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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:05 pm    Post subject:

Hypothetical trade on draft day:

Mozgov / Houston pick / to Phoenix for Tyson Chandler and Barbosa
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:18 pm    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
Hypothetical trade on draft day:

Mozgov / Houston pick / to Phoenix for Tyson Chandler and Barbosa



What were the responses that you received on a pro Phoenix or at a minimum a neutral web site?


What is the motivation for Phoenix?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:44 pm    Post subject:

Bard207 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Hypothetical trade on draft day:

Mozgov / Houston pick / to Phoenix for Tyson Chandler and Barbosa



What were the responses that you received on a pro Phoenix or at a minimum a neutral web site?


What is the motivation for Phoenix?


Is that a trick question? They get a 1st round pick they can use to collect more young players, while they let there young big man develop, Mozgov will be there for insurance, while we get a more mobile rim protector and a solid bench contributor.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:44 pm    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
Hypothetical trade on draft day:

Mozgov / Houston pick / to Phoenix for Tyson Chandler and Barbosa


Chandler owed: 26.5m
Mozgov owed: 48m

so thats 21.5m for 1 1st round pick.

they also have to pay Len this summer
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:51 pm    Post subject:

Chase.button07 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Hypothetical trade on draft day:

Mozgov / Houston pick / to Phoenix for Tyson Chandler and Barbosa


Chandler owed: 26.5m
Mozgov owed: 48m

so thats 21.5m for 1 1st round pick.

they also have to pay Len this summer


That should have been on there mind when they gave Chandler and Knight big contracts, we will be doing them a favor if we made that trade, granted they take on 4 years of Mozgov, they will have a easier time letting Mozgov come off the bench then with Chandler.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:57 pm    Post subject:

They have Chriss / Bender / Len / that they need to develop, I don't think the Suns will mind doing that trade, they can have a easier time convincing Mozgov to come off the bench then with Chandler.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:57 pm    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Hypothetical trade on draft day:

Mozgov / Houston pick / to Phoenix for Tyson Chandler and Barbosa



What were the responses that you received on a pro Phoenix or at a minimum a neutral web site?


What is the motivation for Phoenix?


Is that a trick question? They get a 1st round pick they can use to collect more young players, while they let there young big man develop, Mozgov will be there for insurance, while we get a more mobile rim protector and a solid bench contributor.



As Chase.button07 has pointed out, Phoenix would be taking on a significant amount of extra salary for a late first round pick.

If they want a bench Big for insurance, they should be able to find more reasonably salaried players than Mozgov.

The Suns will have a pick early in the first round and another pick early in the second round. I am not expecting them to be hungry enough for a late first round pick to do the trade that you suggested.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:13 pm    Post subject:

Bard207 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Hypothetical trade on draft day:

Mozgov / Houston pick / to Phoenix for Tyson Chandler and Barbosa



What were the responses that you received on a pro Phoenix or at a minimum a neutral web site?


What is the motivation for Phoenix?


Is that a trick question? They get a 1st round pick they can use to collect more young players, while they let there young big man develop, Mozgov will be there for insurance, while we get a more mobile rim protector and a solid bench contributor.



The Suns will have a pick early in the first round and another pick early in the second round. I am not expecting them to be hungry enough for a late first round pick to do the trade that you suggested.


You may be right, but do they really care about adding more salary, I think they value Chriss more then Len, so they might let Len walk.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:24 pm    Post subject:

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They have Chriss / Bender / Len / that they need to develop, I don't think the Suns will mind doing that trade, they can have a easier time convincing Mozgov to come off the bench then with Chandler.


you have any reports that says Chandler has been a cancer and will look to get playing time?

contrary to that: suns took trade offers to Chandler during trade deadline and he said he prefers to stay.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:25 pm    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
Chase.button07 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Hypothetical trade on draft day:

Mozgov / Houston pick / to Phoenix for Tyson Chandler and Barbosa


Chandler owed: 26.5m
Mozgov owed: 48m

so thats 21.5m for 1 1st round pick.

they also have to pay Len this summer


That should have been on there mind when they gave Chandler and Knight big contracts, we will be doing them a favor if we made that trade, granted they take on 4 years of Mozgov, they will have a easier time letting Mozgov come off the bench then with Chandler.


so they compound their mistake by taking double the salary of mozgov? I doubt that
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:25 pm    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Hypothetical trade on draft day:

Mozgov / Houston pick / to Phoenix for Tyson Chandler and Barbosa



What were the responses that you received on a pro Phoenix or at a minimum a neutral web site?


What is the motivation for Phoenix?


Is that a trick question? They get a 1st round pick they can use to collect more young players, while they let there young big man develop, Mozgov will be there for insurance, while we get a more mobile rim protector and a solid bench contributor.



The Suns will have a pick early in the first round and another pick early in the second round. I am not expecting them to be hungry enough for a late first round pick to do the trade that you suggested.


You may be right, but do they really care about adding more salary, I think they value Chriss more then Len, so they might let Len walk.


Chriss is a PF and Len is a Center. they don't play same positions
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:28 pm    Post subject:

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you have any reports that says Chandler has been a cancer and will look to get playing time?


I don't, but they have Len/Chriss/Bender not to mention Alan Williams.

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contrary to that: suns took trade offers to Chandler during trade deadline and he said he prefers to stay.


He probably did say that, but he also would be happy coming back to his hometown.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:31 pm    Post subject:

Chase.button07 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Hypothetical trade on draft day:

Mozgov / Houston pick / to Phoenix for Tyson Chandler and Barbosa



What were the responses that you received on a pro Phoenix or at a minimum a neutral web site?


What is the motivation for Phoenix?


Is that a trick question? They get a 1st round pick they can use to collect more young players, while they let there young big man develop, Mozgov will be there for insurance, while we get a more mobile rim protector and a solid bench contributor.



The Suns will have a pick early in the first round and another pick early in the second round. I am not expecting them to be hungry enough for a late first round pick to do the trade that you suggested.


You may be right, but do they really care about adding more salary, I think they value Chriss more then Len, so they might let Len walk.


Chriss is a PF and Len is a Center. they don't play same positions


Alan Williams can play center.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:39 pm    Post subject:

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you have any reports that says Chandler has been a cancer and will look to get playing time?


I don't, but they have Len/Chriss/Bender not to mention Alan Williams.

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contrary to that: suns took trade offers to Chandler during trade deadline and he said he prefers to stay.


He probably did say that, but he also would be happy coming back to his hometown.


why? he has been a good citizen. why would they trade him and add double the salary?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:44 pm    Post subject:

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Inspector Gadget wrote:
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you have any reports that says Chandler has been a cancer and will look to get playing time?


I don't, but they have Len/Chriss/Bender not to mention Alan Williams.

Quote:
contrary to that: suns took trade offers to Chandler during trade deadline and he said he prefers to stay.


He probably did say that, but he also would be happy coming back to his hometown.


why? he has been a good citizen. why would they trade him and add double the salary?


Because they get a pick out of it.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:46 pm    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
Chase.button07 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
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you have any reports that says Chandler has been a cancer and will look to get playing time?


I don't, but they have Len/Chriss/Bender not to mention Alan Williams.

Quote:
contrary to that: suns took trade offers to Chandler during trade deadline and he said he prefers to stay.


He probably did say that, but he also would be happy coming back to his hometown.


why? he has been a good citizen. why would they trade him and add double the salary?


Because they get a pick out of it.


so they pay 21.5m to get a 28th pick?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:49 pm    Post subject:

Chase.button07 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Chase.button07 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
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you have any reports that says Chandler has been a cancer and will look to get playing time?


I don't, but they have Len/Chriss/Bender not to mention Alan Williams.

Quote:
contrary to that: suns took trade offers to Chandler during trade deadline and he said he prefers to stay.


He probably did say that, but he also would be happy coming back to his hometown.


why? he has been a good citizen. why would they trade him and add double the salary?


Because they get a pick out of it.


so they pay 21.5m to get a 28th pick?


Do you think they care? They have a bunch of unwarranted contracts on there roster.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:54 pm    Post subject:

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Do you think they care? They have a bunch of unwarranted contracts on there roster.


I think they do care. also keeping cap space makes them do trades like Calderon and others to pick up assets.

I highly doubt they trade for mozgov
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:27 pm    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
Chase.button07 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Chase.button07 wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
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you have any reports that says Chandler has been a cancer and will look to get playing time?


I don't, but they have Len/Chriss/Bender not to mention Alan Williams.

Quote:
contrary to that: suns took trade offers to Chandler during trade deadline and he said he prefers to stay.


He probably did say that, but he also would be happy coming back to his hometown.


why? he has been a good citizen. why would they trade him and add double the salary?


Because they get a pick out of it.


so they pay 21.5m to get a 28th pick?


Do you think they care? They have a bunch of unwarranted contracts on there roster.



Ha!


2017 -2018

$13,000,000....Chandler
$13,618,750....Knight
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$26,618,750


$15,280,000....Mozgov
$17,190,000....Deng
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$32,470,000



2018 - 2019

$13,500,000....Chandler
$14,631,250....Knight
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$28,131,250


$16,000,000....Mozgov
$18,000,000....Deng
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$34,000,000



2019 - 2020

$0....................Chandler
$15,643,750.....Knight
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$15,643,750


$16,720,000....Mozgov
$18,810,000....Deng
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$35,530,000
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:17 pm    Post subject:

The only way we are getting rid of moz or send is if we give up future picks or one or more of our young players. Unfortunately Mitch and Jim put us in a tough spot. Even stretching them at this point doesn't help that much with what there earning.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:02 pm    Post subject:

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The only way we are getting rid of moz or send is if we give up future picks or one or more of our young players. Unfortunately Mitch and Jim put us in a tough spot. Even stretching them at this point doesn't help that much with what there earning.

AGREED!
We're in between a rock and a hard place. All these proposed trades (Moz/Deng) are nothing more than a pipe-dream at this point in time.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:36 pm    Post subject:

I'll do

Clarkson Randle Deng and Houston pick

For Melo and New York's top 10. Sorry Phil you wanna get rid of Melo? You'll have to pay up lol
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:42 pm    Post subject:

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The only way we are getting rid of moz or send is if we give up future picks or one or more of our young players. Unfortunately Mitch and Jim put us in a tough spot. Even stretching them at this point doesn't help that much with what there earning.


Stretching both Mozgov and Deng helps significantly actually. Unless you feel that 17 million in cap space isn't helpful. Our win-loss record is far more debilitating to our efforts to improve the team than both Mozgov and Deng's contracts.

I don't think Mozgov is unmovable either. Here's a plausible scenario I feel.

Nets Get: Timofey Mozgov, Tyler Ulis, Rockets 2017 1st, & Suns 2017 2nd
Suns Get: Brook Lopez
Lakers Get: Tyson Chandler

-Nets cash in Lopez' expiring contract into desperately needed assets. Still save cap space short term.
-Suns sharply upgrade at Center, give Len another year to develop and gain Lopez' Bird Rights for when he hits free agency.
-Lakers save salary by swapping Mozgov for hometown vet Chandler who has championship experience. His contract is a year shorter and there's a reasonable chance he could even retire before it's through.
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If the pingpong balls bounce L.A.'s way in the lottery, the Lakers could approach Indy with an offer built around Brandon Ingram and a top-3 pick. That's a lot, but it wouldn't represent a Melo-style roster ravaging from George's standpoint. He's ready to win now; Ingram and a teenaged rookie won't be ready to win for years.


Lol at Ingram + top 3 for 1 yr rental of pg13? No way when he is saying he wants to win and play for contender
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The Lakers? They might be the one team confident enough to wait for George's free agency. George's interest in L.A. is real, and widely known. But nothing is certain until you get that signature, and every day between now and that July 2018 day brings the risk of some unknown variable messing up your plans.


If the pingpong balls bounce L.A.'s way in the lottery, the Lakers could approach Indy with an offer built around Brandon Ingram and a top-3 pick. That's a lot, but it wouldn't represent a Melo-style roster ravaging from George's standpoint. He's ready to win now; Ingram and a teenaged rookie won't be ready to win for years.


Lol at Ingram + top 3 for 1 yr rental of pg13? No way when he is saying he wants to win and play for contender


Yeah. No way.

1 of Tier 1 assets (DLO/BI/Top 3).

1 of Tier 2 assets (Jules/JC/Zub)

That's it. (and fillers and protected future pick).
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