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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:50 pm    Post subject:

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It kills me to say but if Zubac continues to show regression, we could really include him as a sweetener with Clarkson and Deng.

With Kuzma being the stretch forward we've been looking for, play Nance as a backup 5 and Kuzma backup 4. We're going to continue to play small ball either way.

Man I didn't think I would be saying that for a long while.


I think the FO would move him in a heartbeat if he was needed to make a deal...I have no reason to think this FO has ever viewed him as a piece they would have a hard time moving. I dont think anything has changed.....everyone outside of Ball and Ingram is considered "ok" to move if the right deal came along.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:51 pm    Post subject:

ahaider wrote:
Megaton wrote:
It kills me to say but if Zubac continues to show regression, we could really include him as a sweetener with Clarkson and Deng.

With Kuzma being the stretch forward we've been looking for, play Nance as a backup 5 and Kuzma backup 4. We're going to continue to play small ball either way.

Man I didn't think I would be saying that for a long while.


I don't think Zubac is showing regression. I think he's gained strength while losing some lateral mobility. It's pretty common for bigs early on to struggle on rotations and lateral defense.

I don't think we should cut bait on him because of this summer league. He's still worth evaluating.


yup, too early to trade zu. last year we were talking marc gasol during the season, now a couple summer league games in he's trade bait smh
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:52 pm    Post subject:

Chase.button07 wrote:
Megaton wrote:
It kills me to say but if Zubac continues to show regression, we could really include him as a sweetener with Clarkson and Deng.

With Kuzma being the stretch forward we've been looking for, play Nance as a backup 5 and Kuzma backup 4. We're going to continue to play small ball either way.

Man I didn't think I would be saying that for a long while.


too early


I agree it's too early but man is he slow footed. He has to work on his lateral quickness and footwork. Horrible defending the PNR.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:56 pm    Post subject:

romeo wrote:
ahaider wrote:
Megaton wrote:
It kills me to say but if Zubac continues to show regression, we could really include him as a sweetener with Clarkson and Deng.

With Kuzma being the stretch forward we've been looking for, play Nance as a backup 5 and Kuzma backup 4. We're going to continue to play small ball either way.

Man I didn't think I would be saying that for a long while.


I don't think Zubac is showing regression. I think he's gained strength while losing some lateral mobility. It's pretty common for bigs early on to struggle on rotations and lateral defense.

I don't think we should cut bait on him because of this summer league. He's still worth evaluating.


yup, too early to trade zu. last year we were talking marc gasol during the season, now a couple summer league games in he's trade bait smh


I was as high on Zu as anyone and think he's really skilled. But I also think that the writing is on the wall. There's a certain way that we want to play, and we've cleaned house in that respect. JC will be gone by next season, and you've seen the kind of players we've drafted. We want to play positionless, versatile basketball, and we want to play fast. I just don't think that Zu will be a great fit going forward with that. I think the best play might be to include him in some type of deal where we get back value. Dumping Deng's money without having to stretch him, I would argue, represents value to us. So we'll just have to see what happens.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:58 pm    Post subject:

I'd rather see TB develop further. His game fits our style much better than Zu at this point.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:04 pm    Post subject:

romeo wrote:
ahaider wrote:
Megaton wrote:
It kills me to say but if Zubac continues to show regression, we could really include him as a sweetener with Clarkson and Deng.

With Kuzma being the stretch forward we've been looking for, play Nance as a backup 5 and Kuzma backup 4. We're going to continue to play small ball either way.

Man I didn't think I would be saying that for a long while.


I don't think Zubac is showing regression. I think he's gained strength while losing some lateral mobility. It's pretty common for bigs early on to struggle on rotations and lateral defense.

I don't think we should cut bait on him because of this summer league. He's still worth evaluating.


yup, too early to trade zu. last year we were talking marc gasol during the season, now a couple summer league games in he's trade bait smh

Keep in mind at least to these eyes, refs are letting guys hack the F out of Zu with no call.
Hard to show progression with really, really, goofy officiating.
Lets see how the "pro's" call his games in october B4 we write the big Z off,,,,
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:37 pm    Post subject:

See what happened after lonzo got taken out? Offense stagnated

This is why we should get Kendall Marshall to back him up. That way we can run the same system in both lineups
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:41 pm    Post subject:

Ian Clark/R sessions is fine
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:00 pm    Post subject:

Jarrett Jack is a free agent. Tore his meniscus in Feb or March. What's his knee condition? Anyone know? If healthy, he's better than anything out there. Kind of a George Hill type game, but not quite as good on D as Hill. Plays with some fire and a chip on his shoulder too.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:02 pm    Post subject:

underdogsgv wrote:
Jarrett Jack is a free agent. Tore his meniscus in Feb or March. What's his knee condition? Anyone know? If healthy, he's better than anything out there. Kind of a George Hill type game, but not quite as good on D as Hill. Plays with some fire and a chip on his shoulder too.


He had an ACL before that, he's cooked.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:07 pm    Post subject:

Chronicle wrote:
See what happened after lonzo got taken out? Offense stagnated

This is why we should get Kendall Marshall to back him up. That way we can run the same system in both lineups


100% on board with this. Always been a fan of his and he's one of the only guys in the league that could teach Lonzo a thing or two about being a playmaker without crazy blow by speed. My only issue is the lack of quick on-ball perimeter defenders. But at this point I'd take Kendall as our back up for sure.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:21 pm    Post subject:

How did Roman sessions get into the discussion?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:26 pm    Post subject:

Lakers need to offer Brandon Jennings a contract 1 year deal.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:28 pm    Post subject:

infoman2001 wrote:
Lakers need to offer Brandon Jennings a contract 1 year deal.


I wouldn't mind this but I think clarkson is the backup 1
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:30 pm    Post subject:

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infoman2001 wrote:
Lakers need to offer Brandon Jennings a contract 1 year deal.


I wouldn't mind this but I think clarkson is the backup 1


Jennings played with KCP in 2014-2015 season, and that was sadly the last time Jennings was relevant in the league. Kids from Compton too, if Lakers sign him, I can see a potential career resurrection.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:39 pm    Post subject:

eddiejonze wrote:
romeo wrote:
ahaider wrote:
Megaton wrote:
It kills me to say but if Zubac continues to show regression, we could really include him as a sweetener with Clarkson and Deng.

With Kuzma being the stretch forward we've been looking for, play Nance as a backup 5 and Kuzma backup 4. We're going to continue to play small ball either way.

Man I didn't think I would be saying that for a long while.


I don't think Zubac is showing regression. I think he's gained strength while losing some lateral mobility. It's pretty common for bigs early on to struggle on rotations and lateral defense.

I don't think we should cut bait on him because of this summer league. He's still worth evaluating.


yup, too early to trade zu. last year we were talking marc gasol during the season, now a couple summer league games in he's trade bait smh

Keep in mind at least to these eyes, refs are letting guys hack the F out of Zu with no call.
Hard to show progression with really, really, goofy officiating.
Lets see how the "pro's" call his games in october B4 we write the big Z off,,,,


Last year's SL I remember him catching passes on the run in transition in traffic. This year he can't even seem to hold onto a rebound. It's really weird. He's basically playing the way I expected him to play as a rookie.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:03 pm    Post subject:

ChickenStu wrote:
romeo wrote:
ahaider wrote:
Megaton wrote:
It kills me to say but if Zubac continues to show regression, we could really include him as a sweetener with Clarkson and Deng.

With Kuzma being the stretch forward we've been looking for, play Nance as a backup 5 and Kuzma backup 4. We're going to continue to play small ball either way.

Man I didn't think I would be saying that for a long while.


I don't think Zubac is showing regression. I think he's gained strength while losing some lateral mobility. It's pretty common for bigs early on to struggle on rotations and lateral defense.

I don't think we should cut bait on him because of this summer league. He's still worth evaluating.


yup, too early to trade zu. last year we were talking marc gasol during the season, now a couple summer league games in he's trade bait smh


I was as high on Zu as anyone and think he's really skilled. But I also think that the writing is on the wall. There's a certain way that we want to play, and we've cleaned house in that respect. JC will be gone by next season, and you've seen the kind of players we've drafted. We want to play positionless, versatile basketball, and we want to play fast. I just don't think that Zu will be a great fit going forward with that. I think the best play might be to include him in some type of deal where we get back value. Dumping Deng's money without having to stretch him, I would argue
, represents value to us. So we'll just have to see what happens.


I don't think he can keep up with the pace. He's going to be a good player but just not a good fit for us.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:22 pm    Post subject:

I agree Zubac has been shocking this summer... weak and ineffectual on defense and the boards but he still has some nice shooting and passing skills so I wouldn't get rid of him unless we have Lopez, Cousins or Davis locked down long term. He will be handy against slow plodding half court teams... it's still possible the strength might come... maybe he's been overtraining and the 7 games in 10 days got the best of him.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:12 am    Post subject:

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^I don't trade any of our assets as part of a Deng or Clarkson package unless it gets us directly to the 2018 cap space. The assumption that any contract is easy to move (once we no longer have those assets) is a very risk one, and one not worth taking IMO.


I think the Lakers should be very open to taking on a contract that doesn't directly get us 2018 cap space as long as that contract is about $11 or so and expiring.

1) If you can't dump the expiring contract, at worst, you stretch that player and get hit with $3.5m over 3 years. Compare that to Deng whom stretched would be 7.4 over 5 years. That extra $4m and dumping Clarkson is enough to sign Lebron and PG13 and keep Randle.

2) If you don't sign 2 max players next summer, by turning Deng's 2 years into an expiring, you now have space to go after a Max in 2019.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:17 am    Post subject:

infoman2001 wrote:
Lakers need to offer Brandon Jennings a contract 1 year deal.


Would love this!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:20 am    Post subject:

#StayInYoLane wrote:
infoman2001 wrote:
Lakers need to offer Brandon Jennings a contract 1 year deal.


Would love this!


Didn't Jennings have beef with Luke's boy, Farmar? No chance of that happening
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:21 am    Post subject:

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^I don't trade any of our assets as part of a Deng or Clarkson package unless it gets us directly to the 2018 cap space. The assumption that any contract is easy to move (once we no longer have those assets) is a very risk one, and one not worth taking IMO.

Also since we're the lakers.. it is even harder to move contracts. Nobody wants to help us
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:24 am    Post subject:

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^It's going to have to be JC. In which case, if Ennis or Clark don't want 1 year contracts, I want Brandon Paul.


I think it should have been obvious by year two that Jordan Clarkson is not an effective PG.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:44 am    Post subject:

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The Lakers need to sign a real PG ASAP.

Who can bring the ball down under pressure. Caruso cannot under real pressure.


exactly. like i said early imo caruso is not an NBA players. we need Lonzo lite.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:18 am    Post subject:

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ChickenStu wrote:
Another one is Faried to the Cavs for Frye and Jefferson. Frye wasn't even in their rotation by the end of the playoffs, and Faried is the only other player like Tristan Thompson that they would have on their roster. (An activity/energy big.)

Frye and Jefferson are expirings, and Luke and Jefferson are reunited and it feels so good. We probably wouldn't even have to give up a pick for them to do this.


Yes. Like this a lot. Arizona Lakers are legit.


they have to drop Cedi Osman in that trade as well.

Frye/Richardson/Osman for Clarkson/ 2nd


we can't afford even a minimal 2-3m salary from Osaman as JC's deal needs to bring back $0 in 2018 cap.
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