Elon Musk Set to Unveil Mars Colonization Plan

 
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:44 am    Post subject: Elon Musk Set to Unveil Mars Colonization Plan

On Tuesday (9/27).

http://www.floridatoday.com/story/tech/science/space/spacex/2016/09/25/spacex-elon-musk-unveil-mars-colonization-plan/90836334/
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 11:37 am    Post subject:

Didnt these guys just blow up one of their rockets and they're talking about going to mars? Gotta learn how to crawl first

SpaceX gets indirectly subsidized by the government. They have a ton of contracts with corporations in the MIC.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 12:51 pm    Post subject:

We should start colonizing the seafloor before contemplating space colonization.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 1:21 pm    Post subject:

Id love to go to mars
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 12:54 pm    Post subject:

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We should start colonizing the seafloor before contemplating space colonization.


That does not accomplish the main goal of SpaceX to make life multi-planetary.

You are free to start your own company to colonize the seafloor.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 1:00 pm    Post subject:

DeeAgeaux wrote:
Gatekeeper wrote:
We should start colonizing the seafloor before contemplating space colonization.


That does not accomplish the main goal of SpaceX to make life multi-planetary.

You are free to start your own company to colonize the seafloor.


The sea floor is also pretty damn harsh.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 1:01 pm    Post subject:

Laker4andmore wrote:
Didnt these guys just blow up one of their rockets and they're talking about going to mars? Gotta learn how to crawl first

SpaceX gets indirectly subsidized by the government. They have a ton of contracts with corporations in the MIC.


Boeing has much heavy subsidies from the government.

Every Tesla competitor receives more subsidies from their national government or is a national government.

Companies that use rocket ferry services are involved in the MIC.

SpaceX blew up an unmanned rocket. Here the name of the game is the lowest cost per flight over 100 flights. It does not matter if they blow up one or five ships as long as they have the lowest overall cost including blown up cargo.

Manned ships is where safety becomes much more important. But if it cost $1B to get rocket that is 99.99 safe and $1 Trillion to get a rocket that is 99.999 safe the sensible thing to do is go with the $1B ship as long as crew is aware of the risk.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 1:50 pm    Post subject:

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DeeAgeaux wrote:
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We should start colonizing the seafloor before contemplating space colonization.


That does not accomplish the main goal of SpaceX to make life multi-planetary.

You are free to start your own company to colonize the seafloor.


The sea floor is also pretty damn harsh.


Exactly, which is why we should take baby steps to get to space travel let alone space colonization.

How can one possibly think to confront the myriad of problems interplanetary colonization presents before solving ways to utilize the "harsh" conditions of living underwater on this planet.

On earth at the Abyssmal Zone, temperatures can drop to 2 to 3 degrees C; compare that to Mars where temperatures range from 120 to minus 73 degrees C. On the ocean floor there are viable energy sources to sustain life, whereas the environment on Mars makes it questionable as to whether any form of life exists; nevermind contemplating the possibility of sustained living.

At this point colonizing other planets besides our own is a foolhardy prospect given that at this point we don't have the means to integrate ourselves into all the possible biomes found on our home planet.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 1:56 pm    Post subject:

Mankind has a better chance of colonizing Mars than the seafloor just because the pressure of the seafloor would crush any humans.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:13 pm    Post subject:

Also, the point isn't just to colonize for the sake of colonizing. We regularly find asteroids passing right by us weeks if not days in advance. It's a hedge against another extinction event.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:16 pm    Post subject:

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Mankind has a better chance of colonizing Mars than the seafloor just because the pressure of the seafloor would crush any humans.


Most likely environment for marine human settlement would take place in the euphotic zone (area where light can penetrate the water) on average this would be 200m in depth. Our deep-diving, man operated submersibles can reach 10,000m. So in this shallow zone, people can live submerged underwater.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:18 pm    Post subject:

Mankind has a better chance of colonizing Mars than they do of actually getting along
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:19 pm    Post subject:

I can't help but to wonder how out of reach a 6.8 mile long elevator and a dome the size of a city block that could withstand the water pressure on the ocean floor would be.

Sounds like a pretty dope vacation destination if you ask me.

Mile low club here I come!


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:20 pm    Post subject:

DuncanIdaho wrote:
Also, the point isn't just to colonize for the sake of colonizing. We regularly find asteroids passing right by us weeks if not days in advance. It's a hedge against another extinction event.


That's great; I'm just saying if man can't adapt to the harsh conditions found on this planet, chances are the problems of living on other planets are likely to screw us over tenfold.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:38 pm    Post subject:

Who is he to colonize Mars? It's not like he owns it.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:39 pm    Post subject:

Of course there will be challenges.

But humans overcome. Human ingenuity at work.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:43 pm    Post subject:

Is it sort of a disease of humans to defile what they have and just look for something else?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:25 pm    Post subject:

How is he going to colonize the Martians... by giving them blankets with small pox?!
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