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| sonic the laker wrote: | | KG24 wrote: | | Why would you want to trade Lou Williams... he is an excellent player. Some are made because he is a little better than the young boys. It's call competition. He is making them step their game up. |
Exactly what part of Lou's game is "better" than the young boys? Excellent player? In what multiverse? Sure ain't this one, not from what I've witnessed. The only thing I've seen him excel at, above others, is his ability to hit floating shots, and draw fouls. Are these necessary skills, or just good options to have, in addition to more important basketball fundamentals? I'm for the latter.
Not hating on Lou, and he may be an excellent teammate. But, as far as on court performance, he doesn't fit what this team needs, imo. Defensively lacking, and offensively incongruent.
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Let's see. He ranked in the 97th, 95th, and 92nd percentile in isolation, pick and roll ballhandler, and spot up shooting efficiency last year (and was above average to well above average in cuts, off screen plays, and hand offs as well), and this year, he's shown that he's catching on to the ball movement style while still being efficient and effective, and oh yeah, he's even played decent defense in the pre-season.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | sonic the laker wrote: | | KG24 wrote: | | Why would you want to trade Lou Williams... he is an excellent player. Some are made because he is a little better than the young boys. It's call competition. He is making them step their game up. |
Exactly what part of Lou's game is "better" than the young boys? Excellent player? In what multiverse? Sure ain't this one, not from what I've witnessed. The only thing I've seen him excel at, above others, is his ability to hit floating shots, and draw fouls. Are these necessary skills, or just good options to have, in addition to more important basketball fundamentals? I'm for the latter.
Not hating on Lou, and he may be an excellent teammate. But, as far as on court performance, he doesn't fit what this team needs, imo. Defensively lacking, and offensively incongruent.
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Let's see. He ranked in the 97th, 95th, and 92nd percentile in isolation, pick and roll ballhandler, and spot up shooting efficiency last year (and was above average to well above average in cuts, off screen plays, and hand offs as well), and this year, he's shown that he's catching on to the ball movement style while still being efficient and effective, and oh yeah, he's even played decent defense in the pre-season. |
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or serious, when stating those numbers. You really going to compare how Lou played last year, under a different coach, who ran a completely different offense, and use it as a reason to keep him now? Nope. Not me.
I've stated many times before that Lou is a potent offensive player. But, his offense isn't any better than Russell's Clarkson's, or Nick's, except for those floating shots, and knack for getting to the free throw line, like I stated earlier. And, those things don't gloss over the fact the he's a horrible defender. To his credit, I did see more effort on D, in the last preseason game he played in. But, a fish can make an effort to walk on land. Doesn't mean it's suited for it.
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| sonic the laker wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | sonic the laker wrote: | | KG24 wrote: | | Why would you want to trade Lou Williams... he is an excellent player. Some are made because he is a little better than the young boys. It's call competition. He is making them step their game up. |
Exactly what part of Lou's game is "better" than the young boys? Excellent player? In what multiverse? Sure ain't this one, not from what I've witnessed. The only thing I've seen him excel at, above others, is his ability to hit floating shots, and draw fouls. Are these necessary skills, or just good options to have, in addition to more important basketball fundamentals? I'm for the latter.
Not hating on Lou, and he may be an excellent teammate. But, as far as on court performance, he doesn't fit what this team needs, imo. Defensively lacking, and offensively incongruent.
ZOOM!!!!!!! |
Let's see. He ranked in the 97th, 95th, and 92nd percentile in isolation, pick and roll ballhandler, and spot up shooting efficiency last year (and was above average to well above average in cuts, off screen plays, and hand offs as well), and this year, he's shown that he's catching on to the ball movement style while still being efficient and effective, and oh yeah, he's even played decent defense in the pre-season. |
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or serious, when stating those numbers. You really going to compare how Lou played last year, under a different coach, who ran a completely different offense, and use it as a reason to keep him now? Nope. Not me.
I've stated many times before that Lou is a potent offensive player. But, his offense isn't any better than Russell's Clarkson's, or Nick's, except for those floating shots, and knack for getting to the free throw line, like I stated earlier. And, those things don't gloss over the fact the he's a horrible defender. To his credit, I did see more effort on D, in the last preseason game he played in. But, a fish can make an effort to walk on land. Doesn't mean it's suited for it.
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No, I'm using his numbers at a variety of skills that fit in any offense, which he displayed over multiple years, and the fact that he's performed well adapting top Luke's as well, and even improved his defensive intensity a serious amount.
But hey, your preconceived meme is much more important than understanding or observation. Zoom indeed, right past your tunnel visioned view.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Even if it isn't warranted, Lou is going to get some flack this year. Some will see him as taking touches from the youth. Others will wish we had a defender in is place (even if lesser value). They gave sizable deals to a big and a wing in FA based on veteran leadership and defensive ability, they need a guard version on this roster. |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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FWIW, I think Lou's looked pretty solid in the offense after that foul baiting first game where he totally killed the flow of the offense. And he's honestly quite good off the pick and roll
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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He looked pretty solid on defense the second half (that is all of the game that I have seen so far)
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| I want to see him at PG in the second unit along BI and Young. He ca share PG duties with Ingram who looked great with Ball in His hands |
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If I were Mitch, I would seriously explore possibilities to find a taker for a pair of Lou/Nick + Randle/Nance. But only if it brings back a star-level PF. We could use Yi to make salaries work.
It's just that I see all of them as solid backups while we lack a good starter at PF. We also lack a star-level starter at guards, but there we have promising youngsters I would not part with (at least yet). Randle/Nance OTOH, I think one of them suffices.
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| s_habe wrote: | If I were Mitch, I would seriously explore possibilities to find a taker for a pair of Lou/Nick + Randle/Nance. But only if it brings back a star-level PF. We could use Yi to make salaries work.
It's just that I see all of them as solid backups while we lack a good starter at PF. We also lack a star-level starter at guards, but there we have promising youngsters I would not part with (at least yet). Randle/Nance OTOH, I think one of them suffices. |
Which there is none available. |
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| s_habe wrote: | If I were Mitch, I would seriously explore possibilities to find a taker for a pair of Lou/Nick + Randle/Nance. But only if it brings back a star-level PF. We could use Yi to make salaries work.
It's just that I see all of them as solid backups while we lack a good starter at PF. We also lack a star-level starter at guards, but there we have promising youngsters I would not part with (at least yet). Randle/Nance OTOH, I think one of them suffices. |
You think that package brings back a star PF? 
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| Lou + Randle + Huertas/Claderon for a starting PG |
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| av3773 wrote: | | Lou + Randle + Huertas/Claderon for a starting PG |
I don't think Randle's value is that high outside of LA, just being honest. He's also up for an extension soon.
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| av3773 wrote: | | Lou + Randle + Huertas/Claderon for a starting PG |
Throw in a 2nd rounder and Goran Dragic, here we come! |
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Seems like Cleveland really wants to trade Moe Williams and McRae. The following trade would free up cap next summer.
Celveland Get:
Lou Williams - SG
Lakers Get:
Moe Williams - PG
Jordan McRae - SG
2019 2nd Round Pick we owe them
Waive Moe Williams & McRae has some potential as a scorer. Adds the $7 Million from Lou to the cap next year. |
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| adkindo wrote: | Seems like Cleveland really wants to trade Moe Williams and McRae. The following trade would free up cap next summer.
Celveland Get:
Lou Williams - SG
Lakers Get:
Moe Williams - PG
Jordan McRae - SG
2019 2nd Round Pick we owe them
Waive Moe Williams & McRae has some potential as a scorer. Adds the $7 Million from Lou to the cap next year. |
Interesting. And they have guys who can cover his defensive weaknesses.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | av3773 wrote: | | Lou + Randle + Huertas/Claderon for a starting PG |
Throw in a 2nd rounder and Goran Dragic, here we come! |
Dragic and Russell back court would be interesting to watch. |
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| adkindo wrote: | Seems like Cleveland really wants to trade Moe Williams and McRae. The following trade would free up cap next summer.
Celveland Get:
Lou Williams - SG
Lakers Get:
Moe Williams - PG
Jordan McRae - SG
2019 2nd Round Pick we owe them
Waive Moe Williams & McRae has some potential as a scorer. Adds the $7 Million from Lou to the cap next year. |
lou has enough value where we can get Shumpert type player. no idea why cavs do that. |
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Yi/Lou/ 2 2nd round picks for Dragic.
cheap Riley gets 8mil savings and 2 2nd round picks.
would love to see Dragic/D LO back court |
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| Jim99187 wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | Seems like Cleveland really wants to trade Moe Williams and McRae. The following trade would free up cap next summer.
Celveland Get:
Lou Williams - SG
Lakers Get:
Moe Williams - PG
Jordan McRae - SG
2019 2nd Round Pick we owe them
Waive Moe Williams & McRae has some potential as a scorer. Adds the $7 Million from Lou to the cap next year. |
lou has enough value where we can get Shumpert type player. no idea why cavs do that. |
why Cavs do what? |
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Would you guys trade Randle plus filler for Dragic?
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| Lou doesn't have much value. It's not because he's a chucker but because he's a 6'0 chucker that doesn't play defense. I think teams can live with the up and down scoring but being undersized really hurts his value. SG's can shoot right over him. |
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| iimarshon wrote: | | Would you guys trade Randle plus filler for Dragic? |
not me. I think randle has value. Led summer in rbs. He's going into 2nd year of playing |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2016 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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Lou has value because of his contract, not just his scoring punch.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2016 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Late first round pick I think he nets easily. The Shumpert idea (no real role with J.R Smith resigned) is intriguing as well. |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2016 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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Lou is scoring punch off the bench. The problem is he is a SG in a PG body and that is why he is better off of the bench. When Lou starts with Russell, you have a very undersized SG and he will struggle against bigger SG. I think Clarkson is similarly undersized but is still much bigger than Lou. Lou has value in the league for any contending team that needs some bench scoring. He would be a younger version of Moe Williams for the Cavs.
Nothing against Lou but this team isn't ready for Lou at this point. |
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