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No on Ibaka. Too old and on a downward trajectory.
When FA comes around next season, we will be looking at players who are not really on our radar now. The big names are few and far between and too old to fit with our core.
We need to find the next Ariza or Bazemore. The guy who is stuck behind another guy on a roster on an out of the way team with a bad coach.
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I also forgot Bucks signed Delly too. Maybe they're looking to move on from MCW like they did pre-emptively with dumping Brandon Knight. Nice article that breaks down pros/cons on him:
| Quote: | | At 6’6″, MCW is one of the tallest point guards in the league, and he uses this to his advantage, particularly on the defensive end. Per NBA Math’s Points Saved metric, Carter-Williams was one of just four Bucks to contribute positively on the defensive side of the ball, and averaging 1.5 steals per game ranked him second on the team behind just 3-and-D specialist Khris Middleton. |
| Quote: | | Carter-Williams finds most of his success via drives to the basket, either finishing over smaller guards or dishing to an open teammate around the rim, to the tune of 5.2 assists per game. MCW’s 7.7 drives per game are tops on the team by a wide margin, and he finishes at a rate of 56.9 percent within three feet of the basket. |
| Quote: | One must look no further than Golden State backup point guard Shaun Livingston to see what Carter-Williams could be in time. Livingston finds most of his success in posting up smaller guards, a skill Carter-Williams does not yet have.
While Livingston posts up 19.2 percent of the time putting up 1.00 points per possession, Carter-Williams does so only 4.7% of the time to the tune of just .43 points per possession. This is likely a result of Greg Monroe‘s seemingly immovable real estate on the low block, but going forward there is no reason why MCW wouldn’t use his large frame to his advantage by punishing smaller defenders on the block.
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http://behindthebuckpass.com/2016/08/12/milwaukee-bucks-make-break-michael-carter-williams/
Of course there are a bunch of negatives too if you read the article.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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That would be the type of signing I could see the FO going after, a guy who isn't a superstar but has enough flexibility to play multiple positions. A guy who can backup both guard spots would be a good player to target.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | gooner wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | 2014/15 offseasons we shamelessly went after the superstar names and punted when we failed.
2016 offseason we immediately went after lower tier veterans, likely b/c we knew the top names weren't coming.
I'm at a complete loss as to how 2017 will go. Will we follow the 2014/15 model or the 2016 model?
Will we try to offer large 1 year deals to preserve cap space for 2018? |
Probably depends on how successful the 2016-17 season is. |
Assuming we are a bottom 5 team, and say we don't get a top 3 pick, we'd have 31-32m in cap space, and as soon as the draft is over, IIRC, we could package a 2018 1st, and we'd also have 2 2018 2nd rounders. |
That cap number seems off.
Either relates to the old 110 mil projection, or assumes N. young opts out.
For right now, I would operate under the assumption that Young is on the books and we're probably at around 25 mil in cap room. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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In principle, you go for the absolute top 2-3 free agents, and if you fail, you punt for 2018 barring a bargain and depending on cap projections/new cba/etc.
Could probably both punt and improve the team by throwing huge 1 year offer at some "solid" free agent. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | http://www.basketballinsiders.com/remaining-cap-space-projecting-summer-2017/ |
Better to actually do the math than read projections. |
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| davidse wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | http://www.basketballinsiders.com/remaining-cap-space-projecting-summer-2017/ |
Better to actually do the math than read projections. |
Please show us how your math differs from them. Pincus is pretty good with his projections.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | davidse wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | http://www.basketballinsiders.com/remaining-cap-space-projecting-summer-2017/ |
Better to actually do the math than read projections. |
Please show us how your math differs from them. Pincus is pretty good with his projections. |
Do you realize those are pojections for maximum POSSIBLE cap space ? |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Basically, what that means is that just like I thought - it assumes Swaggy opts out which is far from guaranteed at this point, and I'm not even sure he has the lakers picking up Anthony Brown's option which is minor but is also another 500k on the books... |
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| davidse wrote: | | Basically, what that means is that just like I thought - it assumes Swaggy opts out which is far from guaranteed at this point, and I'm not even sure he has the lakers picking up Anthony Brown's option which is minor but is also another 500k on the books... |
So swaggy's 5m can easily be stretched next year. How do you get 25m in that scenario? Isn't it closer to 30m?
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | davidse wrote: | | Basically, what that means is that just like I thought - it assumes Swaggy opts out which is far from guaranteed at this point, and I'm not even sure he has the lakers picking up Anthony Brown's option which is minor but is also another 500k on the books... |
So swaggy's 5m can easily be stretched next year. How do you get 25m in that scenario? Isn't it closer to 30m? |
You can talk about options if you like, but the point is your max available cap room isn't at 31 unless you assume Swaggy opts out.
Imo (and my hope is) the lakers don't intend to stretch him, but if they do then you're probably at around 28'ish ?
Can easily do the precise math using Eric's fantastic salary page.
I just did it in my head for rough numbers, but the numbers are pretty clear.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Fwiw, I did hear some big new revenue projections for next season, so even the cap number could still climb up significantly, but we can only project by what we currently know... |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| davidse wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | http://www.basketballinsiders.com/remaining-cap-space-projecting-summer-2017/ |
Better to actually do the math than read projections. |
And it is hard to make projections with a potential lockout looming.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Ideally, I'd like to see the roster space before looking at various FA's, but FA's that I'm looking at are shooting wings/defensive wings as well as the obvious star, whether how likely that is or not. |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:11 am Post subject: |
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If we miss out on the marquee names, how about something like a huge 1 year deal to Livingston, or Sefolosha? I know they're 30+ and would probably like 1 last contract, but if Livingston got a 1 year, 18m deal, and a chance to play under Luke and get paid, why not?
Then we could punt that space forward.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:40 am Post subject: |
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Actually the Lakers are in good position for the future.
They have 2 number two draft choices and a number 7. If they have made
good decisions they are in good shape.
the next few draft years they will be paying for Nash and Howard fiascos. One more first rounder in three years. slim pickings.
But if only one or two of the young players can develop into stars there is a great future.
Best chance is DLO and Ingram.
Who can develop into decent starters Randle, Clarkson, Zubac, and Nance.
And as they develop they will want to be paid.
The Lakers maybe overpaid for Mosgov. And perhaps for Deng, but he is a good choice.
If the Lakers have a decent year, the Lakers will be in prime position to pick
up a star that wants to come to LA.
That is the key. They must want to come to LA as the money will probably be the same. |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:42 am Post subject: |
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IIRC:
2017-Randle eligible for extension, likely hit RFA status for summer of 2018. Cap hold won't be crazy for 2018 summer on him, but Lakers have a big decision on how much they will pay to keep him.
2018-DLO/Nance eligible for extension.
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The Case For Rudy Gay In LA 
The Sacramento Kings are reportedly shopping Rudy Gay, should the Lakers be interested?
| Quote: | If the Lakers decided to acquire Gay’s contract, there would be no long-term commitment.
His contract would come off of their books next summer if he decided to opt out of his current contract and with the money that players are getting with the increasing salary cap, he most certainly will.
Gay will make roughly $13.3 million this season and the Lakers would have to match his salary if they wanted to make a move.
A trade involving former Sixth Man of the Year Lou Williams and Nick “Swaggy P” Young would do the trick, and it would actually make a ton of sense for the Kings. |
http://lakeshowlife.com/2016/09/21/lakers-rudy-gay-possible-trade-scenarios/ |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:13 am Post subject: |
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have not read the article yet, but I did recognize the top of the draft will be loaded with talented PG's.......this will not help 2nd Tier/backup PG's market value next summer such as MCW. |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:17 am Post subject: |
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| adkindo wrote: |
have not read the article yet, but I did recognize the top of the draft will be loaded with talented PG's.......this will not help 2nd Tier/backup PG's market value next summer such as MCW. |
I'm kinda glad we got our PG of the future. If we miss out and the 76ers pick a PG with say a 5th pick, oh well.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:20 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | adkindo wrote: |
have not read the article yet, but I did recognize the top of the draft will be loaded with talented PG's.......this will not help 2nd Tier/backup PG's market value next summer such as MCW. |
I'm kinda glad we got our PG of the future. If we miss out and the 76ers pick a PG with say a 5th pick, oh well. |
Opportunity cost. What could we have possibly got in a trade for a top 5 pick?
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:25 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | adkindo wrote: |
have not read the article yet, but I did recognize the top of the draft will be loaded with talented PG's.......this will not help 2nd Tier/backup PG's market value next summer such as MCW. |
I'm kinda glad we got our PG of the future. If we miss out and the 76ers pick a PG with say a 5th pick, oh well. |
Sure, but we may be in the market for a FA backup PG next summer...and the loaded draft will not hurt those efforts. |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:29 am Post subject: |
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | adkindo wrote: |
have not read the article yet, but I did recognize the top of the draft will be loaded with talented PG's.......this will not help 2nd Tier/backup PG's market value next summer such as MCW. |
I'm kinda glad we got our PG of the future. If we miss out and the 76ers pick a PG with say a 5th pick, oh well. |
Opportunity cost. What could we have possibly got in a trade for a top 5 pick? |
And an unencumbered 2018 pick. At some point, we pay for our Nash-sins. I'm ok with that for 2017 and have no expectation for that pick. We have enough young players right now to develop and teaching to scratch and claw towards winning is paramount to me.
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