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I feel like the last year KG was really himself was 2007-2008. He had that knee injury in 2008-2009 and was never the same player afterward.
If that injury doesn't happen, very possible that that Celtics team threepeats. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
Until Dirk improbably won a title a few years ago you would have been laughed off of this forum for making this comparison. The magic of ringz and Finals MVPs...
It started brewing long before then. In 2004, Dirk started to displace KG on first-team all-NBA, even though KG started winning rebounding titles. The finals win jettisoned Dirk's rep, but he was already a regular season MVP and perennial all-star before then.
On top of that, KG has hung around for a long time to diminishing results, so people forget how good and respected he was.
When it comes to PFs, it's Duncan, and then Malone, and then a scrum with Barkley, Dirk, and KG (and occasionally Bob Petit for those who remember him).
If the argument for KG over Dirk is that he's the better 2-way player, then that would be true with KG over every PF in history aside from Duncan.
Until Dirk improbably won a title a few years ago you would have been laughed off of this forum for making this comparison. The magic of ringz and Finals MVPs...
It started brewing long before then. In 2004, Dirk started to displace KG on first-team all-NBA, even though KG started winning rebounding titles. The finals win jettisoned Dirk's rep, but he was already a regular season MVP and perennial all-star before then.
On top of that, KG has hung around for a long time to diminishing results, so people forget how good and respected he was.
When it comes to PFs, it's Duncan, and then Malone, and then a scrum with Barkley, Dirk, and KG (and occasionally Bob Petit for those who remember him).
If the argument for KG over Dirk is that he's the better 2-way player, then that would be true with KG over every PF in history aside from Duncan.
I think the top all time PF tier is Duncan, Malone, and Garnett. _________________ 14-5-3-12
Until Dirk improbably won a title a few years ago you would have been laughed off of this forum for making this comparison. The magic of ringz and Finals MVPs...
It started brewing long before then. In 2004, Dirk started to displace KG on first-team all-NBA, even though KG started winning rebounding titles. The finals win jettisoned Dirk's rep, but he was already a regular season MVP and perennial all-star before then.
On top of that, KG has hung around for a long time to diminishing results, so people forget how good and respected he was.
When it comes to PFs, it's Duncan, and then Malone, and then a scrum with Barkley, Dirk, and KG (and occasionally Bob Petit for those who remember him).
If the argument for KG over Dirk is that he's the better 2-way player, then that would be true with KG over every PF in history aside from Duncan.
I think the top all time PF tier is Duncan, Malone, and Garnett.
I agree with that tier, but also the order. Garnett may have been a more "feared" defensive player, but Malone, in his prime, gave you 11 rebounds and 1.5 steals and was a far better offensive player.
This is very similar to the Worthy vs Pippen comparison and which I chose Worthy because he was more complete offensively. I think Dirk was better than KG for the same reasons.
You could run your offense through Dirk in big playoff games. He made everyone around him better. Dirk's elite offense had more impact on wins and was better than KG's two way ability.
Until Dirk improbably won a title a few years ago you would have been laughed off of this forum for making this comparison. The magic of ringz and Finals MVPs...
It started brewing long before then. In 2004, Dirk started to displace KG on first-team all-NBA, even though KG started winning rebounding titles. The finals win jettisoned Dirk's rep, but he was already a regular season MVP and perennial all-star before then.
On top of that, KG has hung around for a long time to diminishing results, so people forget how good and respected he was.
When it comes to PFs, it's Duncan, and then Malone, and then a scrum with Barkley, Dirk, and KG (and occasionally Bob Petit for those who remember him).
If the argument for KG over Dirk is that he's the better 2-way player, then that would be true with KG over every PF in history aside from Duncan.
The argument is more along the lines that Dirk is a better shooter and scorer, but that's outweighed by KG being so much better than him defensively and as a rebounder. So it's not simply about KG being a better two-way player, but how much better he is in different parts of the game. And that will vary in each comparison
With, say, Karl Malone, the gap as defenders isn't as large; rebounding is probably a wash; and Malone always has a longevity advantage.
KG was a better player than Dirk in their primes. KG was an all around monster before Boston. At one point, for a small window of time, I believed KG was the best player in the game. I've never thought that of Dirk. He's a great shooter, but he had his weaknesses. _________________ "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up."-The Greatest
KG was a better player than Dirk in their primes. KG was an all around monster before Boston. At one point, for a small window of time, I believed KG was the best player in the game. I've never thought that of Dirk. He's a great shooter, but he had his weaknesses.
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Until Dirk improbably won a title a few years ago you would have been laughed off of this forum for making this comparison. The magic of ringz and Finals MVPs...
It started brewing long before then. In 2004, Dirk started to displace KG on first-team all-NBA, even though KG started winning rebounding titles. The finals win jettisoned Dirk's rep, but he was already a regular season MVP and perennial all-star before then.
On top of that, KG has hung around for a long time to diminishing results, so people forget how good and respected he was.
When it comes to PFs, it's Duncan, and then Malone, and then a scrum with Barkley, Dirk, and KG (and occasionally Bob Petit for those who remember him).
If the argument for KG over Dirk is that he's the better 2-way player, then that would be true with KG over every PF in history aside from Duncan.
The argument is more along the lines that Dirk is a better shooter and scorer, but that's outweighed by KG being so much better than him defensively and as a rebounder. So it's not simply about KG being a better two-way player, but how much better he is in different parts of the game. And that will vary in each comparison
With, say, Karl Malone, the gap as defenders isn't as large; rebounding is probably a wash; and Malone always has a longevity advantage.
What about McHale vs KG as a 2 way comparison, or any comparison?
Until Dirk improbably won a title a few years ago you would have been laughed off of this forum for making this comparison. The magic of ringz and Finals MVPs...
It started brewing long before then. In 2004, Dirk started to displace KG on first-team all-NBA, even though KG started winning rebounding titles. The finals win jettisoned Dirk's rep, but he was already a regular season MVP and perennial all-star before then.
On top of that, KG has hung around for a long time to diminishing results, so people forget how good and respected he was.
When it comes to PFs, it's Duncan, and then Malone, and then a scrum with Barkley, Dirk, and KG (and occasionally Bob Petit for those who remember him).
If the argument for KG over Dirk is that he's the better 2-way player, then that would be true with KG over every PF in history aside from Duncan.
The argument is more along the lines that Dirk is a better shooter and scorer, but that's outweighed by KG being so much better than him defensively and as a rebounder. So it's not simply about KG being a better two-way player, but how much better he is in different parts of the game. And that will vary in each comparison
With, say, Karl Malone, the gap as defenders isn't as large; rebounding is probably a wash; and Malone always has a longevity advantage.
What about McHale vs KG as a 2 way comparison, or any comparison?
McHale is certainly up there with the greatest power forwards of all time. Great post moves, great defender. KG trumps him as a defender, passer and rebounder.
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