - Miami or Houston
Chris Paul - Clippers
Kyle Lowry - San Antonio
Paul Millsap - Miami or Boston
Jrue Holiday - Denver or New Orleans or Indiana
Danilo Gallinari - Indiana
Serge Ibaka - Toronto
Pau Gasol - Golden State
George Hill - Minnesota
Jeff Teague - Denver or New York
Nerlens Noel - Dallas or Chicago
JJ Redick - Philadelphia |
Seems about right. Gasol to GSW though? Interesting. What cap space do they have to offer him? If Spurs trade Aldridge, then Gasol would be needed. |
I think Gasol may take a sweetheart deal with GSW as a ring chaser. They don't have cap space to offer him anything.
I'll change my predictions above. I think both Hayward and Hill stay in Utah. I'll Minnesota as one of the teams that goes after Milsap.
Rubio/Butler/Wiggins/Milsap/Towns... that's a playoff roster, and not a bad one either. |
They don't have enough capspace to go after Milsap. |
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FA Guards that would conceivably take a 1+1
Tyreke Evans
Ty Lawson
Deron Williams
Darren Collison
Brandon Jennings
Langston Galloway
Sergio Rodriguez
Ian Clark
Aaron Brooks
Raymond Felton
With the exception of Rodriguez, Clark, D-Will, these guys are all ball-stoppers. D-Will i could see being brought in to mentor Lonzo and I think that would be a good move. I would also give Sergio Rodriguez a look. Low usage, high assist rate, decent shooter from 3.
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