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yinoma2001
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| zePokar wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Over/under Magic trading for Okafor?
I don't think he'd send a premium asset (i.e. DLO/Ingram/Zub/Jules, etc.). More like an expiring + Houston's 1st. |
What would be the point ? It'd be such a random move. |
I truly think Magic loves Okafor. And if the price (in his mind) is only a late 1st, he would do it.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | zePokar wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Over/under Magic trading for Okafor?
I don't think he'd send a premium asset (i.e. DLO/Ingram/Zub/Jules, etc.). More like an expiring + Houston's 1st. |
What would be the point ? It'd be such a random move. |
I truly think Magic loves Okafor. And if the price (in his mind) is only a late 1st, he would do it. |
Has he recently talked about him ? |
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| Username wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Quote: | | For teams considering a trade for George, here’s the risk: As a free agent in the summer of 2018, he has considered re-signing with Indiana or joining his hometown Los Angeles Lakers, sources tell The Vertical |
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources-pacers-assessing-trade-market-for-paul-george-180740295.html
So rumors of both DMC and PG13 wanting to joining the Lakers in 2018. Continues to beat the dead horse of we should have never gave MozDeng or any other replacement level player more than 2 years this past summer. |
How many years were we supposed to waste leaving money on the table, hoping a couple of star players would want to come team up in Los Angeles?
I don't like the contracts, but the idea was we were supposed to have a budding young core that would win 35-ish games, be fun to watch with a couple of veterans to help guide them along. The idea was we didn't NEED to go grab big superstars right now because these guys were our future superstars.
It was only a bad plan because the young guys aren't as good (yet anyway) as we thought and the vets we signed are more washed than we thought they would be. |
No, it was bad plan b/c we overpaid for replacement level players in the disguise of veteran leadership. Point blank.
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So is there anything on the Nick Young front?
I say send him and our 2nd round pick to Washington for Trey Burke, filler, and their first or just send Young and the option to swap the Houston pick for the Washington pick. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | I'm a big Ingram stan, that being said, if it takes Ingram + fillers to get PG13, I would strongly consider that. |
I still think the org is more likely to trade Russell |
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yinoma2001
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| tox wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | I'm a big Ingram stan, that being said, if it takes Ingram + fillers to get PG13, I would strongly consider that. |
I still think the org is more likely to trade Russell |
And I think the Pacers would ask for Ingram. Like I said, I would be ok (not thrilled) with giving up 1 of them for PG13.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | tox wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | I'm a big Ingram stan, that being said, if it takes Ingram + fillers to get PG13, I would strongly consider that. |
I still think the org is more likely to trade Russell |
And I think the Pacers would ask for Ingram. Like I said, I would be ok (not thrilled) with giving up 1 of them for PG13. |
i think ingram turning into PG13 would be him hitting his ceiling, so if we could get PG13 that would be incredible. In a vacuum, i trade ingram for PG13 every day of the goddam week. The problem is that we would be mis-timing our "power curve" so to speak, as PG13's peak would not be coinciding with the other members of our youth core. |
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| 44TheLogo wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | tox wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | I'm a big Ingram stan, that being said, if it takes Ingram + fillers to get PG13, I would strongly consider that. |
I still think the org is more likely to trade Russell |
And I think the Pacers would ask for Ingram. Like I said, I would be ok (not thrilled) with giving up 1 of them for PG13. |
i think ingram turning into PG13 would be him hitting his ceiling, so if we could get PG13 that would be incredible. In a vacuum, i trade ingram for PG13 every day of the goddam week. The problem is that we would be mis-timing our "power curve" so to speak, as PG13's peak would not be coinciding with the other members of our youth core. |
Say that happens, and it took Ingram/JC (salary match) plus whatever picks we can give them:
DLO
(2017 FA)
PG13/Deng
Jules/Nance
Zub
Not too shabby. Have to move from bottom 3 and pass over mediocrity to get to where we want to be.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | zePokar wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Over/under Magic trading for Okafor?
I don't think he'd send a premium asset (i.e. DLO/Ingram/Zub/Jules, etc.). More like an expiring + Houston's 1st. |
What would be the point ? It'd be such a random move. |
I truly think Magic loves Okafor. And if the price (in his mind) is only a late 1st, he would do it. |
If Magic is going to live in the stone age, he should fire luke and reinstall BS as the coach. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | tox wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | I'm a big Ingram stan, that being said, if it takes Ingram + fillers to get PG13, I would strongly consider that. |
I still think the org is more likely to trade Russell |
And I think the Pacers would ask for Ingram. Like I said, I would be ok (not thrilled) with giving up 1 of them for PG13. |
If he's off the table, and Boston is focused on Butler, you won't do better than Russell. |
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| tox wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | tox wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | I'm a big Ingram stan, that being said, if it takes Ingram + fillers to get PG13, I would strongly consider that. |
I still think the org is more likely to trade Russell |
And I think the Pacers would ask for Ingram. Like I said, I would be ok (not thrilled) with giving up 1 of them for PG13. |
If he's off the table, and Boston is focused on Butler, you won't do better than Russell. |
PG13/DLO-nice balanced duo.
PG13/Ingram-defensive nightmare.
Can't go wrong with either IMO. If I were the Pacers I'd insist on an ingram-centric package. Would slide right into PG13's current role, whereas with DLO, you have to restructure the team (i.e. what to do with Teague, etc.).
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So are teams even scared at this point when a player says they might bolt to the Lakers? How many players have said that the past couple of years? How many have we gotten?  |
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Ingram for PG.
Russell for Butler.
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| IceInMyVeins wrote: | | So are teams even scared at this point when a player says they might bolt to the Lakers? How many players have said that the past couple of years? How many have we gotten? |
Maybe with the new management the rumors have teeth now? |
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6 teams are currently below the minimum salary requirement. A fifth of the NBA and the world isn't coming to an end like some of you thought it would if the Laker didn't meet the salary floor
https://twitter.com/MichaelVPina/status/834526350304215040
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Who made that argument? It would just be paying their players extra money...did someone make that argument? 
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Who made that argument? It would just be paying their players extra money...did someone make that argument? |
Yes. A lot of people on here was acting if it was some type of penalty if the Lakers didn't meet the floor.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | 44TheLogo wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | tox wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | I'm a big Ingram stan, that being said, if it takes Ingram + fillers to get PG13, I would strongly consider that. |
I still think the org is more likely to trade Russell |
And I think the Pacers would ask for Ingram. Like I said, I would be ok (not thrilled) with giving up 1 of them for PG13. |
i think ingram turning into PG13 would be him hitting his ceiling, so if we could get PG13 that would be incredible. In a vacuum, i trade ingram for PG13 every day of the goddam week. The problem is that we would be mis-timing our "power curve" so to speak, as PG13's peak would not be coinciding with the other members of our youth core. |
Say that happens, and it took Ingram/JC (salary match) plus whatever picks we can give them:
DLO
(2017 FA)
PG13/Deng
Jules/Nance
Zub
Not too shabby. Have to move from bottom 3 and pass over mediocrity to get to where we want to be. |
If we could simultaneously be bad enough (or lucky enough) to keep the pick this summer too, we'd be back in business. (Lonzo).
Personally, I'd try and keep JC and make it Ingram, Houston Pick, Black, Calderon. Then again, moving JC as opposed to Black + Calderon would probably be more attractive to Bird and give us more flexibility this summer. I'd think that roster would be somewhat attractive to Hayward. |
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| IceInMyVeins wrote: | Ingram for PG.
Russell for Butler.
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Add RW in FA 2018. Deng/Moz can be dumped using other pieces. If we go for short term fix, do sth like that. 
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: |
Who made that argument? It would just be paying their players extra money...did someone make that argument? |
Yes. A lot of people on here was acting if it was some type of penalty if the Lakers didn't meet the floor. |
I brought up the salary cap floor. I do think part of the reason why Jim and Mitch overpayed for C level FAs this past offseason was because of the floor. A side effect of the hail mary FA strategy from 2014 and 2015.
Ideally you meet the floor with good value contracts. And if there is a bad contract in the mix, it's expiring. It's kinda a waste to pay players extra money.
With all that considered. I'd rather be under the floor than have these Moz and Deng contracts.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | zePokar wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Over/under Magic trading for Okafor?
I don't think he'd send a premium asset (i.e. DLO/Ingram/Zub/Jules, etc.). More like an expiring + Houston's 1st. |
What would be the point ? It'd be such a random move. |
I truly think Magic loves Okafor. And if the price (in his mind) is only a late 1st, he would do it. |
If we can't use the Houston pick in a trade for a star like George, it would be silly not to take a chance on Okafor with it. Even the Oak haters can admit that right? |
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| Why would we want Okafor? |
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| BigGameHames wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | zePokar wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Over/under Magic trading for Okafor?
I don't think he'd send a premium asset (i.e. DLO/Ingram/Zub/Jules, etc.). More like an expiring + Houston's 1st. |
What would be the point ? It'd be such a random move. |
I truly think Magic loves Okafor. And if the price (in his mind) is only a late 1st, he would do it. |
If we can't use the Houston pick in a trade for a star like George, it would be silly not to take a chance on Okafor with it. Even the Oak haters can admit that right? |
If we had a stretch 4 and Ingram was shooting better, I'd consider. I am not sure Okafor can be a decent defender either.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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| danzag wrote: | | Why would we want Okafor? |
Cause he averaged 17 and 8 as a teenager. Your chances of getting that with a late 1st round pick are very small. |
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| BigGameHames wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | zePokar wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Over/under Magic trading for Okafor?
I don't think he'd send a premium asset (i.e. DLO/Ingram/Zub/Jules, etc.). More like an expiring + Houston's 1st. |
What would be the point ? It'd be such a random move. |
I truly think Magic loves Okafor. And if the price (in his mind) is only a late 1st, he would do it. |
If we can't use the Houston pick in a trade for a star like George, it would be silly not to take a chance on Okafor with it. Even the Oak haters can admit that right? |
There are other, more interesting reclamation projects out there than Okafor - Johnson? Hezonja? - and I wouldn't be surprised if the Lakers selected a better player than him at #27 in this draft, because they already did so at pick #32 in last year's draft. |
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