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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:11 pm    Post subject:

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Free agent Luc Mbah a Moute has reached an agreement with the Houston Rockets, league sources tell ESPN.


Another very good wing defender that can hit the corner 3. Great signing.

For the minimum too! This is why you give up replaceable players for CP3, cuz you can replace them with better versions for low $$. He took the minimum and Tucker took around 10M less.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:36 pm    Post subject:

Derrick Rose for the back up PG
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:48 pm    Post subject:

Pelinka didn't mention Clarkson in his interview - trade for Belinelli IMMINENT
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:29 pm    Post subject:

The Lakers need to sign a real PG ASAP.

Who can bring the ball down under pressure. Caruso cannot under real pressure.

At least one more true PG who can handle the ball.

Two if possible.

Don't say Clarkson for he cannot handle the ball under pressure.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:33 pm    Post subject:

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Pelinka didn't mention Clarkson in his interview - trade for Belinelli IMMINENT


What trade ?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:35 pm    Post subject:

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Pelinka didn't mention Clarkson in his interview - trade for Belinelli IMMINENT


tf?!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:36 pm    Post subject:

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Pelinka didn't mention Clarkson in his interview - trade for Belinelli IMMINENT


I realize you're just kidding, but actually the way Pelinka talks about our having 2Max already is essentially saying I either have a deal to get Deng off the books or I'm trading Jordan.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:37 pm    Post subject:

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Pelinka didn't mention Clarkson in his interview - trade for Belinelli IMMINENT


I'm down.

Ball/Ennis
KCP/Belinelli/Hart
Ingram/Brewer
Randle/Nance/Kuzma/Deng
Lopez/Zubac/Bryant
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:37 pm    Post subject:

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Pelinka didn't mention Clarkson in his interview - trade for Belinelli IMMINENT


I realize you're just kidding, but actually the way Pelinka talks about our having 2Max already is essentially saying I either have a deal to get Deng off the books or I'm trading Jordan.


Both.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:48 pm    Post subject:

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Pelinka didn't mention Clarkson in his interview - trade for Belinelli IMMINENT


I realize you're just kidding, but actually the way Pelinka talks about our having 2Max already is essentially saying I either have a deal to get Deng off the books or I'm trading Jordan.


Both.


Gonna be super interesting to see how they go about moving those deals
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:51 pm    Post subject:

if you had to pick Wear or Thomas for that second 2way contract.. who would u go with? they both made a case during the summer league.

and anyone else scouting other teams? any names that jump out?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:53 pm    Post subject:

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if you had to pick Wear or Thomas for that second 2way contract.. who would u go with? they both made a case during the summer league.

and anyone else scouting other teams? any names that jump out?




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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:04 pm    Post subject:

Omar Little wrote:
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PHILosophize wrote:
Pelinka didn't mention Clarkson in his interview - trade for Belinelli IMMINENT


I realize you're just kidding, but actually the way Pelinka talks about our having 2Max already is essentially saying I either have a deal to get Deng off the books or I'm trading Jordan.


Both.


God knows I've put forth enough Deng trade ideas for Rob to have stolen one of them and pulled something off. But in case he hasn't yet, here's another one, what with the Blazers trying to toss their hat into the Melo sweepstakes.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y99kezaf

Lakers in: Faried, Barton
Lakers out: Deng, Zubac, 2020 1st (top-10 protected), 2019 CHI 2nd

Knicks in: Deng, Ed Davis, Zubac, 2018 POR 1st, 2019 CHI 2nd, 2020 LA 1st
Knicks out: Melo

Blazers in: Melo
Blazers out: Crabbe, Davis, 2018 1st, 2020 1st

Nuggets in: Crabbe, 2020 POR 1st
Nuggets out: Faried, Barton

Why the Lakers do it: We give up a similar package to what I've suggested in a possible Deng-to-CHI deal. But this time, Faried contract is not expiring, and Barton is pretty helpful. That said, Faried shouldn't be that difficult to move, as he's a useful player. Maybe we could even look to flip him immediately, given that we, too, have a logjam at the 4.

Why the Knicks do it: With the Blazers apparently desperate to get Melo, the Knicks get a second 1st round pick out of this, and this one's a 2018 pick. I think that it would be worth it for them to absorb Deng if they got back two 1st rounders and Zubac, and the CHI 2019 2nd is about as valuable a 2nd round pick as there can be.

Why the Blazers do it: As discussed, they want to surround their backcourt duo with another star. They give up 2 first round picks here, in 2018 and 2020, but they also get Crabbe's money off the books, which is why the 2020 1st goes to the Nuggets. They also shed Ed Davis here as necessary salary filler.

Why the Nuggets do it: Although Crabbe is due a lot of money, they do shed Faried's remaining $26MM or so, and he is the odd man out there. Barton is someone they are very unlikely to retain past this season anyway, and Crabbe gives them another shooter for the next 3 years (to add to Gary Harris, a guy they will have around for a while). Not only is Crabbe a better fit for their squad than Faried is, but they pick up a future 2020 1st in this scenario, which isn't too shabby considering how badly they want to dump Faried.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:14 pm    Post subject:

^I don't trade any of our assets as part of a Deng or Clarkson package unless it gets us directly to the 2018 cap space. The assumption that any contract is easy to move (once we no longer have those assets) is a very risk one, and one not worth taking IMO.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:16 pm    Post subject:

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^I don't trade any of our assets as part of a Deng or Clarkson package unless it gets us directly to the 2018 cap space. The assumption that any contract is easy to move (once we no longer have those assets) is a very risk one, and one not worth taking IMO.


I'd still do it, if the cost is Zubac and not, say, any of Ball/Ingram/Kuzma/Hart/Nance. I was as high on Zu as anyone last year, but the more I think about it, I don't think he's going to make a difference for us in our next championship run.

That said, let me try to come up with a trade right now where we give up Faried. LOL.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:19 pm    Post subject:

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^I don't trade any of our assets as part of a Deng or Clarkson package unless it gets us directly to the 2018 cap space. The assumption that any contract is easy to move (once we no longer have those assets) is a very risk one, and one not worth taking IMO.


Agreed. I'd rather have the prerequisite 2018 cap space now and not fret about making trades later.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:21 pm    Post subject:

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Maybe we could route Faried to yet another team if we give up that Denver 2018 2nd. A team that actually is almost totally devoid of young talent at the 4 is the Nets. Maybe something like Faried to the Nets, along with the Denver pick, for Trevor Booker's expiring would work. The Nets should be trying to surround Dlo and their other young players with as many decent NBA players as possible at this point, and if they can get a pick out of it, it could make sense for them.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:27 pm    Post subject:

Another one is Faried to the Cavs for Frye and Jefferson. Frye wasn't even in their rotation by the end of the playoffs, and Faried is the only other player like Tristan Thompson that they would have on their roster. (An activity/energy big.)

Frye and Jefferson are expirings, and Luke and Jefferson are reunited and it feels so good. We probably wouldn't even have to give up a pick for them to do this.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:32 pm    Post subject:

The trade machine doesn't allow for more than 4-team trades, but you can make trades involving 5 teams or more, too. The rule is that with 3-team trades or more, each team must "touch" at least two other teams in the trade, per Larry Coon's CBA FAQ.

So instead of waiting to move Faried, perhaps we could actually try to involve a 5th team. It's intricate, but it's not impossible. I'd still rather do the Chicago deal because it's more direct (just absorbing Wade), but who knows if they are willing to play ball. So I'm just trying to come up with other possibilities.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:32 pm    Post subject:

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Another one is Faried to the Cavs for Frye and Jefferson. Frye wasn't even in their rotation by the end of the playoffs, and Faried is the only other player like Tristan Thompson that they would have on their roster. (An activity/energy big.)

Frye and Jefferson are expirings, and Luke and Jefferson are reunited and it feels so good. We probably wouldn't even have to give up a pick for them to do this.


Yes. Like this a lot. Arizona Lakers are legit.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:33 pm    Post subject:

It kills me to say but if Zubac continues to show regression, we could really include him as a sweetener with Clarkson and Deng.

With Kuzma being the stretch forward we've been looking for, play Nance as a backup 5 and Kuzma backup 4. We're going to continue to play small ball either way.

Man I didn't think I would be saying that for a long while.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:38 pm    Post subject:

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Another one is Faried to the Cavs for Frye and Jefferson. Frye wasn't even in their rotation by the end of the playoffs, and Faried is the only other player like Tristan Thompson that they would have on their roster. (An activity/energy big.)

Frye and Jefferson are expirings, and Luke and Jefferson are reunited and it feels so good. We probably wouldn't even have to give up a pick for them to do this.


Yes. Like this a lot. Arizona Lakers are legit.


they have to drop Cedi Osman in that trade as well.

Frye/Richardson/Osman for Clarkson/ 2nd
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:39 pm    Post subject:

Megaton wrote:
It kills me to say but if Zubac continues to show regression, we could really include him as a sweetener with Clarkson and Deng.

With Kuzma being the stretch forward we've been looking for, play Nance as a backup 5 and Kuzma backup 4. We're going to continue to play small ball either way.

Man I didn't think I would be saying that for a long while.


I don't think Zubac is showing regression. I think he's gained strength while losing some lateral mobility. It's pretty common for bigs early on to struggle on rotations and lateral defense.

I don't think we should cut bait on him because of this summer league. He's still worth evaluating.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:42 pm    Post subject:

Megaton wrote:
It kills me to say but if Zubac continues to show regression, we could really include him as a sweetener with Clarkson and Deng.

With Kuzma being the stretch forward we've been looking for, play Nance as a backup 5 and Kuzma backup 4. We're going to continue to play small ball either way.

Man I didn't think I would be saying that for a long while.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:47 pm    Post subject:

I am thinking of the possibility of signing a shooter, and trading JC for a PG whose contract will expire in 2018. Not many options though.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/2018/point-guard/available/
http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/shooting-guard/available/

BTW, spotrac is good to use.

Ideally, you find someone who can backup Ball and play with him too. Pairing Ball with somebody with ball-handling, shooting, and D would maximize his abilities. I am not sure JC fits the description.
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