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fontana3d
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| ToastedMuffins wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | He's already a 3 time champion, I see no reason why he would want to go to a contender, Rose was different cause he's never been to the finals, I think we are the favorites to get him. |
how about because he wants to win more.
you know, winning > losing
just a thought |
And how do you figure, that we are some kind of mediocre team next year? If he joins a contender for instance, there is a chance he doesn't get enough minutes and might end up being stuck on the bench like some of the vets that decided to join a contender... remember what happened to T-Mac with the Spurs? |
Wade would definitely start in Cleveland and be given as many minutes as he wants. Neither of those would happen on the Lakers. |
JR Smith has something to say about that and Korver and Shumpert behind him there is no minutes there. |
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venturalakersfan
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| Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| ToastedMuffins wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | He's already a 3 time champion, I see no reason why he would want to go to a contender, Rose was different cause he's never been to the finals, I think we are the favorites to get him. |
how about because he wants to win more.
you know, winning > losing
just a thought |
And how do you figure, that we are some kind of mediocre team next year? If he joins a contender for instance, there is a chance he doesn't get enough minutes and might end up being stuck on the bench like some of the vets that decided to join a contender... remember what happened to T-Mac with the Spurs? |
Wade would definitely start in Cleveland and be given as many minutes as he wants. Neither of those would happen on the Lakers. |
Nor would he contend for a title on the Lakers
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| Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| ToastedMuffins wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | He's already a 3 time champion, I see no reason why he would want to go to a contender, Rose was different cause he's never been to the finals, I think we are the favorites to get him. |
how about because he wants to win more.
you know, winning > losing
just a thought |
And how do you figure, that we are some kind of mediocre team next year? If he joins a contender for instance, there is a chance he doesn't get enough minutes and might end up being stuck on the bench like some of the vets that decided to join a contender... remember what happened to T-Mac with the Spurs? |
Wade would definitely start in Cleveland and be given as many minutes as he wants. Neither of those would happen on the Lakers. |
So you don't include Smith / Krover and Shumpert? He ain't gonna get any consistent minutes there and there is also Rose who might play at the 2 spot in spurts. |
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| Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Cleveland situation is bleak, at least the Lakers have a positive culture around the team, Just cause they got Rose doesn't mean there gonna be collecting a bunch of vets... no one with a mind would want to go to the Cavs with a dark cloud over that franchise. |
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ToastedMuffins
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| Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Cleveland situation is bleak, at least the Lakers have a positive culture around the team, Just cause they got Rose doesn't mean there gonna be collecting a bunch of vets... no one with a mind would want to go to the Cavs with a dark cloud over that franchise. |
Wasn't LeBron James just voted as the one most players want on their team? I think you're greatly underestimating the numbers of players that would choose to play in Cleveland this year if they had the chance. LeBron's in Cleveland for the year at least which is all Wade would join for. Cleveland is still in championship or bust mode as long a LeBron is still on the roster. Any move that Cleveland can make to improve their chances, particularly one that doesn't sacrifice future assets, will be made. |
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kevin61
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| Bard207 wrote: | Here are the numbers with:
* Deng stretch waived over five years
* Clarkson still on the roster
* Randle with his cap hold
Salary Cap
$103,000,000
$30,900,000......Paul George (1)
$30,900,000......D Cousins (2)
$12,500,000......J Clarkson (3)
$7,461,960........L Ball (4)
$5,757,120........B Ingram (5)
$2,272,391........L Nance Jr. (6)
$1,689,840........K Kuzma (7)
$1,655,160........J Hart (8)
$1,544,951........I Zubac (9)
$12,447,727......J Randle -- Cap Hold (10)
$847,773...........Minimum Salary (11)
$847,773...........Minimum Salary (12)
$7,362,000.........L Deng (Stretch waived -- $36,810,000/5)
$0......................B Lopez
$0......................K Caldwell-Pope
$0......................C Brewer
$0......................T Ennis
$0......................T Bryant
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$116,186,695 |
So it's $103.7mil, with two max FA's and either Clarkson or Randle. Can we just leave it at that and forego the page after page of cap scenarios ?
I just don't get some poster's obsession with absolute precision in our cap status.
$60mil is enough to get two players. If there's a player that wants to play for the team, but won't because for the first year he can only get 95% of the max, we don't need him.
CP3 and KD both took a lot bigger cuts than that minuscule amount. If LeBron wants to come to LA, a few million will make no difference to him.
We don't need to get rid of Nance, Zubac, Kuzma or Hart to give an extra million to a guy who will make $150mil in the next four years. |
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venturalakersfan
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| Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| DangeRuss wrote: | | fontana3d wrote: | | MJST wrote: | If you do go with Westbrook and Cousins, no one gets supplemented in the lineup and people can continue to play their natural positions technically, just laying it out it would look like this.
PG: Lonzo Ball
SG: Russell Westbrook
SF: Brandon Ingram
PF: Julius Randle
C: DeMarcus Cousins
you'd essentially be replacing KCP and Lopez with Westbrook and Cousins. |
Or go with the most affordable and younger George and Cousins. |
George and cousins would be my preference |
Whoever we could sign would be my preference
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Bard207
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| Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| kevin61 wrote: | | Bard207 wrote: | Here are the numbers with:
* Deng stretch waived over five years
* Clarkson still on the roster
* Randle with his cap hold
Salary Cap
$103,000,000
$30,900,000......Paul George (1)
$30,900,000......D Cousins (2)
$12,500,000......J Clarkson (3)
$7,461,960........L Ball (4)
$5,757,120........B Ingram (5)
$2,272,391........L Nance Jr. (6)
$1,689,840........K Kuzma (7)
$1,655,160........J Hart (8)
$1,544,951........I Zubac (9)
$12,447,727......J Randle -- Cap Hold (10)
$847,773...........Minimum Salary (11)
$847,773...........Minimum Salary (12)
$7,362,000.........L Deng (Stretch waived -- $36,810,000/5)
$0......................B Lopez
$0......................K Caldwell-Pope
$0......................C Brewer
$0......................T Ennis
$0......................T Bryant
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$116,186,695 |
So it's $103.7mil, with two max FA's and either Clarkson or Randle. Can we just leave it at that and forego the page after page of cap scenarios ?
I just don't get some poster's obsession with absolute precision in our cap status.
$60mil is enough to get two players. If there's a player that wants to play for the team, but won't because for the first year he can only get 95% of the max, we don't need him.
CP3 and KD both took a lot bigger cuts than that minuscule amount. If LeBron wants to come to LA, a few million will make no difference to him.
We don't need to get rid of Nance, Zubac, Kuzma or Hart to give an extra million to a guy who will make $150mil in the next four years. |
I came up with something in the area of $104,534,468 with Randle's cap hold and Clarkson gone. It would be slightly less than that if Clarkson stayed and Randle was gone.
The $103.7 million is your number, not mine. |
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kevin61
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| Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Bard207 wrote: | | kevin61 wrote: | | Bard207 wrote: | Here are the numbers with:
* Deng stretch waived over five years
* Clarkson still on the roster
* Randle with his cap hold
Salary Cap
$103,000,000
$30,900,000......Paul George (1)
$30,900,000......D Cousins (2)
$12,500,000......J Clarkson (3)
$7,461,960........L Ball (4)
$5,757,120........B Ingram (5)
$2,272,391........L Nance Jr. (6)
$1,689,840........K Kuzma (7)
$1,655,160........J Hart (8)
$1,544,951........I Zubac (9)
$12,447,727......J Randle -- Cap Hold (10)
$847,773...........Minimum Salary (11)
$847,773...........Minimum Salary (12)
$7,362,000.........L Deng (Stretch waived -- $36,810,000/5)
$0......................B Lopez
$0......................K Caldwell-Pope
$0......................C Brewer
$0......................T Ennis
$0......................T Bryant
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$116,186,695 |
So it's $103.7mil, with two max FA's and either Clarkson or Randle. Can we just leave it at that and forego the page after page of cap scenarios ?
I just don't get some poster's obsession with absolute precision in our cap status.
$60mil is enough to get two players. If there's a player that wants to play for the team, but won't because for the first year he can only get 95% of the max, we don't need him.
CP3 and KD both took a lot bigger cuts than that minuscule amount. If LeBron wants to come to LA, a few million will make no difference to him.
We don't need to get rid of Nance, Zubac, Kuzma or Hart to give an extra million to a guy who will make $150mil in the next four years. |
I came up with something in the area of $104,534,468 with Randle's cap hold and Clarkson gone. It would be slightly less than that if Clarkson stayed and Randle was gone.
The $103.7 million is your number, not mine. |
Ok, fine, my point is the same. BTW, you weren't who I was referring to when I posted the comment, I actually appreciate the work you did clarifying the situation. |
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DangeRuss
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | DangeRuss wrote: | | fontana3d wrote: | | MJST wrote: | If you do go with Westbrook and Cousins, no one gets supplemented in the lineup and people can continue to play their natural positions technically, just laying it out it would look like this.
PG: Lonzo Ball
SG: Russell Westbrook
SF: Brandon Ingram
PF: Julius Randle
C: DeMarcus Cousins
you'd essentially be replacing KCP and Lopez with Westbrook and Cousins. |
Or go with the most affordable and younger George and Cousins. |
George and cousins would be my preference |
Whoever we could sign would be my preference |
Wade and Greg Monroe it is |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 2:29 am Post subject: |
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| DangeRuss wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | DangeRuss wrote: | | fontana3d wrote: | | MJST wrote: | If you do go with Westbrook and Cousins, no one gets supplemented in the lineup and people can continue to play their natural positions technically, just laying it out it would look like this.
PG: Lonzo Ball
SG: Russell Westbrook
SF: Brandon Ingram
PF: Julius Randle
C: DeMarcus Cousins
you'd essentially be replacing KCP and Lopez with Westbrook and Cousins. |
Or go with the most affordable and younger George and Cousins. |
George and cousins would be my preference |
Whoever we could sign would be my preference |
Wade and Greg Monroe it is |
Do we have a shot at Boozer ? |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 6:06 am Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | DangeRuss wrote: | | fontana3d wrote: | | MJST wrote: | If you do go with Westbrook and Cousins, no one gets supplemented in the lineup and people can continue to play their natural positions technically, just laying it out it would look like this.
PG: Lonzo Ball
SG: Russell Westbrook
SF: Brandon Ingram
PF: Julius Randle
C: DeMarcus Cousins
you'd essentially be replacing KCP and Lopez with Westbrook and Cousins. |
Or go with the most affordable and younger George and Cousins. |
George and cousins would be my preference |
Whoever we could sign would be my preference |
I don't think we make it to 2 stars without somehow gutting the team. I'd go for George right now and some legit pieces..
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 7:10 am Post subject: |
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| deal wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | DangeRuss wrote: | | fontana3d wrote: | | MJST wrote: | If you do go with Westbrook and Cousins, no one gets supplemented in the lineup and people can continue to play their natural positions technically, just laying it out it would look like this.
PG: Lonzo Ball
SG: Russell Westbrook
SF: Brandon Ingram
PF: Julius Randle
C: DeMarcus Cousins
you'd essentially be replacing KCP and Lopez with Westbrook and Cousins. |
Or go with the most affordable and younger George and Cousins. |
George and cousins would be my preference |
Whoever we could sign would be my preference |
I don't think we make it to 2 stars without somehow gutting the team. I'd go for George right now and some legit pieces.. |
Could be looking at George and Lopez. |
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George Lopez?
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 7:18 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | George Lopez? |
That dudes going to be going  |
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If we somehow end up with a core of
Ball
George
Ingram
Randle
Cousins
I think that would be incredible. Randle upside is dependant on whether they can win or not. The biggest and most intriguing ? In that group imo. |
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| Tony Anapolis wrote: | If we somehow end up with a core of
Ball
George
Ingram
Randle
Cousins
I think that would be incredible. Randle upside is dependant on whether they can win or not. The biggest and most intriguing ? In that group imo. |
Though I have concerns about Boogie this is probably my 2nd or 3rd preferred option.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 7:29 am Post subject: |
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A sign and trade for Boogie might not be a bad route either? Clarkson, Zubac, and a 2nd rounder or Nance for Cousins?
Idk, just trying to save money. |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 9:44 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | George Lopez? |
So; George & George? Sounds good....
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| Tony Anapolis wrote: | | deal wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | DangeRuss wrote: | | fontana3d wrote: | | MJST wrote: | If you do go with Westbrook and Cousins, no one gets supplemented in the lineup and people can continue to play their natural positions technically, just laying it out it would look like this.
PG: Lonzo Ball
SG: Russell Westbrook
SF: Brandon Ingram
PF: Julius Randle
C: DeMarcus Cousins
you'd essentially be replacing KCP and Lopez with Westbrook and Cousins. |
Or go with the most affordable and younger George and Cousins. |
George and cousins would be my preference |
Whoever we could sign would be my preference |
I don't think we make it to 2 stars without somehow gutting the team. I'd go for George right now and some legit pieces.. |
Could be looking at George and Lopez. |
I would love to have George but unless Lopez is cheap, he can go elsewhere.
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Lakers going after Dwayne Wade after his buyout makes sense
| Quote: | Right now, it makes a lot of sense for the Lakers to at least consider Dwayne Wade.
It’s been another roller coaster summer thanks to free agency, trades, and the annual draft. Chaos has been the theme for the last few seasons in Los Angeles, as the Lakers have failed to put anything incredible together.
This upcoming season will be looking to change that, with them also being one summer away from potentially landing multiple superstars. One of the stars on that list is none other than LeBron James, who will be a free agent and could be on his way out of Cleveland for a second time. |
https://lasportshub.com/2017/08/18/lakers-going-dwayne-wade-buyout-makes-sense/ |
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kevin61
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| Lopez is definitely an option for the second slot, it's 100% dependent on how he plays. That's another reason why the Kuzma Trade was so smart, we get a one year tryout. Signing him would also gives us more flexibility, as I doubt he'd get the full max. |
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Hey.. not for nothing but.. Nerlens Noel is still a free agent... wanna try to throw the Room Exception at him or something? Cause I don't even think the Mavs have made an offer yet.
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| MJST wrote: | | Hey.. not for nothing but.. Nerlens Noel is still a free agent... wanna try to throw the MLE at him or something? Cause I don't even think the Mavs have made an offer yet. |
Lakers have the room exception and I'm guessing Noel wants a 20+M deal with long term security. |
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| MJST wrote: | | Hey.. not for nothing but.. Nerlens Noel is still a free agent... wanna try to throw the MLE at him or something? Cause I don't even think the Mavs have made an offer yet. |
What's the point? It accomplishes nothing and helps the Mavericks if he signs it.
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