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Chase.button07 Star Player
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yinoma2001 wrote: | I would never trade Klay for Kyrie. |
yupe. specially when i have Curry at the same spot _________________ Now Playing: The Zo Show @Staples |
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kobeslaker Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:37 am Post subject: |
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Without Bradley and Crowder, C's basically lost top 2 defenders on their team. And both of them playing really hard on D. I doubt Hayward and Kyrie will play the same level on D, we all saw that Dlo drop 40 points on Kyrie.
Without defense-first mind, C's won't be better than last year. Even if they have better record than last year, it's because east got worse. All in all, they are far from competed with GS. |
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JohnWick Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:44 am Post subject: |
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kobeslaker wrote: | Without Bradley and Crowder, C's basically lost top 2 defenders on their team. And both of them playing really hard on D. I doubt Hayward and Kyrie will play the same level on D, we all saw that Dlo drop 40 points on Kyrie.
Without defense-first mind, C's won't be better than last year. Even if they have better record than last year, it's because east got worse. All in all, they are far from competed with GS. |
Hayward is underrated on defense. He was better than Crowder on D last season. They also still have Smart. |
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Inspector Gadget Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:55 am Post subject: |
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Deron Williams
Tony Allen
Mirotic (RFA)
Noel (RFA)
Derrick Williams
Shabazz Muhammad
David Lee
Mason Plumlee (RFA)
JAMYCHAL Green (RFA)
Are all available in the FA market |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:06 am Post subject: |
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JohnWick wrote: | kobeslaker wrote: | Without Bradley and Crowder, C's basically lost top 2 defenders on their team. And both of them playing really hard on D. I doubt Hayward and Kyrie will play the same level on D, we all saw that Dlo drop 40 points on Kyrie.
Without defense-first mind, C's won't be better than last year. Even if they have better record than last year, it's because east got worse. All in all, they are far from competed with GS. |
Hayward is underrated on defense. He was better than Crowder on D last season. They also still have Smart. |
He is underrated and a better 2 way player. But losing BOTH IT and Crowder constitutes 2 major rotation players for the price of 1. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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CaliRyderX Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:13 am Post subject: |
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | Deron Williams <- Cow dung, but could make a decent mentor for Lonzo...hmm.
Tony Allen <- Older than dirt.
Mirotic (RFA) <- Not worth mentioning since lakers are stacked at PF.
Noel (RFA) <- See Mirotic comment. And Dallas will match regardless.
Derrick Williams < - Has had an unspectacular career thus far.
Shabazz Muhammad < - We already have KCP and Clarkson...no thank you.
David Lee < - See Mirotic and Noel comment.
Mason Plumlee (RFA) <- Has looked "Plumless" thus far. Pass...
JAMYCHAL Green (RFA) <- See Mirotic/Noel and Lee comment.
Are all available in the FA market |
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Inspector Gadget Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:19 am Post subject: |
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CaliRyderX wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | Deron Williams <- Cow dung, but could make a decent mentor for Lonzo...hmm.
Tony Allen <- Older than dirt.
Mirotic (RFA) <- Not worth mentioning since lakers are stacked at PF.
Noel (RFA) <- See Mirotic comment. And Dallas will match regardless.
Derrick Williams < - Has had an unspectacular career thus far.
Shabazz Muhammad < - We already have KCP and Clarkson...no thank you.
David Lee < - See Mirotic and Noel comment.
Mason Plumlee (RFA) <- Has looked "Plumless" thus far. Pass...
JAMYCHAL Green (RFA) <- See Mirotic/Noel and Lee comment.
Are all available in the FA market |
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Lol
Good breakdown.
I mean in retrospect, you can argue that those guys will improve our team even at slightest... just cause the PF spot is stacked doesn't mean you can't go small and use for example Randle at C and Mirotic at PF... |
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Lucky_Shot Star Player
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:28 am Post subject: |
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | CaliRyderX wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | Deron Williams <- Cow dung, but could make a decent mentor for Lonzo...hmm.
Tony Allen <- Older than dirt.
Mirotic (RFA) <- Not worth mentioning since lakers are stacked at PF.
Noel (RFA) <- See Mirotic comment. And Dallas will match regardless.
Derrick Williams < - Has had an unspectacular career thus far.
Shabazz Muhammad < - We already have KCP and Clarkson...no thank you.
David Lee < - See Mirotic and Noel comment.
Mason Plumlee (RFA) <- Has looked "Plumless" thus far. Pass...
JAMYCHAL Green (RFA) <- See Mirotic/Noel and Lee comment.
Are all available in the FA market |
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Lol
Good breakdown.
I mean in retrospect, you can argue that those guys will improve our team even at slightest... just cause the PF spot is stacked doesn't mean you can't go small and use for example Randle at C and Mirotic at PF... |
I cant see us taking another Big, at F/C: BI, Kuz, Nance, Randle and Lopez. Thats alot of guys for 3 positions. |
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LakerSD Franchise Player
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:44 am Post subject: |
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LakerSD wrote: | https://twitter.com/fearthesword/status/900414871224844288
Bucks offered Brogdon, Middleton and pick for Kyrie. |
Pretty amazing how much better the offers for Kyrie were. Trading a player with 2 years is so much more important than the crap return for star players on expiring deals (Boogie, PG13). _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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LakerSD Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:47 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | LakerSD wrote: | https://twitter.com/fearthesword/status/900414871224844288
Bucks offered Brogdon, Middleton and pick for Kyrie. |
Pretty amazing how much better the offers for Kyrie were. Trading a player with 2 years is so much more important than the crap return for star players on expiring deals (Boogie, PG13). |
For sure. I think a lot of these organizations never know what the star player is thinking so there is cold feet when it's a star who is about to become FA. Chicago really botched the Butler to t-wolves trade. At a minimum, do not give up your 1st round pick |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:51 am Post subject: |
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LakerSD wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | LakerSD wrote: | https://twitter.com/fearthesword/status/900414871224844288
Bucks offered Brogdon, Middleton and pick for Kyrie. |
Pretty amazing how much better the offers for Kyrie were. Trading a player with 2 years is so much more important than the crap return for star players on expiring deals (Boogie, PG13). |
For sure. I think a lot of these organizations never know what the star player is thinking so there is cold feet when it's a star who is about to become FA. Chicago really botched the Butler to t-wolves trade. At a minimum, do not give up your 1st round pick |
Chicago should have gotten much more than they did for the Jimmy Butler trade. I would take Butler over Irving as he is a 2 way player and they got a garbage package. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:58 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | LakerSD wrote: | https://twitter.com/fearthesword/status/900414871224844288
Bucks offered Brogdon, Middleton and pick for Kyrie. |
Pretty amazing how much better the offers for Kyrie were. Trading a player with 2 years is so much more important than the crap return for star players on expiring deals (Boogie, PG13). |
Definitely. That is why I have to chuckle when people think we are going to trade our upcoming FA (Randle) not only for a nice ending contract, but also including Deng. That isn't how things work. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | LakerSD wrote: | https://twitter.com/fearthesword/status/900414871224844288
Bucks offered Brogdon, Middleton and pick for Kyrie. |
Pretty amazing how much better the offers for Kyrie were. Trading a player with 2 years is so much more important than the crap return for star players on expiring deals (Boogie, PG13). |
Definitely. That is why I have to chuckle when people think we are going to trade our upcoming FA (Randle) not only for a nice ending contract, but also including Deng. That isn't how things work. |
Yeah. That Noel trade should put that to bed. We trade Jules now, we're getting at best a late 1st or 2nd rounders. Noel has a lot of value as a rim protecting/space defending big man but that's all he could muster, 2nd rounders. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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HumanVictoryCigar Star Player
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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I can only assUme... the Cavs are prepping for a total rebuild. IT was phenomenal carrying Boston during the season and in the playoffs but realistically, how much longer does he have before his body starts breaking down, especially considering his playing style. So the Cavs get out of Kyrie's contract, then Lebron walks, they let IT walk, they trade Kevin Love and then they try to offload some of those other guys like Tristan Thompson, JR Smith and Korver before next season and collect as many draft picks as possible.
Sounds like Cleveland will soon be reverting back to the mean... which is losing and losing a lot and this time, NO! the league will not give them the number one pick in 3 out of 4 years |
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Inspector Gadget Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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HumanVictoryCigar wrote: | I can only assUme... the Cavs are prepping for a total rebuild. IT was phenomenal carrying Boston during the season and in the playoffs but realistically, how much longer does he have before his body starts breaking down, especially considering his playing style. So the Cavs get out of Kyrie's contract, then Lebron walks, they let IT walk, they trade Kevin Love and then they try to offload some of those other guys like Tristan Thompson, JR Smith and Korver before next season and collect as many draft picks as possible.
Sounds like Cleveland will soon be reverting back to the mean... which is losing and losing a lot and this time, NO! the league will not give them the number one pick in 3 out of 4 years |
If Love is the next 1 to be traded from the Cavs, I would like to see him in a Lakers uniform. |
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CaliRyderX Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | CaliRyderX wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | Deron Williams <- Cow dung, but could make a decent mentor for Lonzo...hmm.
Tony Allen <- Older than dirt.
Mirotic (RFA) <- Not worth mentioning since lakers are stacked at PF.
Noel (RFA) <- See Mirotic comment. And Dallas will match regardless.
Derrick Williams < - Has had an unspectacular career thus far.
Shabazz Muhammad < - We already have KCP and Clarkson...no thank you.
David Lee < - See Mirotic and Noel comment.
Mason Plumlee (RFA) <- Has looked "Plumless" thus far. Pass...
JAMYCHAL Green (RFA) <- See Mirotic/Noel and Lee comment.
Are all available in the FA market |
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Lol
Good breakdown.
I mean in retrospect, you can argue that those guys will improve our team even at slightest... just cause the PF spot is stacked doesn't mean you can't go small and use for example Randle at C and Mirotic at PF... |
You could make that argument with not just the names on this list, but with a slew of other players as well(Monta Ellis, Bogut, Stuckey, Barbosa, Thomas Robinson....). The main question to consider would be if it's feasible to do so. The Lakers roster is currently full at every position, so signing or making a move at this point for a player(s) that isn't better than what we already have would just be redundant and not for the full enhancement of what's currently available on the roster. |
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | HumanVictoryCigar wrote: | I can only assUme... the Cavs are prepping for a total rebuild. IT was phenomenal carrying Boston during the season and in the playoffs but realistically, how much longer does he have before his body starts breaking down, especially considering his playing style. So the Cavs get out of Kyrie's contract, then Lebron walks, they let IT walk, they trade Kevin Love and then they try to offload some of those other guys like Tristan Thompson, JR Smith and Korver before next season and collect as many draft picks as possible.
Sounds like Cleveland will soon be reverting back to the mean... which is losing and losing a lot and this time, NO! the league will not give them the number one pick in 3 out of 4 years |
If Love is the next 1 to be traded from the Cavs, I would like to see him in a Lakers uniform. |
So that we can have a huge contract for a low-defense PF that the Warriors can destroy 5 times a year?
There's a reason the Cavs are so eager to trade Love. _________________ LBJ + AD = More rings
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Inspector Gadget Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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CaliRyderX wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | CaliRyderX wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | Deron Williams <- Cow dung, but could make a decent mentor for Lonzo...hmm.
Tony Allen <- Older than dirt.
Mirotic (RFA) <- Not worth mentioning since lakers are stacked at PF.
Noel (RFA) <- See Mirotic comment. And Dallas will match regardless.
Derrick Williams < - Has had an unspectacular career thus far.
Shabazz Muhammad < - We already have KCP and Clarkson...no thank you.
David Lee < - See Mirotic and Noel comment.
Mason Plumlee (RFA) <- Has looked "Plumless" thus far. Pass...
JAMYCHAL Green (RFA) <- See Mirotic/Noel and Lee comment.
Are all available in the FA market |
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Lol
Good breakdown.
I mean in retrospect, you can argue that those guys will improve our team even at slightest... just cause the PF spot is stacked doesn't mean you can't go small and use for example Randle at C and Mirotic at PF... |
You could make that argument with not just the names on this list, but with a slew of other players as well(Monta Ellis, Bogut, Stuckey, Barbosa, Thomas Robinson....). The main question to consider would be if it's feasible to do so. The Lakers roster is currently full at every position, so signing or making a move at this point for a player(s) that isn't better than what we already have would just be redundant and not for the full enhancement of what's currently available on the roster. |
I would like Barbosa on the team, not because the team is full but because he would add another guy who can help with 3pt shooting |
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CaliRyderX Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | CaliRyderX wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | CaliRyderX wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | Deron Williams <- Cow dung, but could make a decent mentor for Lonzo...hmm.
Tony Allen <- Older than dirt.
Mirotic (RFA) <- Not worth mentioning since lakers are stacked at PF.
Noel (RFA) <- See Mirotic comment. And Dallas will match regardless.
Derrick Williams < - Has had an unspectacular career thus far.
Shabazz Muhammad < - We already have KCP and Clarkson...no thank you.
David Lee < - See Mirotic and Noel comment.
Mason Plumlee (RFA) <- Has looked "Plumless" thus far. Pass...
JAMYCHAL Green (RFA) <- See Mirotic/Noel and Lee comment.
Are all available in the FA market |
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Lol
Good breakdown.
I mean in retrospect, you can argue that those guys will improve our team even at slightest... just cause the PF spot is stacked doesn't mean you can't go small and use for example Randle at C and Mirotic at PF... |
You could make that argument with not just the names on this list, but with a slew of other players as well(Monta Ellis, Bogut, Stuckey, Barbosa, Thomas Robinson....). The main question to consider would be if it's feasible to do so. The Lakers roster is currently full at every position, so signing or making a move at this point for a player(s) that isn't better than what we already have would just be redundant and not for the full enhancement of what's currently available on the roster. |
I would like Barbosa on the team, not because the team is full but because he would add another guy who can help with 3pt shooting |
That move doesn't make much sense to me if you're trying to improve the team from a purely athletic standpoint. We've already got KCP and Clarkson...both are younger/taller than Barbosa, and shoot the 3-ball at relatively the same %. Beyond those two, we drafted Josh Hart, and judging by his Villy stats, he's more than capable of shooting the long ball with accuracy. Adding more at that position without subtracting would be overkill, IMO. |
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P.K. wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | HumanVictoryCigar wrote: | I can only assUme... the Cavs are prepping for a total rebuild. IT was phenomenal carrying Boston during the season and in the playoffs but realistically, how much longer does he have before his body starts breaking down, especially considering his playing style. So the Cavs get out of Kyrie's contract, then Lebron walks, they let IT walk, they trade Kevin Love and then they try to offload some of those other guys like Tristan Thompson, JR Smith and Korver before next season and collect as many draft picks as possible.
Sounds like Cleveland will soon be reverting back to the mean... which is losing and losing a lot and this time, NO! the league will not give them the number one pick in 3 out of 4 years |
If Love is the next 1 to be traded from the Cavs, I would like to see him in a Lakers uniform. |
So that we can have a huge contract for a low-defense PF that the Warriors can destroy 5 times a year?
There's a reason the Cavs are so eager to trade Love. |
If we can convince Cleveland to take on Deng? |
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | LakerSD wrote: | https://twitter.com/fearthesword/status/900414871224844288
Bucks offered Brogdon, Middleton and pick for Kyrie. |
Pretty amazing how much better the offers for Kyrie were. Trading a player with 2 years is so much more important than the crap return for star players on expiring deals (Boogie, PG13). |
Unless you're the Bulls... _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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Dr. Funkbot Star Player
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | HumanVictoryCigar wrote: | I can only assUme... the Cavs are prepping for a total rebuild. IT was phenomenal carrying Boston during the season and in the playoffs but realistically, how much longer does he have before his body starts breaking down, especially considering his playing style. So the Cavs get out of Kyrie's contract, then Lebron walks, they let IT walk, they trade Kevin Love and then they try to offload some of those other guys like Tristan Thompson, JR Smith and Korver before next season and collect as many draft picks as possible.
Sounds like Cleveland will soon be reverting back to the mean... which is losing and losing a lot and this time, NO! the league will not give them the number one pick in 3 out of 4 years |
If Love is the next 1 to be traded from the Cavs, I would like to see him in a Lakers uniform. |
Not me- guy is terrible on defense and he is super expensive. Bad move. _________________ R.I.P. Doc Buss |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Omar Little wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | LakerSD wrote: | https://twitter.com/fearthesword/status/900414871224844288
Bucks offered Brogdon, Middleton and pick for Kyrie. |
Pretty amazing how much better the offers for Kyrie were. Trading a player with 2 years is so much more important than the crap return for star players on expiring deals (Boogie, PG13). |
Unless you're the Bulls... |
Ha true. What a miserable package they received. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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