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fontana3d
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| Bard207 wrote: | | LAkers 4 Life wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | Here's something that may actually be realistic:
Lakers In: Dwayne Wade and Robin Lopez (+$7,588,500)
Lakers Out: Luol Deng, Jordan Clarkson, Ivica Zubac, 2019 Chicago SRP and 2020 Lakers FRP.
Chicago In: Luol Deng, Jordan Clarkson, Ivica Zubac, 2019 Chicago SRP and 2020 Lakers FRP. (-$7,588,500)
Chicago Out: Dwayne Wade and Robin Lopez
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yblnbbku
Why does Chicago do it? They instantly save $7,588,500 this season, they get a good prospect in Zubac, they get a good player in Clarkson, they get a vet in Deng beloved by Chicago fans, and they get two draft picks (including their own which should be a high second round pick). In 2018, because of trading Lopez, they only take on $17 million in additional salary, which will still keep them under the luxury tax and which won't matter to them because they'll still be tanking anyway.
Why do the Lakers do it? Salary cap relief and Wade for one season. In 2018, Lopez will only have 1 more year left. We can then stretch him, which would equal $4.6 million over 3 years. That means that we would instantly save about $3 million more than we would save stretching Deng. In total, after stretching Lopez, this trade would give us about $27 million in cap relief as compared to only $23 million if we traded Clarkson (without receiving anything back) and stretching Deng. That would put us only about $2 million short of a max deal for both Lebron and George, or over the line to get us two max slots for George and a younger max. Plus, if we don't want to stretch Lopez, we still may be able to trade him as an expiring contract because he would only have 1 year left as opposed to Deng's 2 years at a higher price.
PLUS, the Lopez twins would be reunited for at least one year! |
No draft picks in the trade. Lakers need as many assets as they can hoard. |
Taking the picks out of the trade makes it highly unlikely it will happen.
Go ahead with hoarding the picks along with Deng and Clarkson as well. |
Well what do you expect them to do. What if the two max free agents don't come and we are still a lottery team? |
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| babyskyhook wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | Quote: | Tania GanguliVerified account @taniaganguli 51s51 seconds ago
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Unless something changes, Ian Clark is not in the mix for the Lakers anymore, a source said. It's unlikely that changes. |
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Welp. There you go. |
Hmm I wonder why tbh. Seems like a great fit with Lonzo/Luke. |
The fact that Luke is so familiar with him and they didn't sign him says something.
Or maybe it just comes down to Ennis being a better fit and they want to keep a spot open for someone like Shabazz if he strikes out on better deals. |
Or maybe he wants a contract the Lakers won't offer.
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I can't stop checking this thread  Habit. |
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AFireInside619
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| mookielala wrote: | | I can't stop checking this thread Habit. |
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| mookielala wrote: | | I can't stop checking this thread Habit. |
Next summer's theme is gonna be "fireworks". Next years FA thread might reach 8,000 pages. |
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AFireInside619
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | mookielala wrote: | | I can't stop checking this thread Habit. |
Next summer's theme is gonna be "fireworks". Next years FA thread might reach 8,000 pages. |
Whoa. You're back!  |
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AY2043
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| fontana3d wrote: | | Bard207 wrote: | | LAkers 4 Life wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | Here's something that may actually be realistic:
Lakers In: Dwayne Wade and Robin Lopez (+$7,588,500)
Lakers Out: Luol Deng, Jordan Clarkson, Ivica Zubac, 2019 Chicago SRP and 2020 Lakers FRP.
Chicago In: Luol Deng, Jordan Clarkson, Ivica Zubac, 2019 Chicago SRP and 2020 Lakers FRP. (-$7,588,500)
Chicago Out: Dwayne Wade and Robin Lopez
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yblnbbku
Why does Chicago do it? They instantly save $7,588,500 this season, they get a good prospect in Zubac, they get a good player in Clarkson, they get a vet in Deng beloved by Chicago fans, and they get two draft picks (including their own which should be a high second round pick). In 2018, because of trading Lopez, they only take on $17 million in additional salary, which will still keep them under the luxury tax and which won't matter to them because they'll still be tanking anyway.
Why do the Lakers do it? Salary cap relief and Wade for one season. In 2018, Lopez will only have 1 more year left. We can then stretch him, which would equal $4.6 million over 3 years. That means that we would instantly save about $3 million more than we would save stretching Deng. In total, after stretching Lopez, this trade would give us about $27 million in cap relief as compared to only $23 million if we traded Clarkson (without receiving anything back) and stretching Deng. That would put us only about $2 million short of a max deal for both Lebron and George, or over the line to get us two max slots for George and a younger max. Plus, if we don't want to stretch Lopez, we still may be able to trade him as an expiring contract because he would only have 1 year left as opposed to Deng's 2 years at a higher price.
PLUS, the Lopez twins would be reunited for at least one year! |
No draft picks in the trade. Lakers need as many assets as they can hoard. |
Taking the picks out of the trade makes it highly unlikely it will happen.
Go ahead with hoarding the picks along with Deng and Clarkson as well. |
Well what do you expect them to do. What if the two max free agents don't come and we are still a lottery team? |
Then we lose a lotto pick in 2020? No big deal imo, it's not like we'd be mortgaging our future. And it shouldn't be a high lotto pick if Lonzo and BI are as good as we think they are anyways. |
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AY2043
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| LAkers 4 Life wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | Here's something that may actually be realistic:
Lakers In: Dwayne Wade and Robin Lopez (+$7,588,500)
Lakers Out: Luol Deng, Jordan Clarkson, Ivica Zubac, 2019 Chicago SRP and 2020 Lakers FRP.
Chicago In: Luol Deng, Jordan Clarkson, Ivica Zubac, 2019 Chicago SRP and 2020 Lakers FRP. (-$7,588,500)
Chicago Out: Dwayne Wade and Robin Lopez
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yblnbbku
Why does Chicago do it? They instantly save $7,588,500 this season, they get a good prospect in Zubac, they get a good player in Clarkson, they get a vet in Deng beloved by Chicago fans, and they get two draft picks (including their own which should be a high second round pick). In 2018, because of trading Lopez, they only take on $17 million in additional salary, which will still keep them under the luxury tax and which won't matter to them because they'll still be tanking anyway.
Why do the Lakers do it? Salary cap relief and Wade for one season. In 2018, Lopez will only have 1 more year left. We can then stretch him, which would equal $4.6 million over 3 years. That means that we would instantly save about $3 million more than we would save stretching Deng. In total, after stretching Lopez, this trade would give us about $27 million in cap relief as compared to only $23 million if we traded Clarkson (without receiving anything back) and stretching Deng. That would put us only about $2 million short of a max deal for both Lebron and George, or over the line to get us two max slots for George and a younger max. Plus, if we don't want to stretch Lopez, we still may be able to trade him as an expiring contract because he would only have 1 year left as opposed to Deng's 2 years at a higher price.
PLUS, the Lopez twins would be reunited for at least one year! |
No draft picks in the trade. Lakers need as many assets as they can hoard. |
We already have, wha, 7 guys on the team that we have drafted with late first rounders or 2nd rounders over the past 3 years? The marginal benefit of adding more of those guys is relatively small.
I really like that deal, LS. |
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Bard207
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| fontana3d wrote: | | Bard207 wrote: | | LAkers 4 Life wrote: |
No draft picks in the trade. Lakers need as many assets as they can hoard. |
Taking the picks out of the trade makes it highly unlikely it will happen.
Go ahead with hoarding the picks along with Deng and Clarkson as well. |
Well what do you expect them to do. What if the two max free agents don't come and we are still a lottery team? |
Cap space will be an issue for multiple teams until the overly generous 2016 contracts are cleared from the landscape. If they have to, the Lakers could punt again and take in bad contracts with picks attached to offset what was sent out to move Deng.
They will also have some serious pushback coming from the fanbase and it won't be just for using assets to move Deng's contract.
There was talk that they (Magic, Jeanie and Pelinka) would be doing great things since they took total control across the organization. They punted this offseason with the two Max for 2018 plan being a core piece of the turnaround. If they fall far short of doing as they have suggested/promised for July 2018, then they will have frittered away most if not all of their credibility.
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Mini Mamba
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How about this trade to get rid of Deng?
Lakers get:
Greg Monroe
Bucks get:
Wes Matthews
Mavs get:
Luol Deng
Ivica Zubac
LAL 2020 1st
We get Monroe who is an expiring contract and would give us more cap space for 2018. He would also be a good backup for Lopez and a possible trade chip at the deadline.
Bucks need to get some perimeter shooting. Matthews could provide that and he also is familiar with the city having played at Marquette during his college days.
Mavs and Noel are at a stalemate and they don't want to pay him what he is seeking. Zubac is a younger and cheaper alternative and comes without the serious injury history. As compensation for taking on Deng they get a future 1st from us.
Who says no? |
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[Let's not focus on posters, such as IG. Let's stay focused on the thread. Thank you. - LS]
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Lucky_Shot
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| Ennis is a good sign It's nice when the FO has a vision and they try to stick to it |
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| Lucky_Shot wrote: | | Ennis is a good sign It's nice when the FO has a vision and they try to stick to it |
yep totally agree. stick to what they really envision |
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| FYI since Medina and Ganguli mentioned using the last option to invite a player to training camp. someone on twitter bought up a theory to bring in Bass and Farmar as 2 guys who will give our players some sweat during pre season, does anyone else think it's a good idea to bring in a vet to training camp to see if they Impress? |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | FYI since Medina and Ganguli mentioned using the last option to invite a player to training camp. someone on twitter bought up a theory to bring in Bass and Farmar as 2 guys who will give our players some sweat during pre season, does anyone else think it's a good idea to bring in a vet to training camp to see if they Impress? |
I think the contenders are Vander Blue, Travis Wear, PJ Dozier and Gabe York. |
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| epak wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | FYI since Medina and Ganguli mentioned using the last option to invite a player to training camp. someone on twitter bought up a theory to bring in Bass and Farmar as 2 guys who will give our players some sweat during pre season, does anyone else think it's a good idea to bring in a vet to training camp to see if they Impress? |
I think the contenders are Vander Blue, Travis Wear, PJ Dozier and Gabe York. |
agree with blue, pJ but York is pretty terrible
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| Chase.button07 wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | FYI since Medina and Ganguli mentioned using the last option to invite a player to training camp. someone on twitter bought up a theory to bring in Bass and Farmar as 2 guys who will give our players some sweat during pre season, does anyone else think it's a good idea to bring in a vet to training camp to see if they Impress? |
I think the contenders are Vander Blue, Travis Wear, PJ Dozier and Gabe York. |
agree with blue, pJ but York is pretty terrible |
No argument there.
He has nice gelled hair though lol |
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| epak wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | FYI since Medina and Ganguli mentioned using the last option to invite a player to training camp. someone on twitter bought up a theory to bring in Bass and Farmar as 2 guys who will give our players some sweat during pre season, does anyone else think it's a good idea to bring in a vet to training camp to see if they Impress? |
I think the contenders are Vander Blue, Travis Wear, PJ Dozier and Gabe York. |
What about Quinn Cook? A lot of people seem to think he's a real talented player. |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | FYI since Medina and Ganguli mentioned using the last option to invite a player to training camp. someone on twitter bought up a theory to bring in Bass and Farmar as 2 guys who will give our players some sweat during pre season, does anyone else think it's a good idea to bring in a vet to training camp to see if they Impress? |
I think the contenders are Vander Blue, Travis Wear, PJ Dozier and Gabe York. |
What about Quinn Cook? A lot of people seem to think he's a real talented player. |
He was killing it in the d league.
What do u think prevents him from getting mins? |
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| PG13 wrote: | | Car54 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | 32 wrote: | @MarkG_Medina
| Quote: | | Lakers keeping options open on how they fill last roster spot. But they do like idea of keeping spot open for flexibility purposes. |
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Seems like the Lakers are waiting to see if Chicago buys out Wade. |
Smh he's back. What interest would LA have in Wade? |
The Lakers interest was already reported on Wade. It was on ESPN like last week. |
Don't believe everything you read besides I doubt he has any value beyond his expiring contract for us. And in the situation that IGnwas speaking it's makes no sense.
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| epak wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | FYI since Medina and Ganguli mentioned using the last option to invite a player to training camp. someone on twitter bought up a theory to bring in Bass and Farmar as 2 guys who will give our players some sweat during pre season, does anyone else think it's a good idea to bring in a vet to training camp to see if they Impress? |
I think the contenders are Vander Blue, Travis Wear, PJ Dozier and Gabe York. |
What about Quinn Cook? A lot of people seem to think he's a real talented player. |
He was killing it in the d league.
What do u think prevents him from getting mins? |
It's worth the risk. |
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Who would have been worse on the Lakers? Wade or Rose?
They would have been great prior to 2014. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | Who would have been worse on the Lakers? Wade or Rose?
They would have been great prior to 2014. |
Wade imo
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| Car54 wrote: | | PG13 wrote: | | Car54 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | 32 wrote: | @MarkG_Medina
| Quote: | | Lakers keeping options open on how they fill last roster spot. But they do like idea of keeping spot open for flexibility purposes. |
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Seems like the Lakers are waiting to see if Chicago buys out Wade. |
Smh he's back. What interest would LA have in Wade? |
The Lakers interest was already reported on Wade. It was on ESPN like last week. |
Don't believe everything you read besides I doubt he has any value beyond his expiring contract for us. And in the situation that IGnwas speaking it's makes no sense. |
His value besides his exp contract would be helping us recruits star FAs and adding winning experience in a log jam Young roster. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | Who would have been worse on the Lakers? Wade or Rose?
They would have been great prior to 2014. |
Deng
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