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kikanga
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Not that i think it's feasible, but LBJ/WB/PG13 is overkill and too many chefs in the kitchen. If they were willing to take such large paycuts, would spend it on other holes on the team (defensive guards, mobile defensive center). |
I'd love to to have that problem. GS has 2 of the last 4 MVPs. I want the same. And PG13 is comparable to Klay.
It would actually be a fair fight. But it won't happen. I'm just a dreamer.
We'll probably get 2 all stars and wait for Ingram and Ball to take the next step. |
I'm saying that it's not just the more names...but the fit. WB/LBJ is a terrible fit IMO. WB/LBJ/PG13 is just wasting PG13 as a spot up shooter basically.
If you could have say LBJ/PG13/KCP/Lopez for the same amount, I think a deeper and more balanced team. |
Lebron would make it work. Same way he made it work when he went to Miami with Wade (slashing, non-floor spacer like WB). Klay is just a spot up shooter basically.
Grab as many MVPs as possible, and worry about fit later. When you have three top 15 players and two top 5 players, they'll figure it out.
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Lebron, Westbrook, PG, a room exception player and 11 vet min players aren't beating GS.
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| USCandLakers wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Not that i think it's feasible, but LBJ/WB/PG13 is overkill and too many chefs in the kitchen. If they were willing to take such large paycuts, would spend it on other holes on the team (defensive guards, mobile defensive center). |
That's like saying Dany and her 3 dragons are overkill for the enemy in the North. No...that's a huge ass army of dead men and white walkers, you gone need 3 big ass dragons. (bleep) bring the dothraki, unsullied, and the entire 7 kingdoms too. Gonna need all of them. |
Yay, way to use Game of Thrones to talk about basketball.
I have serious questions about how the 3 co-exist in an offense. WB/KD was a tenuous "my turn, your turn" offense. Add in another top 5 player in LBJ and it's even more awkward.
My point is if we have 2 star players, I look for fit at that point rather than just another star. WB would not be the first guy i would take if we had LBJ/PG13 on board to take discounts.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Lebron, Westbrook, PG, a room exception player and 11 vet min players aren't beating GS. |
Never said it did. Team I was referencing included ball, ingram, hart, zubac, kuzma. I was just working with Bard's post. Only change was getting Deng, Randle, and Clarkson off the books.
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| kikanga wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Not that i think it's feasible, but LBJ/WB/PG13 is overkill and too many chefs in the kitchen. If they were willing to take such large paycuts, would spend it on other holes on the team (defensive guards, mobile defensive center). |
I'd love to to have that problem. GS has 2 of the last 4 MVPs. I want the same. And PG13 is comparable to Klay.
It would actually be a fair fight. But it won't happen. I'm just a dreamer.
We'll probably get 2 all stars and wait for Ingram and Ball to take the next step. |
I'm saying that it's not just the more names...but the fit. WB/LBJ is a terrible fit IMO. WB/LBJ/PG13 is just wasting PG13 as a spot up shooter basically.
If you could have say LBJ/PG13/KCP/Lopez for the same amount, I think a deeper and more balanced team. |
Lebron would make it work. Same way he made it work when he went to Miami with Wade (slashing, non-floor spacer like WB). Klay is just a spot up shooter basically.
Grab as many MVPs as possible, and worry about fit later. When you have three top 15 players and two top 5 players, they'll figure it out. |
It's they "they'll figure it out" part I don't see with that group. I can live with 2 of the 3 guys, and if space permits, i would look for guys to fill the other holes that we would have.
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If the third "star" was someone like Klay, I could be down for that. I'm just dubious about LBJ/WB as a combo firstly, and more so with LBJ/WB/PG13.
Unlike the GoT analogies with the dragons, they can all destroy armies with fireballs; ask them to share one fireball amongst the 3 dragons and we'll have some compatibility issues. 
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| kikanga wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Lebron, Westbrook, PG, a room exception player and 11 vet min players aren't beating GS. |
Never said it did. Team I was referencing included ball, ingram, hart, zubac, kuzma. I was just working with Bard's post. Only change was getting Deng, Randle, and Clarkson off the books. |
I just don't see 2 36m/year eligible (and 1 31m eligible) players taking that big of a discount. Maybe 2-3m/year at most, but to ask for 7-9m/year each, that's not happening.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Lebron, Westbrook, PG, a room exception player and 11 vet min players aren't beating GS. |
Never said it did. Team I was referencing included ball, ingram, hart, zubac, kuzma. I was just working with Bard's post. Only change was getting Deng, Randle, and Clarkson off the books. |
I just don't see 2 36m/year eligible (and 1 31m eligible) players taking that big of a discount. Maybe 2-3m/year at most, but to ask for 7-9m/year each, that's not happening. |
I did say I'm a dreamer. Outside of KD there isn't much of a precedent for that big of a pay cut.
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| kikanga wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Lebron, Westbrook, PG, a room exception player and 11 vet min players aren't beating GS. |
Never said it did. Team I was referencing included ball, ingram, hart, zubac, kuzma. I was just working with Bard's post. Only change was getting Deng, Randle, and Clarkson off the books. |
I just don't see 2 36m/year eligible (and 1 31m eligible) players taking that big of a discount. Maybe 2-3m/year at most, but to ask for 7-9m/year each, that's not happening. |
I did say I'm a dreamer. Outside of KD there isn't much of a precedent for that big of a pay cut. |
Yeah. I'm hoping that we will have 3-4 stars who want to play in LA next year, and maybe there is a small chance they decide to take this insane paycut together. Small...
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It looks like we still have 1 more spot left for a possible vet
Any 1 of
Dunleavy
Allen
Matt Barnes
Farmar
Would give us some solid depth and make guys work harder during TC. |
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Id be cool with sign any of the two players: LBJ, Cousins, Pg13, West, Chris Paul, IT, Deandre Jordan and Joel Embid.
Maybe okay with Wiggins or Parker |
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| Lucky_Shot wrote: | Id be cool with sign any of the two players: LBJ, Cousins, Pg13, West, Chris Paul, IT, Deandre Jordan and Joel Embid.
Maybe okay with Wiggins or Parker |
The only ones from your list that I would give a max to.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Lucky_Shot wrote: | Id be cool with sign any of the two players: LBJ, Cousins, Pg13, West, Chris Paul, IT, Deandre Jordan and Joel Embid.
Maybe okay with Wiggins or Parker |
Wiggins is about to get an extension.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | It looks like we still have 1 more spot left for a possible vet
Any 1 of
Dunleavy
Allen
Matt Barnes
Farmar
Would give us some solid depth and make guys work harder during TC. |
Dunleavy. |
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| textbook wrote: | Dream Scenario
Lakers Bulls Trade:
Clarkson
Deng
First Rounder
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Wade
Why for Lakers: Obvious reasons but for arguments sake, we get out of the deng deal, set up next year, recruit lebron, wade can help as 6th man.
Why for Bulls: They are in rebuild mode. They get nice piece in clarkson but do this for the first rounder. They get a former all star with the franchise to mentor their young guys. They have the space and need to use it anyway (ala brooklyn). They are not signing anyone significant next year so instead load up on draft picks. Deng known as one of the best if not the best locker room guys (although i didnt see much from lakers). But he's a BULL. He has clout in that organization. They need to bring back their own. Fans who remember how great he was will embrace him. And those that don't will like the young prospects. Further, they give up nothing. They are likely going to buy Wade out anyway. |
This is the wet dream scenario but it seems like they want to buy him out.
We should offer JC, Deng, Future 1st, 2018 Chicago 2nd, and 2018 Denver 2nd.
Moving both contracts in one trade frees up as much cap space as possible to go after the guys we want come summer (including keeping Randle on the QO) |
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Getting Wade for Deng, Clarkson, and a first round pick would be the ideal scenario, but chances this happening are little more than wishful thinking.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | It looks like we still have 1 more spot left for a possible vet
Any 1 of
Dunleavy
Allen
Matt Barnes
Farmar
Would give us some solid depth and make guys work harder during TC. |
We'll sign DWade once he's bought out by Chicago. 
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| kentu_tiro wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | It looks like we still have 1 more spot left for a possible vet
Any 1 of
Dunleavy
Allen
Matt Barnes
Farmar
Would give us some solid depth and make guys work harder during TC. |
We'll sign DWade once he's bought out by Chicago. |
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Allen would be a great player to have with our young core, even if it's not for his actual play on the court (I'm not sure how good he still is) but he has that old school grind it out mentality.
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Here are the numbers with:
* Deng stretch waived over five years
* Clarkson still on the roster
* Randle with his cap hold
Salary Cap
$103,000,000
$30,900,000......Paul George (1)
$30,900,000......D Cousins (2)
$12,500,000......J Clarkson (3)
$7,461,960........L Ball (4)
$5,757,120........B Ingram (5)
$2,272,391........L Nance Jr. (6)
$1,689,840........K Kuzma (7)
$1,655,160........J Hart (8)
$1,544,951........I Zubac (9)
$12,447,727......J Randle -- Cap Hold (10)
$847,773...........Minimum Salary (11)
$847,773...........Minimum Salary (12)
$7,362,000.........L Deng (Stretch waived -- $36,810,000/5)
$0......................B Lopez
$0......................K Caldwell-Pope
$0......................C Brewer
$0......................T Ennis
$0......................T Bryant
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If the Lakers traded Deng for Pondexter (expiring and HS teammate of Brook's btw) and Asik, they could stretch Omer's remaining $14 million over 5-years. That would add $5 million in summer '18 space.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 4:49 am Post subject: |
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| textbook wrote: | Dream Scenario
Lakers Bulls Trade:
Clarkson
Deng
First Rounder
for
Wade
Why for Lakers: Obvious reasons but for arguments sake, we get out of the deng deal, set up next year, recruit lebron, wade can help as 6th man.
Why for Bulls: They are in rebuild mode. They get nice piece in clarkson but do this for the first rounder. They get a former all star with the franchise to mentor their young guys. They have the space and need to use it anyway (ala brooklyn). They are not signing anyone significant next year so instead load up on draft picks. Deng known as one of the best if not the best locker room guys (although i didnt see much from lakers). But he's a BULL. He has clout in that organization. They need to bring back their own. Fans who remember how great he was will embrace him. And those that don't will like the young prospects. Further, they give up nothing. They are likely going to buy Wade out anyway. |
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| So if we do end up signing Wade when he's bought out, are we in a better position to compete in the WC? I think more then anything his signing would be to help the LeBron arrival, but he was still putting up good numbers last year on a team that didn't have a real system in place... I can see him still putting up 16-18PPG with solid efficiency. |
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