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kikanga
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Trading for Cousins is a huge move that has zero upside, unless we have an achievable plan to pair him up with a player as good as him if not better.
Bringing him to LA to be on a rebuilding team that's not sniffling the playoffs is a doomed plan. That's just asking for him to leave us in free agency. And probably make a stink along the way.
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Can someone do a ballpark projection of cap space for 2018, and how we'd get enough space for a max deal (assuming the new CBA keeps salary structures reasonably intact). (somewhere Larry Coon is hard at work reviewing the new deal...)
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Can someone do a ballpark projection of cap space for 2018, and how we'd get enough space for a max deal (assuming the new CBA keeps salary structures reasonably intact). (somewhere Larry Coon is hard at work reviewing the new deal...) |
Deng-17.2M
Mozgov-15.3M
JC-11.6M
Lou-7M
Black-6.6M
Nick-5.7M
DLO-5.5M
Ingram 5.5M
Ranlde 4.1M
Nance 1.2M
Zubac 1.0M
Brown 1.0M
Total-81.7M
Projected cap 103M. Would leave about 21.3M in cap. Projected mid tier max 28.9M. Basically means 1 of the beneath has to happen
1. Nick has to opt out
2. We trade Lou for no salary
3. We don't guarantee Black's contract
2 of the 3 have to happen if we keep our pick and want a max slot.
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yinoma2001
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Can someone do a ballpark projection of cap space for 2018, and how we'd get enough space for a max deal (assuming the new CBA keeps salary structures reasonably intact). (somewhere Larry Coon is hard at work reviewing the new deal...) |
Deng-17.2M
Mozgov-15.3M
JC-11.6M
Lou-7M
Black-6.6M
Nick-5.7M
DLO-5.5M
Ingram 5.5M
Ranlde 4.1M
Nance 1.2M
Zubac 1.0M
Brown 1.0M
Total-81.7M
Projected cap 103M. Would leave about 21.3M in cap. Projected mid tier max 28.9M. Basically means 1 of the beneath has to happen
1. Nick has to opt out
2. We trade Lou for no salary
3. We don't guarantee Black's contract
2 of the 3 have to happen if we keep our pick and want a max slot. |
Is this for 2018 FA?
2017 I get, and you are right about the conditions.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Can someone do a ballpark projection of cap space for 2018, and how we'd get enough space for a max deal (assuming the new CBA keeps salary structures reasonably intact). (somewhere Larry Coon is hard at work reviewing the new deal...) |
Here's the breakdown from sportstrac: Lakers 2018 salary cap
2018 NBA Salary Cap Max $108,000,000
Active Contracts. $62,677,311
Cap Holds. $28,150,523
Total Salaries. $62,677,311
Practical Cap Max Space $45,322,689
Actual Cap Max Space $17,172,166
But, the only significant cap hold is Julius Randle's at $5,564,134, since Young, Huertas, Brown, and Black are unlikely to get new contracts here. If the Lakers keep the 2017 pick, then add an additional $4.5MM in salary, which would give the Lakers around $35MM in max cap space in 2018 with no other significant roster additions or changes before then.
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dcarter4kobe
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That was for 2017.
2018 would be so hard to project since we don't know what we are going to do in 2017. And I personally hate looking at the books for 2018 for obvious reasons if you know me 
Deng-18
Mozgov-16
JC-12.5
Randle 10.4M (QO)
DLO 7
Ingram 5.7M
Nance 2.3M
Zubac 1.1M
A.Brown 1.2M
3 cap hold-3M
Total 77.2M with a cap probably around 110 and a mid max tier at about 31M. So there would barely be enough room for a max slot in 2018 if we punt in 2017
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Can someone do a ballpark projection of cap space for 2018, and how we'd get enough space for a max deal (assuming the new CBA keeps salary structures reasonably intact). (somewhere Larry Coon is hard at work reviewing the new deal...) |
Here's the breakdown from sportstrac: Lakers 2018 salary cap
2018 NBA Salary Cap Max $108,000,000
Active Contracts. $62,677,311
Cap Holds. $28,150,523
Total Salaries. $62,677,311
Practical Cap Max Space $45,322,689
Actual Cap Max Space $17,172,166
But, the only significant cap hold is Julius Randle's at $5,564,134, since Young, Huertas, Brown, and Black are unlikely to get new contracts here. If the Lakers keep the 2017 pick, then add an additional $4.5MM in salary, which would give the Lakers around $35MM in max cap space in 2018 with no other significant roster additions or changes before then. |
Rookie deals will be a lot higher in the new CBA. Probably closer to 7M if we keep our pick
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| kikanga wrote: | Trading for Cousins is a huge move that has zero upside, unless we have an achievable plan to pair him up with a player as good as him if not better.
Bringing him to LA to be on a rebuilding team that's not sniffling the playoffs is a doomed plan. That's just asking for him to leave us in free agency. And probably make a stink along the way. |
In a vaccuum/NBA2k environment I'd love to add Cousins but I think there are a number of teams with better assets to get Cousins, more specifically Boston since they can have that duo of Cousins and Horford. |
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Baron Von Humongous
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Can someone do a ballpark projection of cap space for 2018, and how we'd get enough space for a max deal (assuming the new CBA keeps salary structures reasonably intact). (somewhere Larry Coon is hard at work reviewing the new deal...) |
Here's the breakdown from sportstrac: Lakers 2018 salary cap
2018 NBA Salary Cap Max $108,000,000
Active Contracts. $62,677,311
Cap Holds. $28,150,523
Total Salaries. $62,677,311
Practical Cap Max Space $45,322,689
Actual Cap Max Space $17,172,166
But, the only significant cap hold is Julius Randle's at $5,564,134, since Young, Huertas, Brown, and Black are unlikely to get new contracts here. If the Lakers keep the 2017 pick, then add an additional $4.5MM in salary, which would give the Lakers around $35MM in max cap space in 2018 with no other significant roster additions or changes before then. |
Rookie deals will be a lot higher in the new CBA. Probably closer to 7M if we keep our pick |
I had read that, but didn't know it would go into effect for the 2017 class. Even with the additional rookie salary though, there's likely just enough room to sign a 3rd tier max free agent. |
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Most available players would be in that 2nd tier looking for a ~30M max.
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Baron Von Humongous
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Most available players would be in that 2nd tier looking for a ~30M max. |
I was thinking of Westbrook, but Cousins and George would be the 2nd tier gems. |
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yinoma2001
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | That was for 2017.
2018 would be so hard to project since we don't know what we are going to do in 2017. And I personally hate looking at the books for 2018 for obvious reasons if you know me
Deng-18
Mozgov-16
JC-12.5
Randle 10.4M (QO)
DLO 7
Ingram 5.7M
Nance 2.3M
Zubac 1.1M
A.Brown 1.2M
3 cap hold-3M
Total 77.2M with a cap probably around 110 and a mid max tier at about 31M. So there would barely be enough room for a max slot in 2018 if we punt in 2017 |
Interesting. It's going to be tough, given the fact that the Lakers would be approaching missing a 5th consecutive playoffs for the Lakers to punt nearly a max deal's worth of space again.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | That was for 2017.
2018 would be so hard to project since we don't know what we are going to do in 2017. And I personally hate looking at the books for 2018 for obvious reasons if you know me
Deng-18
Mozgov-16
JC-12.5
Randle 10.4M (QO)
DLO 7
Ingram 5.7M
Nance 2.3M
Zubac 1.1M
A.Brown 1.2M
3 cap hold-3M
Total 77.2M with a cap probably around 110 and a mid max tier at about 31M. So there would barely be enough room for a max slot in 2018 if we punt in 2017 |
Interesting. It's going to be tough, given the fact that the Lakers would be approaching missing a 5th consecutive playoffs for the Lakers to punt nearly a max deal's worth of space again. |
Yup. I could see the Lakers offering JJ Reddick a Luol Deng type of deal. What makes the punting option more realistic is it's a relatively weak class of free agents.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Can someone do a ballpark projection of cap space for 2018, and how we'd get enough space for a max deal (assuming the new CBA keeps salary structures reasonably intact). (somewhere Larry Coon is hard at work reviewing the new deal...) |
Here's the breakdown from sportstrac: Lakers 2018 salary cap
2018 NBA Salary Cap Max $108,000,000
Active Contracts. $62,677,311
Cap Holds. $28,150,523
Total Salaries. $62,677,311
Practical Cap Max Space $45,322,689
Actual Cap Max Space $17,172,166
But, the only significant cap hold is Julius Randle's at $5,564,134, since Young, Huertas, Brown, and Black are unlikely to get new contracts here. If the Lakers keep the 2017 pick, then add an additional $4.5MM in salary, which would give the Lakers around $35MM in max cap space in 2018 with no other significant roster additions or changes before then. |
Would require a careful punt to get there, which is also asking a lot b/c we will be staring down the face of a 5th missed playoff.
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | That was for 2017.
2018 would be so hard to project since we don't know what we are going to do in 2017. And I personally hate looking at the books for 2018 for obvious reasons if you know me
Deng-18
Mozgov-16
JC-12.5
Randle 10.4M (QO)
DLO 7
Ingram 5.7M
Nance 2.3M
Zubac 1.1M
A.Brown 1.2M
3 cap hold-3M
Total 77.2M with a cap probably around 110 and a mid max tier at about 31M. So there would barely be enough room for a max slot in 2018 if we punt in 2017 |
Interesting. It's going to be tough, given the fact that the Lakers would be approaching missing a 5th consecutive playoffs for the Lakers to punt nearly a max deal's worth of space again. |
Yup. I could see the Lakers offering JJ Reddick a Luol Deng type of deal. What makes the punting option more realistic is it's a relatively weak class of free agents. |
Yeah, Griffin is the only max FA that really makes sense by position and the Lakers timeline, most of the best RFAs who may be available are centers, and useful vets like Reddick, Korver, Livingston, and Thabo may look for obvious playoff teams. |
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Yet the Lakers structured contracts to dip in 2017, that seems to be the year they intend to pursue someone.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Yet the Lakers structured contracts to dip in 2017, that seems to be the year they intend to pursue someone. |
I tend to agree that the team intends to use that cap space in 2017, even if not a superstar.
To ask the FO to again miss a 5th playoff in a row for the HOPE that a star signs in 2018 may be too much.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | With Yi salary gone maybe the lakers can absorb mo Williams/McRae+2nd |
I think his 8m cap hit remains even though he's gone. |
then whats the point of having non guarantee contract? i think his salary goes out with him |
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| Jim99187 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | With Yi salary gone maybe the lakers can absorb mo Williams/McRae+2nd |
I think his 8m cap hit remains even though he's gone. |
then whats the point of having non guarantee contract? i think his salary goes out with him |
Salary was non-fully guaranteed.
Cap hit remains.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Can someone do a ballpark projection of cap space for 2018, and how we'd get enough space for a max deal (assuming the new CBA keeps salary structures reasonably intact). (somewhere Larry Coon is hard at work reviewing the new deal...) |
Here's the breakdown from sportstrac: Lakers 2018 salary cap
2018 NBA Salary Cap Max $108,000,000
Active Contracts. $62,677,311
Cap Holds. $28,150,523
Total Salaries. $62,677,311
Practical Cap Max Space $45,322,689
Actual Cap Max Space $17,172,166
But, the only significant cap hold is Julius Randle's at $5,564,134, since Young, Huertas, Brown, and Black are unlikely to get new contracts here. If the Lakers keep the 2017 pick, then add an additional $4.5MM in salary, which would give the Lakers around $35MM in max cap space in 2018 with no other significant roster additions or changes before then. |
Would require a careful punt to get there, which is also asking a lot b/c we will be staring down the face of a 5th missed playoff. |
I expect the Lakers to go all in in 2017 for that reason, but the issue is that without adding Blake Griffin, it's hard to see what significant additions they could make to leapfrog the broad Western Conference middle into the playoffs. The 2018-2019 season with DLo year four and Ingram year three seems like the season the team returns to the playoffs for good. |
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| Jim99187 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | With Yi salary gone maybe the lakers can absorb mo Williams/McRae+2nd |
I think his 8m cap hit remains even though he's gone. |
then whats the point of having non guarantee contract? i think his salary goes out with him |
There was a guarantee
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | With Yi salary gone maybe the lakers can absorb mo Williams/McRae+2nd |
I think his 8m cap hit remains even though he's gone. |
then whats the point of having non guarantee contract? i think his salary goes out with him |
Salary was non-fully guaranteed.
Cap hit remains. |
i doubt that. not sure though |
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| Jim99187 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | With Yi salary gone maybe the lakers can absorb mo Williams/McRae+2nd |
I think his 8m cap hit remains even though he's gone. |
then whats the point of having non guarantee contract? i think his salary goes out with him |
Salary was non-fully guaranteed.
Cap hit remains. |
i doubt that. not sure though |
We would be under the cap if his deal didn't count.
If we were under the cap we could make claims on waived players.
We are not on the top of the list so...yeah, it's likely counting as a cap hit.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | With Yi salary gone maybe the lakers can absorb mo Williams/McRae+2nd |
I think his 8m cap hit remains even though he's gone. |
then whats the point of having non guarantee contract? i think his salary goes out with him |
Salary was non-fully guaranteed.
Cap hit remains. |
i doubt that. not sure though |
We would be under the cap if his deal didn't count.
If we were under the cap we could make claims on waived players.
We are not on the top of the list so...yeah, it's likely counting as a cap hit. |
The Yi deal would really piss me off under normal circumstances.
But I don't think anybody on waiver wire would move the needle for us (in terms of wins) anyways.
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With Yi's guarantee the team is at about $91,900,000. Add in Robinson or Artest and they are at around $92,700,000. Unless there are other additions that I am not aware of, we might have about $1.4 mil in cap space. As of now we have none.
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