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laker4life
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | Sounds about right, they play in the western conference.....now if they play in the east the win total would probably be in the high 20's, low 30's. |
Agreed.
This is a young team with no track record. The coach never held a coaching position for a full year. His only experience was coaching the Warriors which in reality is a huge difference from coaching this squad.
The Lakers young players need to perform consistently for a few years before they will get any recognition. 25 sounds right. |
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Inspector Gadget
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 10:35 am Post subject: |
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| laker4life wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | That is pretty much where I stand. I think replacing Byron adds 10 wins, losing Kobe subtracts 4 wins, development of the young players adds 3 wins, FA additions add 3 wins. |
You think Kobe was a positive on the court last year? |
Kobe won games for us that we wouldn't have won without him. |
He also cost us games by making dumb mistakes at crunch time.I don't see why you would suggest otherwise. |
Kobe helped us more than hurt us. |
ISO ball was still annoying and frustrating especially with 2 good scorers in Russell and Clarkson. |
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mttbk
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm going with over 43 wins. No Scott huge, no Kobe huge, much better players top to bottom, everyones a year older, Luke will overcome most of the growing pains. So many positives. |
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fiendishoc
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | tox wrote: | | cKPayasoLoco wrote: | | tox wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | That is pretty much where I stand. I think replacing Byron adds 10 wins, losing Kobe subtracts 4 wins, development of the young players adds 3 wins, FA additions add 3 wins. |
You think Kobe was a positive on the court last year? |
Kobe won games for us that we wouldn't have won without him. |
Something I've thought about as well. I'm not sure how many games we'd have won replacing him with a Wes Johnson type player. I can think of the Philly game after he announced his retirement, but that's it off the top of my head. |
there was this one game in april he went nuts in the 4th quarter to bring us back too |
No, you misunderstand me. He had several games where he was good and got us wins when we shouldn't have. His finale is a particularly notable example.
The question is, how many losses did he get us in games we should have won? Because we sucked regardless, Kobe's 6-19 shooting might not have really made a difference even though it is a negative. So those games don't count. However, in Philly we should have won except Kobe kept jacking up (and missing) 3 after 3, so we lost to an 0-28 team (or whatever they were). How many games like that Philly game were there?
It's certainly within the realm of possibility that he overall contributed more wins, just because he won us games we shouldn't have won and then sucked in games we'd have lost anyways.
Personally I still think he cost us wins even factoring this logic. But that's just a baseless speculation. |
This post is pure logic. |
And it disagrees with what you posted. |
I think 2.0 meant that in a negative way.  |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 1:22 am Post subject: |
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| Pretty much in line with what I'm thinking tbh. |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 5:42 am Post subject: |
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| That projection is slightly pessimistic, but then I have fan bias. I have the Lakers penciled-in with a range of 27 to 32 wins this season, which averages at 29.5 wins. |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 5:47 am Post subject: |
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| angrypuppy wrote: | | That projection is slightly pessimistic, but then I have fan bias. I have the Lakers penciled-in with a range of 27 to 32 wins this season, which averages at 29.5 wins. |
27-32 wins is my exact range too.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:18 am Post subject: |
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| Lol Byron Scott officially became the sad sack |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:56 am Post subject: |
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| angrypuppy wrote: | | That projection is slightly pessimistic, but then I have fan bias. I have the Lakers penciled-in with a range of 27 to 32 wins this season, which averages at 29.5 wins. |
30 wins or more would be a good season in my mind
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King Randle
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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| defense wrote: | | I would bet over and collect easy money |
Agreed. I see 30-33 wins. |
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AFireInside619
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Very low in my opinion. Vegas got this one wrong I believe. |
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lalakersfan88
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| I think it's low but Vegas is usually right "most" of the time. |
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LakerMindLA
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There is no doubt the Lakers have improved and removing Scott from the equation plays a big role. However, that doesn't mean the Lakers will win significantly more games this year.
It is all relative and a bunch of the bad teams from last year have also improved.
The question becomes on a neutral court, other than Brooklyn and Philadelphia, which other teams would the Lakers be favored against? |
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Inspector Gadget
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | There is no doubt the Lakers have improved and removing Scott from the equation plays a big role. However, that doesn't mean the Lakers will win significantly more games this year.
It is all relative and a bunch of the bad teams from last year have also improved.
The question becomes on a neutral court, other than Brooklyn and Philadelphia, which other teams would the Lakers be favored against? |
Besides Brooklyn and Philly.
I would put
Phoenix
Sacramento
Dallas
Miami
New York
As teams the Lakers should be favored over or better then. |
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Laker_Dynasty_01
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| ^Conveniently ignored the first two thirds of last night's game |
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Inspector Gadget
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Laker_Dynasty_01 wrote: | | ^Conveniently ignored the first two thirds of last night's game |
Are you commenting on my post? Is my take to optimistic? |
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Laker_Dynasty_01
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Laker_Dynasty_01 wrote: | | ^Conveniently ignored the first two thirds of last night's game |
Are you commenting on my post? Is my take to optimistic? |
If games were 60 minutes long and we were allowed 17 on the active roster, your post would've been just right. Too bad we won't see much benefit from having the best 15 man rotation in the bottom fourth of the league. |
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Inspector Gadget
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Laker_Dynasty_01 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Laker_Dynasty_01 wrote: | | ^Conveniently ignored the first two thirds of last night's game |
Are you commenting on my post? Is my take to optimistic? |
If games were 60 minutes long and we were allowed 17 on the active roster, your post would've been just right. Too bad we won't see much benefit from having the best 15 man rotation in the bottom fourth of the league. |
Is my post to outrageous? Cause I can explain why we are better then those teams.
But I don't expect to change your tune. The reason why we will overachieve? It's simple cause we have a elite defensive player on the roster and not many teams have those. |
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lakersboy
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| mttbk wrote: | | I'm going with over 43 wins. No Scott huge, no Kobe huge, much better players top to bottom, everyones a year older, Luke will overcome most of the growing pains. So many positives. |
I'd give them at least 43.
Much better starting and backup centers.
Better pf's overall.
Better sf's
Better sg's
Better pg's
Better depth
Better Coaching
Better defense
Better substitution patterns.
Improved players:
ABrown
Clarkson
Nance
Black
Russell
Randle
Some have improved more than others but all will play and display improved abilities. |
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golaker
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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Teams in the west that are better:
Warriors, Spurs, Clippers, Rockets, Thunder, Grizzlies, Jazz, Timberwolves, Pelicans, Blazers
Teams that are equal/beatable:
Nuggets, mavs, kings, suns
Teams in the east that are better:
Cavs, Heat, Pacers, Bulls, Raptors, Celtics, Bucks, Hornets, Pistons, Wizards, Knicks
Teams that are equal/beatable: Magic, 76ers, Hawks, Nets
By my logic, we have 16 wins against the west, and 8 wins against the east, which puts us precisely at 24 wins, which is exactly where vegas has us, coincidentally.
Coaching will be the difference if we're able to overachieve. Hopefully Luke can bring the team together quickly.
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Halflife
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Our defense will be elite |
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Tark the Shark
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| This is sucker bet. Vegas is smarter than all of us. Take the under. It's actually 25 now so you get an extra half game. |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| easiest money ever. |
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Goldenwest
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | O/U should be 35.
But I can live with 24 cause it's more easier not to lose money if you bet the under or over. |
35 is a better win total. They're basing 24 on last year's performance. But its seems tanking and not using the team's talent optimally wasn't part of the equation.
I still say about 27 win potential last year. Give this team about a 10 win bump from that = 35 - 37. |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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You can't just look at how much we've improved.
You have to also consider how much others have improved as well. |
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