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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Read a blog about why the Lakers should pursue Darren collison...always wanted him, a Fiesty PG who always plays hard.. |
qq:which nba player you don't want on the lakers? |
Perhaps you don't care ..about the Lakers down hill in recent years but any player right now will be a big boost for the Lakers... |
No we shouldn't just target any player because they're better then the players we have. We should target the players that will fit in with Luke's system and our timeline. You don't build a foundation by just grabbing the first piece of talent you see. You build a solid long term foundation by having a vision of what kind of system you want to establish and what kind of players fit.
For example, think of the Spurs. When they go get guys they find the ones that will fit their system and bring in a particular niche or need that will only make them better. We need to have that vision where we go out and target the right guys.
I'm not saying that Collison is or isn't that guy but it's not about getting any player for a short term boost, it's about having a blue print that works for the Lakers and Luke Walton's system. (assuming we're sticking with Luke Walton which I'm rooting for).
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| LilJay24 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Read a blog about why the Lakers should pursue Darren collison...always wanted him, a Fiesty PG who always plays hard.. |
qq:which nba player you don't want on the lakers? |
Perhaps you don't care ..about the Lakers down hill in recent years but any player right now will be a big boost for the Lakers... |
No we shouldn't just target any player because they're better then the players we have. We should target the players that will fit in with Luke's system and our timeline. You don't build a foundation by just grabbing the first piece of talent you see. You build a solid long term foundation by having a vision of what kind of system you want to establish and what kind of players fit.
For example, think of the Spurs. When they go get guys they find the ones that will fit their system and bring in a particular niche or need that will only make them better. We need to have that vision where we go out and target the right guys.
I'm not saying that Collison is or isn't that guy but it's not about getting any player for a short term boost, it's about having a blue print that works for the Lakers and Luke Walton's system. (assuming we're sticking with Luke Walton which I'm rooting for). |
Tbh IG is a step up from DJmoore (actually in retrospecct that dude was actually kinda right on Giannis  ) |
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| Chase.button07 wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | 3-way with the Magic
Lopez to the Lakers
Deng to the Magic
#28, Hezonja, Biyombo to the Nets |
rob has been fired. i don't see why would the magic pick deng when AG needs mins at the 4 and they might draft Tatum |
Because they're paying Biyombo 17 million to play 15 minutes a game. Deng's contract is a wash, but at least they get someone they can actually play. The possibility of drafting Tatum seems like a minor obstacle, but Deng would do more for his growth than Biyombo would. |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | 3-way with the Magic
Lopez to the Lakers
Deng to the Magic
#28, Hezonja, Biyombo to the Nets |
rob has been fired. i don't see why would the magic pick deng when AG needs mins at the 4 and they might draft Tatum |
Because they're paying Biyombo 17 million to play 15 minutes a game. Deng's contract is a wash, but at least they get someone they can actually play. The possibility of drafting Tatum seems like a minor obstacle, but Deng would do more for his growth than Biyombo would. |
But wouldn't Deng be playing the same number of minutes as Biyombo, if they're finally committed to playing AG at the 4 (if Vogel is done being dumb) |
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| The Logo wrote: | | LilJay24 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Read a blog about why the Lakers should pursue Darren collison...always wanted him, a Fiesty PG who always plays hard.. |
qq:which nba player you don't want on the lakers? |
Perhaps you don't care ..about the Lakers down hill in recent years but any player right now will be a big boost for the Lakers... |
No we shouldn't just target any player because they're better then the players we have. We should target the players that will fit in with Luke's system and our timeline. You don't build a foundation by just grabbing the first piece of talent you see. You build a solid long term foundation by having a vision of what kind of system you want to establish and what kind of players fit.
For example, think of the Spurs. When they go get guys they find the ones that will fit their system and bring in a particular niche or need that will only make them better. We need to have that vision where we go out and target the right guys.
I'm not saying that Collison is or isn't that guy but it's not about getting any player for a short term boost, it's about having a blue print that works for the Lakers and Luke Walton's system. (assuming we're sticking with Luke Walton which I'm rooting for). |
Tbh IG is a step up from DJmoore (actually in retrospecct that dude was actually kinda right on Giannis ) |
DJmoore was so ridiculous
"My starting line up of Giannis/Lebron/Durant/Dirk/Love would beat any lineup you create because they're all tall and can shoot"
Now that I think of it, Brandon Ingram was probably DJMoores favorite rookie this past season and he's probably predicting Ingram to either be a point guard or a stretch 5 in the future lmao
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| LilJay24 wrote: | | The Logo wrote: | | LilJay24 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Read a blog about why the Lakers should pursue Darren collison...always wanted him, a Fiesty PG who always plays hard.. |
qq:which nba player you don't want on the lakers? |
Perhaps you don't care ..about the Lakers down hill in recent years but any player right now will be a big boost for the Lakers... |
No we shouldn't just target any player because they're better then the players we have. We should target the players that will fit in with Luke's system and our timeline. You don't build a foundation by just grabbing the first piece of talent you see. You build a solid long term foundation by having a vision of what kind of system you want to establish and what kind of players fit.
For example, think of the Spurs. When they go get guys they find the ones that will fit their system and bring in a particular niche or need that will only make them better. We need to have that vision where we go out and target the right guys.
I'm not saying that Collison is or isn't that guy but it's not about getting any player for a short term boost, it's about having a blue print that works for the Lakers and Luke Walton's system. (assuming we're sticking with Luke Walton which I'm rooting for). |
Tbh IG is a step up from DJmoore (actually in retrospecct that dude was actually kinda right on Giannis ) |
DJmoore was so ridiculous
"My starting line up of Giannis/Lebron/Durant/Dirk/Love would beat any lineup you create because they're all tall and can shoot"
Now that I think of it, Brandon Ingram was probably DJMoores favorite rookie this past season and he's probably predicting Ingram to either be a point guard or a stretch 5 in the future lmao |
PG: David Robinson
SG: Dennis Rodman
SF: Kevin Durant
PF: Giannis Antetokoumpo
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| The Logo wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | 3-way with the Magic
Lopez to the Lakers
Deng to the Magic
#28, Hezonja, Biyombo to the Nets |
rob has been fired. i don't see why would the magic pick deng when AG needs mins at the 4 and they might draft Tatum |
Because they're paying Biyombo 17 million to play 15 minutes a game. Deng's contract is a wash, but at least they get someone they can actually play. The possibility of drafting Tatum seems like a minor obstacle, but Deng would do more for his growth than Biyombo would. |
But wouldn't Deng be playing the same number of minutes as Biyombo, if they're finally committed to playing AG at the 4 (if Vogel is done being dumb) |
That trade would be so utterly unfair for the Magic. |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | The Logo wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | 3-way with the Magic
Lopez to the Lakers
Deng to the Magic
#28, Hezonja, Biyombo to the Nets |
rob has been fired. i don't see why would the magic pick deng when AG needs mins at the 4 and they might draft Tatum |
Because they're paying Biyombo 17 million to play 15 minutes a game. Deng's contract is a wash, but at least they get someone they can actually play. The possibility of drafting Tatum seems like a minor obstacle, but Deng would do more for his growth than Biyombo would. |
But wouldn't Deng be playing the same number of minutes as Biyombo, if they're finally committed to playing AG at the 4 (if Vogel is done being dumb) |
That trade would be so utterly unfair for the Magic. |
like why....really why on earth would the Magic do this trade....there is absolutely no benefit for them....not even if you squint.
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| ESPN recently did a story about Jimmer Fredette's life in China; turns out he was MVP of some Chinese league and he averaged over 30 ppg. The guy can't play defense but he's a great shooter. He might be someone to consider if we want a scoring punch off the bench. |
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| Scoffs wrote: | | ESPN recently did a story about Jimmer Fredette's life in China; turns out he was MVP of some Chinese league and he averaged over 30 ppg. The guy can't play defense but he's a great shooter. He might be someone to consider if we want a scoring punch off the bench. |
The Chinese league is a joke. Jimmer's had plenty of chances to show he's an NBA player. He isn't |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Read a blog about why the Lakers should pursue Darren collison...always wanted him, a Fiesty PG who always plays hard.. |
Pass.
PG that rarely takes shots in the paint, despite having very good athleticism.
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| Scoffs wrote: | | ESPN recently did a story about Jimmer Fredette's life in China; turns out he was MVP of some Chinese league and he averaged over 30 ppg. The guy can't play defense but he's a great shooter. He might be someone to consider if we want a scoring punch off the bench. |
SG in a PG body. The reason why it works in China is because he plays a shoot first PG.
NBA teams have tried to make him more of a playmaker, and that's not where he excels.
If you sub him in, he's there to be a microwave, period. If you're trying to make him a PG, let him kick ass in China.
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| If we can keep our pick, the Lakers should just save the cap space for next year unless we can sign a franchise changer type of player. If we going to spend 34 mil like we did with Moz and Deng, it's gotta be player that can make a huge different on wins and losses. We should not make this mistake again. |
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I saw this trade being discussed on the Bulls board. Thoughts?
To Bulls: Ingram + Zubac + #2 + Deng + Mozgov
To Pacers: Russell + Randle + Clarkson + Brewer + Rockets 1st owed + Future Lakers 1st
To Lakers: George + Butler + Lopez + Canaan + Allen + Seraphin |
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| CRoost wrote: | | If we can keep our pick, the Lakers should just save the cap space for next year unless we can sign a franchise changer type of player. If we going to spend 34 mil like we did with Moz and Deng, it's gotta be player that can make a huge different on wins and losses. We should not make this mistake again. |
Those are the only types of FAs that go to lottery teams.
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| Spill512 wrote: | I saw this trade being discussed on the Bulls board. Thoughts?
To Bulls: Ingram + Zubac + #2 + Deng + Mozgov
To Pacers: Russell + Randle + Clarkson + Brewer + Rockets 1st owed + Future Lakers 1st
To Lakers: George + Butler + Lopez + Canaan + Allen + Seraphin |
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^Purgatory. Lakers get two All-Stars and no one around them, especially when practically trading the entire youthcore AND picks which got the Lakers into this mess in the first place.
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I feel like it would be easy to get players around them if we had those two. Butler is on contract for two more seasons, so if PG will resign given his preference for the Lakers and the fact that we can now offer him an allstar to play with, we have time to put together a team around two great two way players. But yea, idk if it's actually possible. Figured it was since a Bulls mod was the one proposing it.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | If we can keep our pick, the Lakers should just save the cap space for next year unless we can sign a franchise changer type of player. If we going to spend 34 mil like we did with Moz and Deng, it's gotta be player that can make a huge different on wins and losses. We should not make this mistake again. |
Those are the only types of FAs that go to lottery teams. |
Then we might as well built the foundation of this team through our youth core. After next year, we have a better idea on who's fitting and who's not and what kind of players we need around to compliment them. If Ingram and our pick or Zu or Dlo proved that they are the building block then it's easier to fit the other pieces to the puzzle. Getting guys like Moz and Deng are waste of money and hindrance to our youth movement. |
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| Spill512 wrote: | | I feel like it would be easy to get players around them if we had those two. |
Famous last words... |
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| Spill512 wrote: | I saw this trade being discussed on the Bulls board. Thoughts?
To Bulls: Ingram + Zubac + #2 + Deng + Mozgov
To Pacers: Russell + Randle + Clarkson + Brewer + Rockets 1st owed + Future Lakers 1st
To Lakers: George + Butler + Lopez + Canaan + Allen + Seraphin |
That would be a win now at all costs, future be damned move, and yet not a championship team. It's a team that is one injury to either PG or Butler away from real problem.
That would be mortgaging the present & future. You'd be giving up Ingram, Russell, Houston's 1st, our #2 if we get it, a future No.1. Nooooooo |
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | ^Purgatory. Lakers get two All-Stars and no one around them, especially when practically trading the entire youthcore AND picks which got the Lakers into this mess in the first place. |
This.
Becoming a playoff 1st rounder for the next 3-4 years is not the Lakers way. After that you go back to square one. |
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| LakerDYnasty72 wrote: | | Spill512 wrote: | I saw this trade being discussed on the Bulls board. Thoughts?
To Bulls: Ingram + Zubac + #2 + Deng + Mozgov
To Pacers: Russell + Randle + Clarkson + Brewer + Rockets 1st owed + Future Lakers 1st
To Lakers: George + Butler + Lopez + Canaan + Allen + Seraphin |
That would be a win now at all costs, future be damned move, and yet not a championship team. It's a team that is one injury to either PG or Butler away from real problem.
That would be mortgaging the present & future. You'd be giving up Ingram, Russell, Houston's 1st, our #2 if we get it, a future No.1. Nooooooo |
If it's KD coming as a free agent than I will throw the whole kitchen and the ref too and make the run for the next 4-5 years. |
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| CRoost wrote: | | LakerDYnasty72 wrote: | | Spill512 wrote: | I saw this trade being discussed on the Bulls board. Thoughts?
To Bulls: Ingram + Zubac + #2 + Deng + Mozgov
To Pacers: Russell + Randle + Clarkson + Brewer + Rockets 1st owed + Future Lakers 1st
To Lakers: George + Butler + Lopez + Canaan + Allen + Seraphin |
That would be a win now at all costs, future be damned move, and yet not a championship team. It's a team that is one injury to either PG or Butler away from real problem.
That would be mortgaging the present & future. You'd be giving up Ingram, Russell, Houston's 1st, our #2 if we get it, a future No.1. Nooooooo |
If it's KD coming as a free agent than I will throw the whole kitchen and the ref too and make the run for the next 4-5 years. |
Two things. Whose coming w/KD? Both Butler & PG?
Other point, that trade is surrendering 7 first round picks. I'm counting Zubac as a first round pick because the only reason he went in the second round was his insistence that he be allowed to come play now, and not be stashed overseas. |
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