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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:57 am Post subject: |
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Bard207 wrote: | They will need Rick Carlisle to leave if they want respectable odds on getting a few high draft picks. |
Yeah, once Dirk is gone, Harrison Barnes is your #1 guy? Good luck with that. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Bard207 Star Player
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It will be interesting to see if Cuban will continue to shuffle players in and out in efforts be relevant or will eventually give up and accept the Scarlet T. |
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barnes is a maverick? _________________ Kobe |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Chronicle wrote: | barnes is a maverick? |
You didn't see the handcuffs? _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Dave20 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:54 am Post subject: |
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I think they go after Blake Griffin. I think the Lakers brass like what they have at 1-3. |
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The Logo Star Player
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Bard207 wrote: | They will need Rick Carlisle to leave if they want respectable odds on getting a few high draft picks. |
Yeah, once Dirk is gone, Harrison Barnes is your #1 guy? Good luck with that. |
Even with Dirk, how far can they really go in the West? Best case scenario, they're an 8th seed with everyone healthy, which is a low possibility with injury prone players like Bogut and Matthews, along with Williams and Barnes, two inconsistent production players. |
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Dallas has three important elements that make them a candidate to make the playoffs. First, they have multiple quality perimeter defenders (Wes, Barnes, Anderson). Second, they have one of the best tactical coaches in Carlise (though I don't think he's good in other areas). Lastly, they have decent continuity which is a REALLY important factor.
LA lacks proven perimeter defenders outside of Deng, has a coach who is in the first chair for the first time and almost zero roster/system continuity.
I'd much rather be in our situation though because Dallas isn't winning anything and long run we are better off. _________________ Austin Reaves keeps his game tight, like Kobe Bryant on game night. |
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POINT GUARDS
- Stephen Curry (29 Years Old)
Unrestricted / Point Guard / 6-3 / Last team: Golden State
Agent: Jeff Austin
2016 Earnings: $11,370,786
Career Earnings: $56,700,262
- Chris Paul (32 Years Old)
Player Option / Point Guard / 6-0 / Last team: LA Clippers
Agent: Leon Rose
2016 Earnings: $21,468,695
Career Earnings: $160,388,983
- Kyle Lowry (31 Years Old)
Player Option / Point Guard / 6-0 / Last team: Toronto
Agent: Andy Miller
2016 Earnings: $12,000,000
Career Earnings: $64,757,917
- Dennis Schroeder (24 Years Old)
Restricted / Point Guard / 6-2 / Last team: Atlanta
Agent: Ademola Okulaja
2016 Earnings: $1,763,400
Career Earnings: $7,510,862
- Jrue Holiday (27 Years Old)
Unrestricted / Point Guard / 6-4 / Last team: New Orleans
Agent: Jason Glushon
2016 Earnings: $11,000,000
Career Earnings: $48,558,496
- Jeff Teague (29 Years Old)
Unrestricted / Point Guard / 6-2 / Last team: Indiana
Agent: Andy Miller
2016 Earnings: $8,000,000
Career Earnings: $38,863,717
- Derrick Rose (29 Years Old)
Unrestricted / Point Guard / 6-3 / Last team: New York
Agent: BJ Armstrong
2016 Earnings: $20,093,064
Career Earnings: $116,861,524
- Rajon Rondo (31 Years Old)
Player Option / Point Guard / 6-1 / Last team: Chicago
Agent: Bill Duffy
2016 Earnings: $9,500,000
Career Earnings: $70,282,884
- Shaun Livingston (32 Years Old)
Unrestricted / Point Guard / 6-7 / Last team: Golden State
Agent: Jeff Schwartz
2016 Earnings: $5,543,725
Career Earnings: $41,764,378
- Michael Carter-Williams (25 Years Old)
Restricted / Point Guard / 6-6 / Last team: Milwaukee
Agent: Jeff Schwartz
2016 Earnings: $2,399,040
Career Earnings: $6,900,000
- Trey Burke (24 Years Old)
Restricted / Point Guard / 6-1 / Last team: Washington
Agent: Benji Burke
2016 Earnings: $2,658,240
Career Earnings: $11,032,157
- Deron Williams (33 Years Old)
Unrestricted / Point Guard / 6-3 / Last team: Dallas
Agent: Jeff Schwartz
2016 Earnings: $18,659,398
Career Earnings: $120,717,750
- Brandon Jennings (28 Years Old)
Unrestricted / Point Guard / 6-1 / Last team: New York
Agent: Jeff Schwartz
2016 Earnings: $8,344,497
Career Earnings: $34,172,853
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- Dwayne Wade (35 Years Old)
Player Option / Shooting Guard / 6-4 / Last team: Chicago
Agent: Henry Thomas
2016 Earnings: $20,000,000
Career Earnings: $156,321,666
- Victor Oladipo (25 Years Old)
Restricted / Shooting Guard / 6-4 / Last team: Oklahoma City
Agent: Leon Rose
2016 Earnings: $5,192,520
Career Earnings: $21,487,440
- Kentavious Caldwell-Pope (24 Years Old)
Restricted / Shooting Guard / 6-5 / Last team: Detroit
Agent: Rich Paul
2016 Earnings: $2,891,760
Career Earnings: $11,995,639
- Andre Roberson (25 Years Old)
Restricted / Shooting Guard / 6-7 / Last team: Oklahoma City
Agent: Bill Duffy
2016 Earnings: $1,210,800
Career Earnings: $5,665,592
- JJ Redick (33 Years Old)
Unrestricted / Shooting Guard / 6-4 / Last team: LA Clippers
Agent: Greg Lawrence
2016 Earnings: $7,085,000
Career Earnings: $55,931,008
- Tony Allen (35 Years Old)
Unrestricted / Shooting Guard / 6-4 / Last team: Memphis
Agent: Raymond Brothers
2016 Earnings: $5,000,000
Career Earnings: $39,227,037
- Tyreke Evans (28 Years Old)
Unrestricted / Shooting Guard / 6-6 / Last team: New Orleans
Agent: Darren ‘Mats’ Matsubara
2016 Earnings: $10,734,586
Career Earnings: $60,875,465
SMALL FORWARDS
- Kevin Durant (29 Years Old)
Player Option / Small Forward / 6-9 / Last team: Golden State
Agent: Rich Kleiman
2016 Earnings: $21,971,850
Career Earnings: $108,668,918
- Giannis Antetokounmpo (22 Years Old)
Restricted / Small Forward / 6-10 / Last team: Milwaukee
Agent: Alex Saratsis
2016 Earnings: $1,953,960
Career Earnings: $8,615,141
- Gordon Hayward (27 Years Old)
Player Option / Small Forward / 6-8 / Last team: Utah
Agent: Mark Bartelstein
2016 Earnings: $15,409,570
Career Earnings: $57,279,893
- Danilo Gallinari (29 Years Old)
Player Option / Small Forward / 6-10 / Last team: Denver
Agent: Michael Tellem
2016 Earnings: $14,000,000
Career Earnings: $72,948,077
- Andre Iguodala (33 Years Old)
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-6 / Last team: Golden State
Agent: Rob Pelinka
2016 Earnings: $11,710,456
Career Earnings: $121,324,259
- Rudy Gay (31 Years Old)
Player Option / Small Forward / 6-8 / Last team: Sacramento
Agent: Alex Saratsis
2016 Earnings: $12,403,101
Career Earnings: $118,552,969
- Otto Porter (24 Years Old)
Restricted / Small Forward / 6-8 / Last team: Washington
Agent: David Falk
2016 Earnings: $4,662,960
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- Jeff Green (31 Years Old)
Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-9 / Last team: Orlando
Agent: David Falk
2016 Earnings: $9,200,000
Career Earnings: $50,313,788
POWER FORWARDS
- Blake Griffin (28 Years Old)
Player Option / Power Forward / 6-10 / Last team: LA Clippers
Agent: Jeff Schwartz
2016 Earnings: $18,862,876
Career Earnings: $96,463,407
- Paul Millsap (32 Years Old)
Player Option / Power Forward / 6-8 / Last team: Atlanta
Agent: DeAngelo Simmons
2016 Earnings: $18,671,659
Career Earnings: $92,110,037
- Serge Ibaka (28 Years Old)
Unrestricted / Power Forward / 6-10 / Last team: Orlando
Agent: Andy Miller
2016 Earnings: $12,250,000
Career Earnings: $55,165,662
- Nikola Mirotic (26 Years Old)
Restricted / Power Forward / 6-10 / Last team: Chicago
Agent: Igor Crespo
2016 Earnings: $5,543,725
Career Earnings: $16,631,175
- Taj Gibson (32 Years Old)
Unrestricted / Power Forward / 6-9 / Last team: Chicago
Agent: Mark Bartelstein
2016 Earnings: $8,500,000
Career Earnings: $38,508,971
- Amir Johnson (30 Years Old)
Unrestricted / Power Forward / 6-9 / Last team: Boston
Agent: Kevin Bradbury
2016 Earnings: $12,000,000
Career Earnings: $66,062,970
- Patrick Patterson (28 Years Old)
Unrestricted / Power Forward / 6-9 / Last team: Toronto
Agent: Sam Goldfeder
2016 Earnings: $6,268,675
Career Earnings: $27,135,303
- Zach Randolph (36 Years Old)
Unrestricted / Power Forward / 6-9 / Last team: Memphis
Agent: Raymond Brothers
2016 Earnings: $10,000,000
Career Earnings: $175,124,765
CENTERS
- Rudy Gobert (25 Years Old)
Restricted / Center / 7-1 / Last team: Utah
Agent: Bouna Ndiaye
2016 Earnings: $1,175,880
Career Earnings: $5,503,368
- Steven Adams (24 Years Old)
Restricted / Center / 7-0 / Last team: Oklahoma City
Agent: Darren ‘Mats’ Matsubara
2016 Earnings: $2,279,040
Career Earnings: $9,695,397
- Nerlens Noel (23 Years Old)
Restricted / Center / 6-11 / Last team: Philadelphia
Agent: Andy Miller
2016 Earnings: $3,457,800
Career Earnings: $14,329,730
- Andrew Bogut (32 Years Old)
Unrestricted / Center / 7-0 / Last team: Dallas
Agent: David Bauman
2016 Earnings: $12,000,000
Career Earnings: $116,292,310
- Greg Monroe (27 Years Old)
Player Option / Center / 6-11 / Last team: Milwaukee
Agent: David Falk
2016 Earnings: $16,407,500
Career Earnings: $52,090,028
- Mason Plumlee (27 Years Old)
Restricted / Center / 6-11 / Last team: Portland
Agent: Mark Bartelstein
2016 Earnings: $1,415,520
Career Earnings: $6,399,770
- Kelly Olynyk (26 Years Old)
Restricted / Center / 7-0 / Last team: Boston
Agent: Greg Lawrence
2016 Earnings: $2,165,160
Career Earnings: $9,321,294
- Gorgui Dieng (27 Years Old)
Restricted / Center / 6-11 / Last team: Minnesota
Agent: Makhtar Ndiaye
2016 Earnings: $1,474,440
Career Earnings: $6,589,342
- Zaza Pachulia (33 Years Old)
Unrestricted / Center / 6-11 / Last team: Golden State
Agent: Jim Tanner
2016 Earnings: $5,200,000
Career Earnings: $51,586,977
- Tiago Splitter (32 Years Old)
Unrestricted / Center / 6-11 / Last team: Atlanta
Agent: Jason Ranne
2016 Earnings: $8,500,000
Career Earnings: $38,766,000
- Aron Baynes (30 Years Old)
Player Option / Center / 6-10 / Last team: Detroit
Agent: Daniel Moldovan
2016 Earnings: $6,500,000
Career Earnings: $16,267,042
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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Nothing really exciting from I see. I'd guess Ibaka and Tyreke are the two obtainable players and Greg Monroe will opt out, but he'd be a bad fit for us.
I guess if DLO progresses to all star level this season and Ingram is moving towards being a 20 pt a game scorer by the end of the season you could move Randle/Clarkson/Lou for cousins and sign Ibaka and Tyreke.
PG DLO
SG Tyreke
SF Ingram
PF Ibaka
C Cousins
And we'd have a 3-4 year window to go for a championship. Pretty far fetched though and that team is still probably not as good as GS since we'd have no depth. Probably best to just develop our young guys and sign them to long term deals and take a shot at 25 and under RFAs and wait until the GS/Lebron storm passes in 2020 or whatever. |
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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Fortysixn2 wrote: | Nothing really exciting from I see. I'd guess Ibaka and Tyreke are the two obtainable players and Greg Monroe will opt out, but he'd be a bad fit for us.
I guess if DLO progresses to all star level this season and Ingram is moving towards being a 20 pt a game scorer by the end of the season you could move Randle/Clarkson/Lou for cousins and sign Ibaka and Tyreke.
PG DLO
SG Tyreke
SF Ingram
PF Ibaka
C Cousins
And we'd have a 3-4 year window to go for a championship. Pretty far fetched though and that team is still probably not as good as GS since we'd have no depth. Probably best to just develop our young guys and sign them to long term deals and take a shot at 25 and under RFAs and wait until the GS/Lebron storm passes in 2020 or whatever. |
Probably not good enough to beat GS? we would get swept.
Laker fans need to wake up and face reality. There is no way we are assembling a championship caliber team within the next 4-5 years unless it is grown from within. No shortcuts. The FO knows this. It's about time the fan base comes along.
We have to develop the dudes we have and continue to add complimentary players/maybe add a star if possible. That's the only way. Our youngins have to pan out. If not we're just not gonna win a title for awhile |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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If the big names pass I would offer huge 1 year deals to guys like Shaun Livingston or jj reddick. Like deals that are financially too good to pass up for 1 year and we get another shot in 2018 with a max (so offer a 2nd year team option ala Jordan hill so we can't trade the player without consent from the player). _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | If the big names pass I would offer huge 1 year deals to guys like Shaun Livingston or jj reddick. Like deals that are financially too good to pass up for 1 year and we get another shot in 2018 with a max (so offer a 2nd year team option ala Jordan hill so we can't trade the player without consent from the player). |
Depending on the way the math works out, I'd turn that attention to Igoudala more so than Livingston. Pelinka client, Arizona Wildcat who is tight with Walton (were actually teammates there for one year) and already in Ingram's ear. Playmaker, defender, team first guy. I'd go pretty deep into the pocket book for Hayward before that though if he is willing to make a move.
Seeing the realistic free agent centers next year makes me feel even better about the Mozgov deal. Between what I expect to be a bounce back year, his deal being flat across years, the potential for the cap to jump significantly if the players negotiate for an extra point or two of BRI, and the 2017 free agent alternatives, Moz is going to look like a smarter move than people realize. _________________ Austin Reaves keeps his game tight, like Kobe Bryant on game night. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Laker's Fan wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | If the big names pass I would offer huge 1 year deals to guys like Shaun Livingston or jj reddick. Like deals that are financially too good to pass up for 1 year and we get another shot in 2018 with a max (so offer a 2nd year team option ala Jordan hill so we can't trade the player without consent from the player). |
Depending on the way the math works out, I'd turn that attention to Igoudala more so than Livingston. Pelinka client, Arizona Wildcat who is tight with Walton (were actually teammates there for one year) and already in Ingram's ear. Playmaker, defender, team first guy. I'd go pretty deep into the pocket book for Hayward before that though if he is willing to make a move.
Seeing the realistic free agent centers next year makes me feel even better about the Mozgov deal. Between what I expect to be a bounce back year, his deal being flat across years, the potential for the cap to jump significantly if the players negotiate for an extra point or two of BRI, and the 2017 free agent alternatives, Moz is going to look like a smarter move than people realize. |
Not enthused about offering iggy more than 1 year max. What would you offer in terms of years/contract? _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Good question. First, one would have to presume that the CBA terms for next year effectively prohibit Igoudala's return in Golden St. It could be the case if they need cap room to sign KD and retain some semblance of depth. That's not certain however.
Second, I'm assuming between his association with Walton, Pelinka (and Bryant actually), familiarity with the system and the opportunity to transition into a different phase of his career would appeal to Andre enough to make LA his preferred non-GS destination. Also uncertain though in theory seems reasonable.
Third, whatever deal you offer Iggy would have to allow a max slot in 2018, especially if P George doesn't renegotiate and extend. Maybe that's a hefty two-year deal with a partial guarantee on year two or some other creative way of working the deal. _________________ Austin Reaves keeps his game tight, like Kobe Bryant on game night. |
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yinoma2001 wrote: |
Not enthused about offering iggy more than 1 year max. What would you offer in terms of years/contract? |
I expect him to show the beginning of a decline this year. If we have max room, I would target one of the top tier players, and if we miss, look for a deal to take on contract with picks. The reason I say this is because this offseason will not be as bad as this year in regards to mediocre talent getting almost max money, but it may be close. I expect 2018 to return to normal as far less teams should have max space. |
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Jim99187 Franchise Player
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yinoma2001 wrote: | If the big names pass I would offer huge 1 year deals to guys like Shaun Livingston or jj reddick. Like deals that are financially too good to pass up for 1 year and we get another shot in 2018 with a max (so offer a 2nd year team option ala Jordan hill so we can't trade the player without consent from the player). |
When the cap is highest I doubt players you mentioned will take 1yr deals even if it's max.
It's going to be their last huge paycheck aswell |
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Nothing really interests me in this free agent class besides a couple of role players.
Reddick would be an awesome get as a backup guard no question. Although I imagine many other teams would go hard after him as well if we only offer something like a one year max or something.
Blake Griffin no. You might as well keep Randle unless he shows zero improvevent in his game.
I mean...yeah that's pretty much it I guess unless the Jazz and Thunder for some insane reason don't resign Gobert and Adams. _________________ Darvin Scam: https://media.tenor.com/images/3c15249955860a4b16b59e8ae035fb75/tenor.gif |
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Ideal targets will be better considered once we've had a chance to see what we need. We don't really know that right now. |
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Amir Johnson or Taj Gibson on 2y30M deals (Last year unguaranteed)
1 of Livingston, Tony Allen, Iggy, Reddick on a similar deal _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though." |
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Forget the FA's right now. Lets just develop the kids and see what we got. I think an eventual trade is more likely than free agency. I have a feeling one of our young bucks (not Dlo or Ingram) will eventually be moved. |
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What are the chances that Hayward opts out? |
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Jim99187 Franchise Player
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ainsley wrote: | What are the chances that Hayward opts out? |
v high. but do you want to pay him 28-30m/yr? i dont |
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Who owns the rights (if any) to Sergio Llull? _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Jim99187 wrote: | ainsley wrote: | What are the chances that Hayward opts out? |
v high. but do you want to pay him 28-30m/yr? i dont |
Well its either trading a JR/JC and picks to get someone like him or paying that outrageous amount. I'd rather pay high and keep alot of talent on the team. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Hayward? Eh, not at a 29m/year max. He's really a 2nd option on a playoff team, maybe 3rd option on a championship team level player.
I think he stays in Utah or joins Brad Stevens in Boston. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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