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Inspector Gadget
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rogers49
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Dr. Funkbot wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | If there was a way to get PG13 here without a 2nd star, i'd be open to it.
Would be PG13 + 2 out of Jules/Brook/KCP.
But it seems PG13 doesn't want to come here without a 2nd current star. |
I think this is the most likely outcome unless we want to do something drastic with Deng's contract.
IMO between Ingram, Ball and KFC and or Lopez there should be enough star power here in LA to lure PG. Plus you get to play for Luke who is a good players coach.
IMO Ball is going to change the atmosphere of the team and make it a desirable destination again.
Some of it will depend on how well PG gets along with the MVP. If Westrbook hogs the bill like he did with KD, I think PG will look to leave. But they might hit it off. Who knows at this point! |
Westbrook hogged the ball with KD?  He will get George some incredible looks. |
Yes he did, and Durant went away from him. |
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Nah, I think we are done. Unless they have a trade brewing.
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | I wonder if Trey Burke is a option? |
I think whoever they sign will be to non-guaranteed contracts so eventually the guaranteed contracts won't be available and players, including Burke, will have to sign to non-guaranteed contracts. |
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rogers49
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| Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:03 am Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | I wonder if Trey Burke is a option? |
Team is done, no more signings. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:07 am Post subject: |
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| rogers49 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | I wonder if Trey Burke is a option? |
Team is done, no more signings. |
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | When I look up Nance and Randle's numbers... it backs up what most of you are saying... that LNJ's better as a backup... not sure if he's a starter.
But I think if Ball is the real thing, Nance's athleticism and defense might better complement Ball. We won't know this until pre season... but I have a feeling Nance might flourish the most, provided he's given adequate minutes.
I know Julius is strong and fast... but it just seems like Nance is better suited to be a Worthy type finisher on the break. Also, I think Nance in general just lacks confidence and swagger... if he played with the same mentality that Julius did, I think he'd be an even better player. |
It's funny because, though I agree that Nance might be a better player if he played with the same mentality; aggressive, physical, seeks to impose his will on his opponent, as JR, it's also evident that Julius would be a better complement for Ball, and the rest, if he had the same mentality; unselfish to a fault, defensively sharp, practices the fundamentals like setting solid screens, as Nance. |
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Briante Weber waived by Charlotte. Worth a training camp invite?
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Briante Weber waived by Charlotte. Worth a training camp invite? |
I've never seen him play admittedly, but just looked up his bio...he's 24, 1-15 lifetime from 3 point range. Is he a defensive beast? What would lead you to think he'd be worthy of an invite? |
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| Dr. Funkbot wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | True Lakers Fan wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | True Lakers Fan wrote: | | Hypothetically, if we can attach Randle to Deng, is Nance capable starting? |
Not if you want to win. |
Yeah, that's what I thought too. I just wanted to throw it out there. |
Great as a backup though |
probably the most overrated Laker player on LG....not saying he is bad, but at his best, he is getting rotation minutes on a mediocre team. |
Nance and Kuz can hold down the PF spot. Defense would be much improved.
Plus if we are getting either or Lebron and PG, they can both man the 4 spot. |
Lebron is destined to move there. The league gets smaller every year.
"Double digit" rebounding is an overrated attribute, anyway. I can't believe people still clamor over it in 2017. |
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| Fortysixn2 wrote: | | Is he a defensive beast? |
not sure if he is a beast, but he is pretty good on defense |
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| Quote: | | Ramon Sessions, Knicks Reportedly Finalizing 1-Year Contract |
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| Fortysixn2 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Briante Weber waived by Charlotte. Worth a training camp invite? |
I've never seen him play admittedly, but just looked up his bio...he's 24, 1-15 lifetime from 3 point range. Is he a defensive beast? What would lead you to think he'd be worthy of an invite? |
Had a rep as a good defender. A bit light weight-wise.
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| Chase.button07 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: |
I think guys who will be cheap surrounding pieces around 2 max/LonzoGram are Nance/Hart/Bryant/Zub/Kuz.
JC and Jules are or will get expensive. My bet is that Jules will make a case to stay on the team more than JC this year. Chances are both may be gone regardless. |
Precisely why these will be the pieces other teams ask for if we're trying to dump Deng, as opposed to Julius or Clarkson.
Something I frequently see neglected in all of these future move predictions. Deng likely gets stretched me thinks...carry on |
not really. D Carroll was traded for a protected 1st and a 2nd. Thats what Deng's value will be. add chicago's 2nd round pick and its good |
Doesn't Carroll have 1 less year? |
30m for 2 years @15m each
Deng's case: 36m for 2 years @18m each |
Maybe things will be the same for a Deng trade and perhaps they will be different.
This spring, the Nets had:
* Lopez as an expiring contract ($22,642,350)
* Nicholson with three years ($6,362,998 | $6,637,002 | $6,911,007)
After their trades in June and July:
* Mozgov for three seasons ($15,280,000 | $16,000,000 | $16,720,000)
* DMC with two seasons ($14,800,000 | $15,400,000)
* Crabbe with three seasons ($19,332,500 | $18,500,000 | $18,500,000 - Player Option)
The first and second that was included with DMC could be a general guideline, but don't use it as a definite price/cost going forward because things in 2018 aren't going to be exactly the same as they were in summer 2017. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | Per SHAMWOW, Ramon Sessions, 1 year deal at minimum to the Knicks.
Pretty slim pickings and a huge difference from 2016. Almost wish we never had 2 max slots for 2016.  |
Me too!
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| Dr. Funkbot wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Per SHAMWOW, Ramon Sessions, 1 year deal at minimum to the Knicks.
Pretty slim pickings and a huge difference from 2016. Almost wish we never had 2 max slots for 2016. |
Me too! |
In 2016 Sessions probably gets 2 years, 8m/year.
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I've never seen him play admittedly, but just looked up his bio...he's 24, 1-15 lifetime from 3 point range. Is he a defensive beast? What would lead you to think he'd be worthy of an invite? |
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Yup. Warriors briefly had him. His calling card is defense though he's not a shooter.
Quinn Cook/Demetrius Jackson i would also consider for a camp invite.
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| LakerDYnasty72 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | When I look up Nance and Randle's numbers... it backs up what most of you are saying... that LNJ's better as a backup... not sure if he's a starter.
But I think if Ball is the real thing, Nance's athleticism and defense might better complement Ball. We won't know this until pre season... but I have a feeling Nance might flourish the most, provided he's given adequate minutes.
I know Julius is strong and fast... but it just seems like Nance is better suited to be a Worthy type finisher on the break. Also, I think Nance in general just lacks confidence and swagger... if he played with the same mentality that Julius did, I think he'd be an even better player. |
It's funny because, though I agree that Nance might be a better player if he played with the same mentality; aggressive, physical, seeks to impose his will on his opponent, as JR, it's also evident that Julius would be a better complement for Ball, and the rest, if he had the same mentality; unselfish to a fault, defensively sharp, practices the fundamentals like setting solid screens, as Nance. |
Yes, I agree with that... the blend of the two would be a perfect player.
The question is, would it be easier to turn Nance into Randle or vice versa? Personally, I believe Larry can learn confidence more easily than Julius can learn discipline... but I guess time will answer this for us... barring a trade. |
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| Sentient Meat wrote: | | LakerDYnasty72 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | When I look up Nance and Randle's numbers... it backs up what most of you are saying... that LNJ's better as a backup... not sure if he's a starter.
But I think if Ball is the real thing, Nance's athleticism and defense might better complement Ball. We won't know this until pre season... but I have a feeling Nance might flourish the most, provided he's given adequate minutes.
I know Julius is strong and fast... but it just seems like Nance is better suited to be a Worthy type finisher on the break. Also, I think Nance in general just lacks confidence and swagger... if he played with the same mentality that Julius did, I think he'd be an even better player. |
It's funny because, though I agree that Nance might be a better player if he played with the same mentality; aggressive, physical, seeks to impose his will on his opponent, as JR, it's also evident that Julius would be a better complement for Ball, and the rest, if he had the same mentality; unselfish to a fault, defensively sharp, practices the fundamentals like setting solid screens, as Nance. |
Yes, I agree with that... the blend of the two would be a perfect player.
The question is, would it be easier to turn Nance into Randle or vice versa? Personally, I believe Larry can learn confidence more easily than Julius can learn discipline... but I guess time will answer this for us... barring a trade. |
Neither we already have Kuzma who is basically the best compliment player alongside Ball. He runs, he shoots, he defends.
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| rogers49 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Dr. Funkbot wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | If there was a way to get PG13 here without a 2nd star, i'd be open to it.
Would be PG13 + 2 out of Jules/Brook/KCP.
But it seems PG13 doesn't want to come here without a 2nd current star. |
I think this is the most likely outcome unless we want to do something drastic with Deng's contract.
IMO between Ingram, Ball and KFC and or Lopez there should be enough star power here in LA to lure PG. Plus you get to play for Luke who is a good players coach.
IMO Ball is going to change the atmosphere of the team and make it a desirable destination again.
Some of it will depend on how well PG gets along with the MVP. If Westrbook hogs the bill like he did with KD, I think PG will look to leave. But they might hit it off. Who knows at this point! |
Westbrook hogged the ball with KD? He will get George some incredible looks. |
Yes he did, and Durant went away from him. |
Durant went to a title team, he has said so repeatedly.
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| greenfrog wrote: | | Dr. Funkbot wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | True Lakers Fan wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | True Lakers Fan wrote: | | Hypothetically, if we can attach Randle to Deng, is Nance capable starting? |
Not if you want to win. |
Yeah, that's what I thought too. I just wanted to throw it out there. |
Great as a backup though |
probably the most overrated Laker player on LG....not saying he is bad, but at his best, he is getting rotation minutes on a mediocre team. |
Nance and Kuz can hold down the PF spot. Defense would be much improved.
Plus if we are getting either or Lebron and PG, they can both man the 4 spot. |
Lebron is destined to move there. The league gets smaller every year.
"Double digit" rebounding is an overrated attribute, anyway. I can't believe people still clamor over it in 2017. |
That is because it is important, every rebound you don't get is a TO. You don't think possessions matter?
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| Nash Vegas wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | | LakerDYnasty72 wrote: | | Sentient Meat wrote: | When I look up Nance and Randle's numbers... it backs up what most of you are saying... that LNJ's better as a backup... not sure if he's a starter.
But I think if Ball is the real thing, Nance's athleticism and defense might better complement Ball. We won't know this until pre season... but I have a feeling Nance might flourish the most, provided he's given adequate minutes.
I know Julius is strong and fast... but it just seems like Nance is better suited to be a Worthy type finisher on the break. Also, I think Nance in general just lacks confidence and swagger... if he played with the same mentality that Julius did, I think he'd be an even better player. |
It's funny because, though I agree that Nance might be a better player if he played with the same mentality; aggressive, physical, seeks to impose his will on his opponent, as JR, it's also evident that Julius would be a better complement for Ball, and the rest, if he had the same mentality; unselfish to a fault, defensively sharp, practices the fundamentals like setting solid screens, as Nance. |
Yes, I agree with that... the blend of the two would be a perfect player.
The question is, would it be easier to turn Nance into Randle or vice versa? Personally, I believe Larry can learn confidence more easily than Julius can learn discipline... but I guess time will answer this for us... barring a trade. |
Neither we already have Kuzma who is basically the best compliment player alongside Ball. He runs, he shoots, he defends. |
He's definitely a promising player. We'll soon find out exactly what we have. |
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Archie Goodwin got waived by the Nets.
Would he be a good pick up? |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Dr. Funkbot wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | True Lakers Fan wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | True Lakers Fan wrote: | | Hypothetically, if we can attach Randle to Deng, is Nance capable starting? |
Not if you want to win. |
Yeah, that's what I thought too. I just wanted to throw it out there. |
Great as a backup though |
probably the most overrated Laker player on LG....not saying he is bad, but at his best, he is getting rotation minutes on a mediocre team. |
Nance and Kuz can hold down the PF spot. Defense would be much improved.
Plus if we are getting either or Lebron and PG, they can both man the 4 spot. |
Lebron is destined to move there. The league gets smaller every year.
"Double digit" rebounding is an overrated attribute, anyway. I can't believe people still clamor over it in 2017. |
That is because it is important, every rebound you don't get is a TO. You don't think possessions matter? |
For sure rebounding is important. But to me Jules is a Kevin Love type player without the spacing. Jules gets boards just like Love, but his tissue soft effort at D to me erases the rebounding numbers.
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