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| Worthy42 wrote: | I kind of want to see Luke roll out a lineup of
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Feel like we haven't seen Deng at the 4 too much. Would like to see how that would play out. I feel like he has a better post game and makes better decisions from the low block. Seems like the Deng/Randle/Moz front court is pretty clunky right now.
Would like to see;
Jose/JC/Randle/Nance/Black
run also. Feel like that would be a lineup that would maximize Julius as that'll present more transition opportunities for him. Nance and Black can also play further away from the basket giving Julius room to operate in half court sets too.
Ingram I would also like to see in the starting lineup dependant on matchups and size need, so the first scenario over Lou would be interesting or at SF and slide Nick to SG. In the second lineup he could fill in for Nance or we can try to slide JC to PG and Ingram at 2. |
And I doubt we see Deng at the 4 much.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Worthy42 wrote: | I kind of want to see Luke roll out a lineup of
DLo
Lou
Nick
Deng
Moz
Feel like we haven't seen Deng at the 4 too much. Would like to see how that would play out. I feel like he has a better post game and makes better decisions from the low block. Seems like the Deng/Randle/Moz front court is pretty clunky right now.
Would like to see;
Jose/JC/Randle/Nance/Black
run also. Feel like that would be a lineup that would maximize Julius as that'll present more transition opportunities for him. Nance and Black can also play further away from the basket giving Julius room to operate in half court sets too.
Ingram I would also like to see in the starting lineup dependant on matchups and size need, so the first scenario over Lou would be interesting or at SF and slide Nick to SG. In the second lineup he could fill in for Nance or we can try to slide JC to PG and Ingram at 2. |
And I doubt we see Deng at the 4 much. |
As Ingram starts meriting more minutes, where else would Deng see additional minutes?
Assuming Ingram's play earns him 25mpg, I doubt the Lakers cap Deng at 23mpg. I think he'll see some spot minutes at PF this year, but once Ingram takes over at SF (and Deng ages), we will see him a lot more as a combo forward.
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Toney Douglas and JaKarr Sampson were recently waived and both could bring a bit more athleticism and much-needed perimeter defense, if the Lakers decided to pick either player up. And there may be a few more interesting players cut loose in the next two weeks who could make more of an impact or have more upside than Yi, Brown, or Huertas.
Toney Douglas or the Catalyst? Has Mitch ever picked up a waived player? |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 9:08 am Post subject: |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Toney Douglas and JaKarr Sampson were recently waived and both could bring a bit more athleticism and much-needed perimeter defense, if the Lakers decided to pick either player up. And there may be a few more interesting players cut loose in the next two weeks who could make more of an impact or have more upside than Yi, Brown, or Huertas.
Toney Douglas or the Catalyst? Has Mitch ever picked up a waived player? |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Worthy42 wrote: | I kind of want to see Luke roll out a lineup of
DLo
Lou
Nick
Deng
Moz
Feel like we haven't seen Deng at the 4 too much. Would like to see how that would play out. I feel like he has a better post game and makes better decisions from the low block. Seems like the Deng/Randle/Moz front court is pretty clunky right now.
Would like to see;
Jose/JC/Randle/Nance/Black
run also. Feel like that would be a lineup that would maximize Julius as that'll present more transition opportunities for him. Nance and Black can also play further away from the basket giving Julius room to operate in half court sets too.
Ingram I would also like to see in the starting lineup dependant on matchups and size need, so the first scenario over Lou would be interesting or at SF and slide Nick to SG. In the second lineup he could fill in for Nance or we can try to slide JC to PG and Ingram at 2. |
And I doubt we see Deng at the 4 much. |
As Ingram starts meriting more minutes, where else would Deng see additional minutes?
Assuming Ingram's play earns him 25mpg, I doubt the Lakers cap Deng at 23mpg. I think he'll see some spot minutes at PF this year, but once Ingram takes over at SF (and Deng ages), we will see him a lot more as a combo forward. |
That kind of thinking is premature, Ingram doesn't deserve more minutes and when he does, they will likely come at the SF position with Deng on the bench.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Worthy42 wrote: | I kind of want to see Luke roll out a lineup of
DLo
Lou
Nick
Deng
Moz
Feel like we haven't seen Deng at the 4 too much. Would like to see how that would play out. I feel like he has a better post game and makes better decisions from the low block. Seems like the Deng/Randle/Moz front court is pretty clunky right now.
Would like to see;
Jose/JC/Randle/Nance/Black
run also. Feel like that would be a lineup that would maximize Julius as that'll present more transition opportunities for him. Nance and Black can also play further away from the basket giving Julius room to operate in half court sets too.
Ingram I would also like to see in the starting lineup dependant on matchups and size need, so the first scenario over Lou would be interesting or at SF and slide Nick to SG. In the second lineup he could fill in for Nance or we can try to slide JC to PG and Ingram at 2. |
And I doubt we see Deng at the 4 much. |
As Ingram starts meriting more minutes, where else would Deng see additional minutes?
Assuming Ingram's play earns him 25mpg, I doubt the Lakers cap Deng at 23mpg. I think he'll see some spot minutes at PF this year, but once Ingram takes over at SF (and Deng ages), we will see him a lot more as a combo forward. |
That kind of thinking is premature, Ingram doesn't deserve more minutes and when he does, they will likely come at the SF position with Deng on the bench. |
And that thinking flies in the face of what happens to a lot of SFs like Deng as they age. Look at even Paul Pierce. As he aged, the small ball PF became a better position for him. Same with Deng.
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We have two young players we are developing at the PF position. That is part of the reason Deng has seen virtually no PF minutes this preseason, we are not trying to develop him.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | We have two young players we are developing at the PF position. That is part of the reason Deng has seen virtually no PF minutes this preseason, we are not trying to develop him. |
Who says this season? I'm saying AS Ingram merits more minutes down the road...
Deng will be a combo forward. If Ingram starts getting 28-30mpg in a year or two, Deng will be playing more at both spots. We're already seeing Randle play some small ball 5 minutes. (And IIRC Deng did play some PF minutes preseason already).
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Doubtful, I don't see the Lakers sitting Randle and Nance for Deng.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Doubtful, I don't see the Lakers sitting Randle and Nance for Deng. |
I'm not talking about stealing 20mpg at PF.
He's going to play around 22-24mpg at SF, and then I see him playing a few minutes at PF too, especially if one of Randle/Nance get hurt.
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| Hector the Pup wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Toney Douglas and JaKarr Sampson were recently waived and both could bring a bit more athleticism and much-needed perimeter defense, if the Lakers decided to pick either player up. And there may be a few more interesting players cut loose in the next two weeks who could make more of an impact or have more upside than Yi, Brown, or Huertas.
Toney Douglas or the Catalyst? Has Mitch ever picked up a waived player? |
Tarik Black says hi. So does Carlos Boozer. |
I...I have no long-term memory... |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Doubtful, I don't see the Lakers sitting Randle and Nance for Deng. |
I'm not talking about stealing 20mpg at PF.
He's going to play around 22-24mpg at SF, and then I see him playing a few minutes at PF too, especially if one of Randle/Nance get hurt. |
If one of Randle/Nance gets hurt than I'm right there with you in putting Deng at PF. Assuming everyone is healthy Luke's actually going to have quite of task of giving everybody their appropriate minutes. The only person you have on lock really is DLO. Play him as much as you can. I'd say play Clarkson as much as you can as well, but assuming he's coming off the bench that might be tricky.
Deng/Ingram, Randle/Nance, Mozgof/Black/Zubac. I guess if you're going to eat into somebody's minutes you'd go after the back up bigs'. |
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Deng got a minute or two at PF in the Sacramento game, barring an injury I could see him getting that every couple of games. But I think the substantial time will be eaten up by Randle and Nance.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Deng got a minute or two at PF in the Sacramento game, barring an injury I could see him getting that every couple of games. But I think the substantial time will be eaten up by Randle and Nance. |
Right, that's what I'm saying. He'll get the nominal 3rd PF spot in the depth chart. And if one of Randle/Nance are injured, move up a spot.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Deng got a minute or two at PF in the Sacramento game, barring an injury I could see him getting that every couple of games. But I think the substantial time will be eaten up by Randle and Nance. |
Right, that's what I'm saying. He'll get the nominal 3rd PF spot in the depth chart. And if one of Randle/Nance are injured, move up a spot. |
I think he will end up getting one to two rotations per game on average at the 4 spot
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| venturalakersfan wrote: |
That kind of thinking is premature |
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| Nick young is the better 6th man (as a shooting guard). Start JC. Lou Williams is not the best SG on the team (he's not even second best). Lakers should consider shopping him for a front court player. |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Hector the Pup wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Toney Douglas and JaKarr Sampson were recently waived and both could bring a bit more athleticism and much-needed perimeter defense, if the Lakers decided to pick either player up. And there may be a few more interesting players cut loose in the next two weeks who could make more of an impact or have more upside than Yi, Brown, or Huertas.
Toney Douglas or the Catalyst? Has Mitch ever picked up a waived player? |
Tarik Black says hi. So does Carlos Boozer. |
I...I have no long-term memory... |
It's ok, I can't blame anyone for pushing the memory of Carlos Boozer on the Lakers back in to the depths of their sub-conscious. |
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| Goldenwest wrote: | | Nick young is the better 6th man (as a shooting guard). Start JC. Lou Williams is not the best SG on the team (he's not even second best). Lakers should consider shopping him for a front court player. |
I think our front court is crowded enough as is. If we trade Lou then I'd look to get a backup PG who can play defense. A guy I'd try and get would be Ricky Rubio. Dunn is clearly their PG of the future and once he is ready to start Rubio might be made available. To make salaries match up Yi or Calderon would need to be thrown in.
After the trade our depth chart would look something like this:
PG-Russell/Rubio/Huertas
SG-JC/Young/Brown
SF-Deng/Ingram
PF-Randle/Nance/Yi
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| Omar Little wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Deng got a minute or two at PF in the Sacramento game, barring an injury I could see him getting that every couple of games. But I think the substantial time will be eaten up by Randle and Nance. |
Right, that's what I'm saying. He'll get the nominal 3rd PF spot in the depth chart. And if one of Randle/Nance are injured, move up a spot. |
I think he will end up getting one to two rotations per game on average at the 4 spot |
Could you give me some numbers? I'm trying to figure this out in my head. How many minutes are you thinking per rotation? The next question is where those minutes come from, but that's a harder question and it can wait. |
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| Mini Mamba wrote: | | Goldenwest wrote: | | Nick young is the better 6th man (as a shooting guard). Start JC. Lou Williams is not the best SG on the team (he's not even second best). Lakers should consider shopping him for a front court player. |
I think our front court is crowded enough as is. If we trade Lou then I'd look to get a backup PG who can play defense. A guy I'd try and get would be Ricky Rubio. Dunn is clearly their PG of the future and once he is ready to start Rubio might be made available. To make salaries match up Yi or Calderon would need to be thrown in.
After the trade our depth chart would look something like this:
PG-Russell/Rubio/Huertas
SG-JC/Young/Brown
SF-Deng/Ingram
PF-Randle/Nance/Yi
C-Mozgov/Black/Zubac |
I'm good with that except Rubio's outside shot is suspect. Maybe try to get another shooter to go along with him. |
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Not sure where else to share this but CBS posted an article about each team's deadliest lineup. I don't want to see this as a starting lineup, but in spot minutes, this sounds like fun. Has Luke run this yet?
| Quote: | D'Angelo Russell
Jordan Clarkson
Brandon Ingram
Luol Deng
Larry Nance
I want Luke Walton to put this group out there and just tell them to run. Deng is obviously best at the 4 at this point in his career, and Nance has the tools to do a Draymond Green impersonation. With Ingram's length, Russell's playmaking and Clarkson's athleticism, this lineup looks like a lot of fun. -- James Herbert |
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| justsomelakerfan wrote: | Not sure where else to share this but CBS posted an article about each team's deadliest lineup. I don't want to see this as a starting lineup, but in spot minutes, this sounds like fun. Has Luke run this yet?
| Quote: | D'Angelo Russell
Jordan Clarkson
Brandon Ingram
Luol Deng
Larry Nance
I want Luke Walton to put this group out there and just tell them to run. Deng is obviously best at the 4 at this point in his career, and Nance has the tools to do a Draymond Green impersonation. With Ingram's length, Russell's playmaking and Clarkson's athleticism, this lineup looks like a lot of fun. -- James Herbert |
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No, not yet. Deng has mostly gotten his minutes at PF alongside Julius at C. I'd prefer to see an all young'ns lineup this season with Randle in for Deng:
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| Mini Mamba wrote: | | Goldenwest wrote: | | Nick young is the better 6th man (as a shooting guard). Start JC. Lou Williams is not the best SG on the team (he's not even second best). Lakers should consider shopping him for a front court player. |
I think our front court is crowded enough as is. If we trade Lou then I'd look to get a backup PG who can play defense. A guy I'd try and get would be Ricky Rubio. Dunn is clearly their PG of the future and once he is ready to start Rubio might be made available. To make salaries match up Yi or Calderon would need to be thrown in.
After the trade our depth chart would look something like this:
PG-Russell/Rubio/Huertas
SG-JC/Young/Brown
SF-Deng/Ingram
PF-Randle/Nance/Yi
C-Mozgov/Black/Zubac |
Adding Rubio for Lou and change would be highway robbery. The Wolves will probably never win a Rubio trade given how misunderstood the Spaniard's value is, but I'd be shocked if they would send him to the Lakers for anything less than Randle. |
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| justsomelakerfan wrote: | Not sure where else to share this but CBS posted an article about each team's deadliest lineup. I don't want to see this as a starting lineup, but in spot minutes, this sounds like fun. Has Luke run this yet?
| Quote: | D'Angelo Russell
Jordan Clarkson
Brandon Ingram
Luol Deng
Larry Nance
I want Luke Walton to put this group out there and just tell them to run. Deng is obviously best at the 4 at this point in his career, and Nance has the tools to do a Draymond Green impersonation. With Ingram's length, Russell's playmaking and Clarkson's athleticism, this lineup looks like a lot of fun. -- James Herbert |
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This line up gets killed imo. The rebounding will be bad. The defense in the paint will be bad and offensively they aren't good enough to make up for it. It may work well against a bench unit but starters will dismantle this line up on most nights. |
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