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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:52 am    Post subject:

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Here is one more for max cap clearance.

TRADE

Bucks get good return for Monroe.

Rockets get a starting lineup of Paul, Harden, Melo, Ryan Anderson and Capela.

Knicks get 6th man of the year along with a very fit Julius Randle and perhaps a future pick from the Rockets or Lakers.

Lakers get decent bench players, clear playing time at PF for Kuzma (though Nance would start) AND max cap space next summer!


Knicks get reamed on that one. Actually whoever gets Deng in any trade gets reamed.


Considering they want to get rid of Melo, getting Randle and Gordon along Deng is not a bad thing for a rebuilding team. They keep Deng around for one year or two, stretch his contract and get a 6MOTY, plus a very good fit to pair with Kristaps.

Among all the crazy trading ideas people post around here, that's one of the best. It's hard to pull it with 4 team, but I see clear gains for all teams involved.


Knicks would be better off just clearing space and taking on future (cheap) assets like draft picks + rookies/sophomores. Randle is about to get paid and Gordon does nothing for them (what do they have to play for this year?). Why make your books worse by taking on Deng and either keeping or stretching him. I'd riot if our FO did something like this.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:54 am    Post subject:

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Randle is a RESTRICTED free agent.

Totally different.


Yes, they can get 2 years out of him before he walks as a UFA. And 2 years of Deng. Compared to one year of Melo. Horrible deal for them unless they are dumping Noah in the process.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:57 am    Post subject:

Mike Dunleavey is a FA and he can provide some stretch offense, maybe we add him to TC roster?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:41 am    Post subject:

rock0100 wrote:
Here is one more for max cap clearance.

TRADE

Bucks get good return for Monroe.

Rockets get a starting lineup of Paul, Harden, Melo, Ryan Anderson and Capela.

Knicks get 6th man of the year along with a very fit Julius Randle and perhaps a future pick from the Rockets or Lakers.

Lakers get decent bench players, clear playing time at PF for Kuzma (though Nance would start) AND max cap space next summer!


That's pretty idiotic trade, you don't trade Randle and JC for nothing before you know you can get two max players.

If you don't get two max players, at least you can get a 1st round pick for Randle, not just salary dump.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:48 am    Post subject:

The tank mentality lives on.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:57 am    Post subject:

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The tank mentality lives on.


There is difference between tank mentality and doing something stupid that will ruin next summer for us.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:59 am    Post subject:

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The tank mentality lives on.


There is difference between tank mentality and doing something stupid that will ruin next summer for us.


Well we haven't done anything stupid so we need to keep it that way.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:40 am    Post subject:

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As @PeterVecsey1 stated on podcast: Phil Jackson wanted to deal Kristaps Porzingis for #1 pick to draft Lonzo Ball.

FWIW, it's Peter Vecsey. According to him, Fultz would have gone to the Lakers, Porky to the Celtics, and Lonzo to the Knicks.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:45 am    Post subject:

https://twitter.com/slamonline/status/896070785558650880

Kyrie wants to play for Clippers. I'm sure the NBA would love a Lebron vs. Kyrie LA storyline
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:46 am    Post subject:

didnt phil get fired
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:48 am    Post subject:

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As @PeterVecsey1 stated on podcast: Phil Jackson wanted to deal Kristaps Porzingis for #1 pick to draft Lonzo Ball.

FWIW, it's Peter Vecsey. According to him, Fultz would have gone to the Lakers, Porky to the Celtics, and Lonzo to the Knicks.


Interesting. Maybe Phil learned some things about direction of NBA into fast paced ball movement. RIP #triangleoffense
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:59 am    Post subject:

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As @PeterVecsey1 stated on podcast: Phil Jackson wanted to deal Kristaps Porzingis for #1 pick to draft Lonzo Ball.

FWIW, it's Peter Vecsey. According to him, Fultz would have gone to the Lakers, Porky to the Celtics, and Lonzo to the Knicks.


Interesting. Maybe Phil learned some things about direction of NBA into fast paced ball movement. RIP #triangleoffense
Phil would have likely ruined Lonzo. And media jabs between Lavar and Phil would have been epic
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:06 am    Post subject:

LakerSD wrote:
https://twitter.com/slamonline/status/896070785558650880

Kyrie wants to play for Clippers. I'm sure the NBA would love a Lebron vs. Kyrie LA storyline

Which is hilarious, because the Cavs could've probably just done a Kyrie/CP3 swap about a month and a half ago
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:17 am    Post subject:

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https://twitter.com/slamonline/status/896070785558650880

Kyrie wants to play for Clippers. I'm sure the NBA would love a Lebron vs. Kyrie LA storyline

Which is hilarious, because the Cavs could've probably just done a Kyrie/CP3 swap about a month and a half ago


This is true
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:19 am    Post subject:

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https://twitter.com/slamonline/status/896070785558650880

Kyrie wants to play for Clippers. I'm sure the NBA would love a Lebron vs. Kyrie LA storyline

Which is hilarious, because the Cavs could've probably just done a Kyrie/CP3 swap about a month and a half ago


This is true


so glad it never happened! Would have kept the dippers in the conversation
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:21 am    Post subject:

When was the last time Peter Vecsey was relevant?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:22 am    Post subject:

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As @PeterVecsey1 stated on podcast: Phil Jackson wanted to deal Kristaps Porzingis for #1 pick to draft Lonzo Ball.

FWIW, it's Peter Vecsey. According to him, Fultz would have gone to the Lakers, Porky to the Celtics, and Lonzo to the Knicks.


Interesting. Maybe Phil learned some things about direction of NBA into fast paced ball movement. RIP #triangleoffense


Huh? Lonzo's like the perfect Triangle PG, and the system has nothing to do with transition pace.

I predicted Phil wanted Lonzo. In terms of basketball it was too much of a fit. He might have had a chance if Boston didn't trade with Philly.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:30 am    Post subject:

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Alex Kennedy‏Verified account
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As @PeterVecsey1 stated on podcast: Phil Jackson wanted to deal Kristaps Porzingis for #1 pick to draft Lonzo Ball.

FWIW, it's Peter Vecsey. According to him, Fultz would have gone to the Lakers, Porky to the Celtics, and Lonzo to the Knicks.


Interesting. Maybe Phil learned some things about direction of NBA into fast paced ball movement. RIP #triangleoffense


Huh? Lonzo's like the perfect Triangle PG, and the system has nothing to do with transition pace.

I predicted Phil wanted Lonzo. In terms of basketball it was too much of a fit. He might have had a chance if Boston didn't trade with Philly.


Triangle offense is dead imo. It's just too inefficient in the modern NBA game.

Lonzo is going to run, run, run in transition. When it's half court possessions, there will be a lot of passing guys open, cuts, screens, etc. in a nutshell a lot of Ball movement.

The triangle offense would be effective if it's a quick decision making with sharp shooters, but honestly today's NBA is about all 5 guys contributing. Triangle and Iso ball won't get you far imo.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:47 am    Post subject:

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As @PeterVecsey1 stated on podcast: Phil Jackson wanted to deal Kristaps Porzingis for #1 pick to draft Lonzo Ball.

FWIW, it's Peter Vecsey. According to him, Fultz would have gone to the Lakers, Porky to the Celtics, and Lonzo to the Knicks.


Interesting. Maybe Phil learned some things about direction of NBA into fast paced ball movement. RIP #triangleoffense


Huh? Lonzo's like the perfect Triangle PG, and the system has nothing to do with transition pace.

I predicted Phil wanted Lonzo. In terms of basketball it was too much of a fit. He might have had a chance if Boston didn't trade with Philly.


Triangle offense is dead imo. It's just too inefficient in the modern NBA game.

Lonzo is going to run, run, run in transition. When it's half court possessions, there will be a lot of passing guys open, cuts, screens, etc. in a nutshell a lot of Ball movement.

The triangle offense would be effective if it's a quick decision making with sharp shooters, but honestly today's NBA is about all 5 guys contributing. Triangle and Iso ball won't get you far imo.


That makes no sense. Both the Spurs and Dubs' offense are influenced by the Triangle. Triangle and ISO ball are nowhere near synonymous. What you described as all 5 guys contributing, ball movement, quick cuts and screens is the Triangle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy2yc8-A0GE

I think you might have it in your head that the Triangle is walking the ball up court, standing in one spot trying to get the ball into Shaq for 15 seconds or Kobe/Jordan going ISO. That's not what it is at all.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:01 pm    Post subject:

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As @PeterVecsey1 stated on podcast: Phil Jackson wanted to deal Kristaps Porzingis for #1 pick to draft Lonzo Ball.

FWIW, it's Peter Vecsey. According to him, Fultz would have gone to the Lakers, Porky to the Celtics, and Lonzo to the Knicks.


Interesting. Maybe Phil learned some things about direction of NBA into fast paced ball movement. RIP #triangleoffense


Huh? Lonzo's like the perfect Triangle PG, and the system has nothing to do with transition pace.

I predicted Phil wanted Lonzo. In terms of basketball it was too much of a fit. He might have had a chance if Boston didn't trade with Philly.


Triangle offense is dead imo. It's just too inefficient in the modern NBA game.

Lonzo is going to run, run, run in transition. When it's half court possessions, there will be a lot of passing guys open, cuts, screens, etc. in a nutshell a lot of Ball movement.

The triangle offense would be effective if it's a quick decision making with sharp shooters, but honestly today's NBA is about all 5 guys contributing. Triangle and Iso ball won't get you far imo.


That makes no sense. Both the Spurs and Dubs' offense are influenced by the Triangle. Triangle and ISO ball are nowhere near synonymous. What you described as all 5 guys contributing, ball movement, quick cuts and screens is the Triangle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy2yc8-A0GE

I think you might have it in your head that the Triangle is walking the ball up court, standing in one spot trying to get the ball into Shaq for 15 seconds or Kobe/Jordan going ISO. That's not what it is at all.


Agree to disagree. GSW/Spurs use elements of the triangle and it generally incorporates all 5 guys. Phil's triangle generally focused on a 2-3 man game. Phil also never really had any PG the caliber of what Lonzo is. He relied on decision making kobe/Jordan and tall point forward types like Pippen.

Lonzo is tall but he plays a different type of game more in line with what today's NBA is.

Of course, there will always be elements of the triangle offense or ISO ball in the NBA. It's basketball 101. However, today's game is all about ball movement and efficiency and all 5 guys better be able to move, shoot and shoot with range i.e., stretching the floor.

Lonzo's game fits the new age. If phil's triangle offense was still the way, all teams (not just the knicks) would use it as the primary style. Instead, it is still used from time to time but the game is different today and most successful teams operate with 5 man units.

If the triangle was still the gold standard, Phil would still have a job and you wouldn't have heard knicks players bitching about being forced to play the triangle.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:34 pm    Post subject:

Stephen Zimmerman has a 7-foot-3 wingspan and averaged 13.4 points and 8.9 rebounds in the D League last year.

The kid has potential; another year or two in college would have worked wonders for this kid. Fortunately he is still young enough to salvage his career.

IMO in a year or two he could develop into a serviceable big man.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:38 pm    Post subject:

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Stephen Zimmerman has a 7-foot-3 wingspan and averaged 13.4 points and 8.9 rebounds in the D League last year.

The kid has potential; another year or two in college would have worked wonders for this kid. Fortunately he is still young enough to salvage his career.

IMO in a year or two he could develop into a serviceable big man.


Thanks for the info Pio2u, I'm curious has to why we decided to add a big man with a pretty good potential especially since we already have Zu and Bryant in the fold... gonna be interesting to see the battle in Training camp.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:40 pm    Post subject:

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Stephen Zimmerman has a 7-foot-3 wingspan and averaged 13.4 points and 8.9 rebounds in the D League last year.

The kid has potential; another year or two in college would have worked wonders for this kid. Fortunately he is still young enough to salvage his career.

IMO in a year or two he could develop into a serviceable big man.


Thanks for the info Pio2u, I'm curious has to why we decided to add a big man with a pretty good potential especially since we already have Zu and Bryant in the fold... gonna be interesting to see the battle in Training camp.

Dude is just a body for the other players to go against.
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Stephen Zimmerman has a 7-foot-3 wingspan and averaged 13.4 points and 8.9 rebounds in the D League last year.

The kid has potential; another year or two in college would have worked wonders for this kid. Fortunately he is still young enough to salvage his career.

IMO in a year or two he could develop into a serviceable big man.


Thanks for the info Pio2u, I'm curious has to why we decided to add a big man with a pretty good potential especially since we already have Zu and Bryant in the fold... gonna be interesting to see the battle in Training camp.


Zim probably won't make the final cut but will be a good addition to the South Bay Lakers. He's a work in progress.
I'm glad he has an opportunity to pursue his dream. You never know, he may turn out okay in the long run somehow, somewhere.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 1:20 pm    Post subject:

Dion Waiters on Kyrie to Miami rumors:

It would help. Im not against that. Just know theres an alpha male over there too in myself."

This guy thinks he's all that.
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