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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | I would try to trade for MCW with a deal around Lou now. |
What do you think they'd want? |
No idea but him and Monroe have been rumored to be on the trading block |
As long as we don't touch Monroe with a 10 foot pole lol. And obviously I wouldn't give up anyone in the young core for him, but MCW would be a nice get. |
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Jim99187
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| I dont expect any decent signings. scraps only |
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Gordon Hayward would be an interesting piece...
Curry and KD are not leaving GS. If CP3 leaves it's for a team that can win right away.
Mozgov/Zubac/Randle
Randle/Nance/Deng
Ingram/Deng/Hayward
Hayward/Clarkson
Russell/Clarkson
so much versatility. Having said that, I think the best play is to find a way to keep max space for 2018 (Cousins or George or both) |
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ainsley
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2017
1. Try to sign Hayward
2. If Hayward doesn't sign and Randle doesn't show improvement, try to sign Griffin
3. If Hayward doesn't sign and Randle shows significant improvement, punt the cap space into next offseason
2018
1. If we don't land Hayward or Griffin try to sign Boogie or George |
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waterman40
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I like the possibilities MCW we may have a shot at. The two changes I see to the roster is Anthony Brown and Nick Young being gone, replaced by cheap vets or draft pics next year.
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fansincemagic
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| ainsley wrote: | 2017
1. Try to sign Hayward
2. If Hayward doesn't sign and Randle doesn't show improvement, try to sign Griffin
3. If Hayward doesn't sign and Randle shows significant improvement, punt the cap space into next offseason
2018
1. If we don't land Hayward or Griffin try to sign Boogie or George |
Young talent over fit, offer max to both and if it's Blake so be it. |
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YSong
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| Can Lakers still trade for Russell Westbrook? I don't know why he signed for more years with OKC |
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fansincemagic
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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| waterman40 wrote: | | I like the possibilities MCW we may have a shot at. The two changes I see to the roster is Anthony Brown and Nick Young being gone, replaced by cheap vets or draft pics next year. |
That's a quick start on Man Crush Wednesday, but I'd like to see them add someone like that #5 kid from the Bucks. Seriously though, I'm sure the FO will put a perimeter defender as a high priority. They almost pulled off Bazemore, look for them to target a similar player. |
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dcarter4kobe
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Give me Tony Allen and Taj Gibson on large 1 year deals and I'm happy.
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yinoma2001
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2014/15 offseasons we shamelessly went after the superstar names and punted when we failed.
2016 offseason we immediately went after lower tier veterans, likely b/c we knew the top names weren't coming.
I'm at a complete loss as to how 2017 will go. Will we follow the 2014/15 model or the 2016 model?
Will we try to offer large 1 year deals to preserve cap space for 2018?
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gooner
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | 2014/15 offseasons we shamelessly went after the superstar names and punted when we failed.
2016 offseason we immediately went after lower tier veterans, likely b/c we knew the top names weren't coming.
I'm at a complete loss as to how 2017 will go. Will we follow the 2014/15 model or the 2016 model?
Will we try to offer large 1 year deals to preserve cap space for 2018? |
Probably depends on how successful the 2016-17 season is. |
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| gooner wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | 2014/15 offseasons we shamelessly went after the superstar names and punted when we failed.
2016 offseason we immediately went after lower tier veterans, likely b/c we knew the top names weren't coming.
I'm at a complete loss as to how 2017 will go. Will we follow the 2014/15 model or the 2016 model?
Will we try to offer large 1 year deals to preserve cap space for 2018? |
Probably depends on how successful the 2016-17 season is. |
Punt |
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gooner
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| pio2u wrote: | | gooner wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | 2014/15 offseasons we shamelessly went after the superstar names and punted when we failed.
2016 offseason we immediately went after lower tier veterans, likely b/c we knew the top names weren't coming.
I'm at a complete loss as to how 2017 will go. Will we follow the 2014/15 model or the 2016 model?
Will we try to offer large 1 year deals to preserve cap space for 2018? |
Probably depends on how successful the 2016-17 season is. |
Punt |
Positive outlook huh? |
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| gooner wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | 2014/15 offseasons we shamelessly went after the superstar names and punted when we failed.
2016 offseason we immediately went after lower tier veterans, likely b/c we knew the top names weren't coming.
I'm at a complete loss as to how 2017 will go. Will we follow the 2014/15 model or the 2016 model?
Will we try to offer large 1 year deals to preserve cap space for 2018? |
Probably depends on how successful the 2016-17 season is. |
Assuming we are a bottom 5 team, and say we don't get a top 3 pick, we'd have 31-32m in cap space, and as soon as the draft is over, IIRC, we could package a 2018 1st, and we'd also have 2 2018 2nd rounders.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | gooner wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | 2014/15 offseasons we shamelessly went after the superstar names and punted when we failed.
2016 offseason we immediately went after lower tier veterans, likely b/c we knew the top names weren't coming.
I'm at a complete loss as to how 2017 will go. Will we follow the 2014/15 model or the 2016 model?
Will we try to offer large 1 year deals to preserve cap space for 2018? |
Probably depends on how successful the 2016-17 season is. |
Assuming we are a bottom 5 team, and say we don't get a top 3 pick, we'd have 31-32m in cap space, and as soon as the draft is over, IIRC, we could package a 2018 1st, and we'd also have 2 2018 2nd rounders. |
So you are saying worst case scenario we trade to improve and go after FA's in 2018? Reasonable for sure. Just don't want to assume we will be a bottom 5 team. At least for the preseason. |
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| gooner wrote: | | pio2u wrote: | | gooner wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | 2014/15 offseasons we shamelessly went after the superstar names and punted when we failed.
2016 offseason we immediately went after lower tier veterans, likely b/c we knew the top names weren't coming.
I'm at a complete loss as to how 2017 will go. Will we follow the 2014/15 model or the 2016 model?
Will we try to offer large 1 year deals to preserve cap space for 2018? |
Probably depends on how successful the 2016-17 season is. |
Punt |
Positive outlook huh? |
"Realistic speculation"  |
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| gooner wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | gooner wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | 2014/15 offseasons we shamelessly went after the superstar names and punted when we failed.
2016 offseason we immediately went after lower tier veterans, likely b/c we knew the top names weren't coming.
I'm at a complete loss as to how 2017 will go. Will we follow the 2014/15 model or the 2016 model?
Will we try to offer large 1 year deals to preserve cap space for 2018? |
Probably depends on how successful the 2016-17 season is. |
Assuming we are a bottom 5 team, and say we don't get a top 3 pick, we'd have 31-32m in cap space, and as soon as the draft is over, IIRC, we could package a 2018 1st, and we'd also have 2 2018 2nd rounders. |
So you are saying worst case scenario we trade to improve and go after FA's in 2018? Reasonable for sure. Just don't want to assume we will be a bottom 5 team. At least for the preseason. |
As much as I hate to even lean that way, it's not an unfair prediction. And this thread is not about predicting our results, though I think it's incredibly important to show prospective FAs that this team isn't a joke. Put simply, you can finish bottom 5 like last year, or you can finish bottom 5 this year, but show tremendous signs of improvement with a young core and new coach.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | gooner wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | gooner wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | 2014/15 offseasons we shamelessly went after the superstar names and punted when we failed.
2016 offseason we immediately went after lower tier veterans, likely b/c we knew the top names weren't coming.
I'm at a complete loss as to how 2017 will go. Will we follow the 2014/15 model or the 2016 model?
Will we try to offer large 1 year deals to preserve cap space for 2018? |
Probably depends on how successful the 2016-17 season is. |
Assuming we are a bottom 5 team, and say we don't get a top 3 pick, we'd have 31-32m in cap space, and as soon as the draft is over, IIRC, we could package a 2018 1st, and we'd also have 2 2018 2nd rounders. |
So you are saying worst case scenario we trade to improve and go after FA's in 2018? Reasonable for sure. Just don't want to assume we will be a bottom 5 team. At least for the preseason. |
As much as I hate to even lean that way, it's not an unfair prediction. And this thread is not about predicting our results, though I think it's incredibly important to show prospective FAs that this team isn't a joke. Put simply, you can finish bottom 5 like last year, or you can finish bottom 5 this year, but
show tremendous signs of improvement with a young core and new coach. |
This is a Must & it is the bottom line ..... period!! |
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| pio2u wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | gooner wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | gooner wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | 2014/15 offseasons we shamelessly went after the superstar names and punted when we failed.
2016 offseason we immediately went after lower tier veterans, likely b/c we knew the top names weren't coming.
I'm at a complete loss as to how 2017 will go. Will we follow the 2014/15 model or the 2016 model?
Will we try to offer large 1 year deals to preserve cap space for 2018? |
Probably depends on how successful the 2016-17 season is. |
Assuming we are a bottom 5 team, and say we don't get a top 3 pick, we'd have 31-32m in cap space, and as soon as the draft is over, IIRC, we could package a 2018 1st, and we'd also have 2 2018 2nd rounders. |
So you are saying worst case scenario we trade to improve and go after FA's in 2018? Reasonable for sure. Just don't want to assume we will be a bottom 5 team. At least for the preseason. |
As much as I hate to even lean that way, it's not an unfair prediction. And this thread is not about predicting our results, though I think it's incredibly important to show prospective FAs that this team isn't a joke. Put simply, you can finish bottom 5 like last year, or you can finish bottom 5 this year, but
show tremendous signs of improvement with a young core and new coach. |
This is a Must & it is the bottom line ..... period!! |
As I read through this post my thoughts were that it is difficult to predict what the Lakers will need in player additions until we see what they are capable of producing this year.
Half the expected roster has two years or less experience. How do they develop? How much do they improve?
Are the Lakers targeting George if Ingram shows signs of being the player we hope he can be. Same concept with chasing Cousins, Ibaka or Westbrook if Russell, Clarkson, Randle, Nance or even Zubac show improvement over the next couple years.
If current players develop into the "stars" in this system then any cap is going to them. At least that is my optimistic opinion on how this plays out. I am continuing to hope the discussions start turning to how the Lakers keep their players instead of which ones to chase after.
Love some of the role/ bench player suggestions but the core group I want to remain intact for a few years if possible.
Just seems premature to start planning the next free agent moves until we see how the young core improves and buys in to the Walton system. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | 2014/15 offseasons we shamelessly went after the superstar names and punted when we failed.
2016 offseason we immediately went after lower tier veterans, likely b/c we knew the top names weren't coming.
I'm at a complete loss as to how 2017 will go. Will we follow the 2014/15 model or the 2016 model?
Will we try to offer large 1 year deals to preserve cap space for 2018? |
even with young player development we are bound to finish last 3 in league.
i dont expect any decent signings after last summer. |
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I keep thinking the Lakers would be interested in Blake Griffin or Serge Ibaka as max players. Both present issues but just preliminary thoughts.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | I keep thinking the Lakers would be interested in Blake Griffin or Serge Ibaka as max players. Both present issues but just preliminary thoughts. |
Curious what type of production or development you would want to see from Randle and Nance this season to diminish the interest in either max player. |
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| Jim99187 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | 2014/15 offseasons we shamelessly went after the superstar names and punted when we failed.
2016 offseason we immediately went after lower tier veterans, likely b/c we knew the top names weren't coming.
I'm at a complete loss as to how 2017 will go. Will we follow the 2014/15 model or the 2016 model?
Will we try to offer large 1 year deals to preserve cap space for 2018? |
even with young player development we are bound to finish last 3 in league.
i dont expect any decent signings after last summer. |
Yeah. I expect modest but productive signings, with the hope of carving enough cap space for 2018 (though we don't know what the new CBA will be).
I do think we will take a shot at Griffin/Ibaka, assuming good health. If CP3 stays, I wonder if Blake would consider coming to the Lakers to have his own team.
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| Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | I keep thinking the Lakers would be interested in Blake Griffin or Serge Ibaka as max players. Both present issues but just preliminary thoughts. |
Curious what type of production or development you would want to see from Randle and Nance this season to diminish the interest in either max player. |
I think it's more dependent on Blake's production, and whether he wants to leave the Clips. If he's interested in the lakers, I wouldn't be surprised at all.
Ibaka, I see him as a stretch big guy that may interest the Lakers. Orlando may keep him, but they just spent a boatload on FAs.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | I keep thinking the Lakers would be interested in Blake Griffin or Serge Ibaka as max players. Both present issues but just preliminary thoughts. |
Curious what type of production or development you would want to see from Randle and Nance this season to diminish the interest in either max player. |
I think it's more dependent on Blake's production, and whether he wants to leave the Clips. If he's interested in the lakers, I wouldn't be surprised at all.
Ibaka, I see him as a stretch big guy that may interest the Lakers. Orlando may keep him, but they just spent a boatload on FAs. |
I understand the added production and experience of either Griffin or Ibaka.
IMO Randle and Nance show little flashes of developing into similar players. Long way from being there but flashes. 
IMO if Randle was able to be a bit more Alpha, play defense and improve his jumpshot he is closing the gap on Blake. Question is can he be more efficient and be a reliable 21/8 player?
And Nance's defensive impact aided by improved range possibly close the gap on Ibaka?
If they start closing the gaps perhaps the Lakers will not need to use a max salary on either Griffin or Ibaka.
Big question is can either improve enough to make us forget about the older pros? |
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