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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 8:48 pm Post subject:
lakerfan2012 wrote:
I actually agree. Really dislike his style of play. He just plays dumb most of the time and honestly, I know it's early, but I don't see him changing that much in the future. He rebounds well but that's about it. Can't shoot, makes bone-headed decisions, ball stopper, average or below average defender, tries to handle the ball too much, etc...
He really has to change a ton of things if he wants to be a real impact player. Unfortunately, I just see him as too stubborn and prideful to do that.
You don't even know him, get that bull crap out of here. What has he done to show you he was too prideful? Change his game as the head coach has ashed so far? Incorporate starting the offense as Luje has asked him to? Let's hear it. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
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Im not against Randle as a preson, but he is getting $$$ from Lakers, my Lakers! Our Lakers! I bet money on them, i cheer for them, i apologize for them, I argue for them, I spent ridiculous money on tickets so see these games in person, even summer games! I pay freakin cable to see their games at home even if I dont watch any other channel! I jst want wins! So tired of losing!!!
Not here to attack anyone personally! Just giving my opinion on Randle!
Btw good game by Ingram, hopefully learns from this game, he needs to be aggressive!
Part of me wants to be at least a little sympathetic about where you're coming from, but honestly, you're showing why it's not exactly the wisest thing to make a sports team the center of your life!!!! Support the team, watch the games, and enjoy it!!!! That's great! But it sounds like you need some more balance! Let the Lakers be a part of your life, but not your whole life!!!!!!!
Btw, you could've easily posted this in the Randle thread!!!!! Making this thread really wasn't necessary!!!!!!! _________________ “Christ did not die to forgive sinners who go on treasuring anything above seeing and savoring God. And people who would be happy in heaven if Christ were not there, will not be there."
- John Piper
This is my cue to defend him, but after today's performance, I don't really want to.
FWIW, I thought his on ball defense on the switches were quite good. Not really anything new, but still.
How I felt. His jumper seems like it's regressed from his rookie season.
Yeah, I remember thinking it looked good in the Team USA select team footage, but maybe it was poor angle. Or maybe it's the speed of the game. It seems like whenever he makes a jumper, it's purely luck.
Not gonna write him off yet, though. The Warriors are going to make a lot of players look bad.
Im not against Randle as a preson, but he is getting $$$ from Lakers, my Lakers! Our Lakers! I bet money on them, i cheer for them, i apologize for them, I argue for them, I spent ridiculous money on tickets so see these games in person, even summer games! I pay freakin cable to see their games at home even if I dont watch any other channel! I jst want wins! So tired of losing!!!
Not here to attack anyone personally! Just giving my opinion on Randle!
Btw good game by Ingram, hopefully learns from this game, he needs to be aggressive!
Part of me wants to be at least a little sympathetic about where you're coming from, but honestly, you're showing why it's not exactly the wisest thing to make a sports team the center of your life!!!! Support the team, watch the games, and enjoy it!!!! That's great! But it sounds like you need some more balance! Let the Lakers be a part of your life, but not your whole life!!!!!!!
Btw, you could've easily posted this in the Randle thread!!!!! Making this thread really wasn't necessary!!!!!!!
Lakers is not center of my life, LOL, i see how my post sounded, but dont get me wrong... I got kids, their my life! I have a career, i have a billion other things, and The Lakers are just Lakers man! But they bring us together! I miss the three peat and repeat era...
The same limitations Randle had on draft night, he still has. He's too short for the post. He's too small to defend bigs. And he's not a perimeter player either.
He's just a guy that does not have a place in the league on a good team. I think at his BEST, he could maybe be an energy guy off the bench. That's it.
The dude just doesn't check off enough boxes. The limitations he has, will always be there. And he's not skilled enough to overcome them. Wasted pick.
The same limitations Randle had on draft night, he still has. He's too short for the post. He's too small to defend bigs. And he's not a perimeter player either.
He's just a guy that does not have a place in the league on a good team. I think at his BEST, he could maybe be an energy guy off the bench. That's it.
The dude just doesn't check off enough boxes. The limitations he has, will always be there. And he's not skilled enough to overcome them. Wasted pick.
Which you can blame Nick Young for having good games at the end of the 13-14 season that dropped us a few spots in the draft.
You have to wonder why on a night when Russell was 5-13 with 7 turnovers, when Clarkson was 3-9, and when his counterpart (Nance) did not outplay him (10 points on 5-11, 3 rebounds, 2 steals) that it suddenly becomes Randle hating night. That's not to say people should be hating on any of those guys, but Randle seems to be taking the brunt of it.
He certainly didn't have a great game (12 points on 6-13 shooting, 5 rebounds, 1 steal in 23 mins), Golden State forced him into some tough shots and possessions, including some wild and ugly plays. That having been said he played decent defense though for the most part, showed a good effort. Yet here is the usual suspects crying a river about him. The rest of the starters other than Nick Young all had similarly bad games, but you don't see the same level of whining amongst fans.
Hell just yesterday people were complaining to just shoot jumpers despite that being against Luke Walton's wishes... but today he came out and shot several in the first quarter. Now there's complaints that he didn't make enough of them. So now suddenly according to the great minds at LG Randle doesn't have the place in the league on a good team, and at best he's an energy guy off the bench. Seriously? Making comparisons to Anthony Bennet for example when Randle doubled up Bennet's best season ever (in three seasons) as a rookie. That's clearly not a statement that should be taken seriously.
You have to wonder why on a night when Russell was 5-13 with 7 turnovers, when Clarkson was 3-9, and when his counterpart (Nance) did not outplay him (10 points on 5-11, 3 rebounds, 2 steals) that it suddenly becomes Randle hating night. That's not to say people should be hating on any of those guys, but Randle seems to be taking the brunt of it.
He certainly didn't have a great game (12 points on 6-13 shooting, 5 rebounds, 1 steal in 23 mins), Golden State forced him into some tough shots and possessions, including some wild and ugly plays. That having been said he played decent defense though for the most part, showed a good effort. Yet here is the usual suspects crying a river about him. The rest of the starters other than Nick Young all had similarly bad games, but you don't see the same level of whining amongst fans.
Hell just yesterday people were complaining to just shoot jumpers despite that being against Luke Walton's wishes... but today he came out and shot several in the first quarter. Now there's complaints that he didn't make enough of them. So now suddenly according to the great minds at LG Randle doesn't have the place in the league on a good team, and at best he's an energy guy off the bench. Seriously? Making comparisons to Anthony Bennet for example when Randle doubled up Bennet's best season ever (in three seasons) as a rookie. That's clearly not a statement that should be taken seriously.
Putting up empty stats on an 17 win team means nothing. Literally nothing. You could switch Randle with Bennett last year, and give Bennett the minutes that Randle got, and he probably would put up similar numbers.
And in terms of jumpers - um yeah. If Julius Randle cant hit am 18 footer, what else can he do? He's terrible on defense. He can't post up on offense. He's not an outside shooter to spread the floor. What can he do?
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:35 pm Post subject:
Plaza234 wrote:
The same limitations Randle had on draft night, he still has. He's too short for the post. He's too small to defend bigs. And he's not a perimeter player either.
He's just a guy that does not have a place in the league on a good team. I think at his BEST, he could maybe be an energy guy off the bench. That's it.
The dude just doesn't check off enough boxes. The limitations he has, will always be there. And he's not skilled enough to overcome them. Wasted pick.
You have to wonder why on a night when Russell was 5-13 with 7 turnovers, when Clarkson was 3-9, and when his counterpart (Nance) did not outplay him (10 points on 5-11, 3 rebounds, 2 steals) that it suddenly becomes Randle hating night. That's not to say people should be hating on any of those guys, but Randle seems to be taking the brunt of it.
He certainly didn't have a great game (12 points on 6-13 shooting, 5 rebounds, 1 steal in 23 mins), Golden State forced him into some tough shots and possessions, including some wild and ugly plays. That having been said he played decent defense though for the most part, showed a good effort. Yet here is the usual suspects crying a river about him. The rest of the starters other than Nick Young all had similarly bad games, but you don't see the same level of whining amongst fans.
Hell just yesterday people were complaining to just shoot jumpers despite that being against Luke Walton's wishes... but today he came out and shot several in the first quarter. Now there's complaints that he didn't make enough of them. So now suddenly according to the great minds at LG Randle doesn't have the place in the league on a good team, and at best he's an energy guy off the bench. Seriously? Making comparisons to Anthony Bennet for example when Randle doubled up Bennet's best season ever (in three seasons) as a rookie. That's clearly not a statement that should be taken seriously.
Putting up empty stats on an 17 win team means nothing. Literally nothing. You could switch Randle with Bennett last year, and give Bennett the minutes that Randle got, and he probably would put up similar numbers.
And in terms of jumpers - um yeah. If Julius Randle cant hit am 18 footer, what else can he do? He's terrible on defense. He can't post up on offense. He's not an outside shooter to spread the floor. What can he do?
I'm all for hyperbole being used rhetorically to emphasize a point, but I have a feeling you actually believe this, which automatically invalidates your take.
The same limitations Randle had on draft night, he still has. He's too short for the post. He's too small to defend bigs. And he's not a perimeter player either.
He's just a guy that does not have a place in the league on a good team. I think at his BEST, he could maybe be an energy guy off the bench. That's it.
The dude just doesn't check off enough boxes. The limitations he has, will always be there. And he's not skilled enough to overcome them. Wasted pick.
Should have taken Lavine
The problem is back then no one thought Lavine would be anything either because 11 teams missed on him, and neither Russell or Clarkson would here if Lavine was drafted.
Putting up empty stats on an 17 win team means nothing. Literally nothing. You could switch Randle with Bennett last year, and give Bennett the minutes that Randle got, and he probably would put up similar numbers.
Bennett's best season was on a 16 win Wolves team. The Cavs won 33 games in his rookie season. But hey maybe it was just that he didn't get enough opportunities, playing less minutes than Randle.
Now we know guys with low numbers of minutes have an advantage in PER36 comparisons because they can expend more energy per minute in shorter minutes. But even without taking that into account, that's a no contest. Now bear in mind that was Randle's rookie year vs. the best of three seasons for Bennett (his second season). Randle shot a higher percentage, scored more, was a good rebounder as opposed to a poor one, had more assists and similar defensive numbers. It's a poor comparison, period.
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If Julius Randle cant hit am 18 footer, what else can he do? He's terrible on defense. He can't post up on offense. He's not an outside shooter to spread the floor. What can he do?
First and foremost, it isn't as though Nance is killing it with his outside efficiency so far this preseason either, though we know both guys worked hard on it this Summer. Yet it's generally people who are pumping up Nance who are hyper-critical of Randle. Improving your jump shooting is a process that happens over years, not months. His defense is also improved. You repeated the outside shot thing twice to make it look like a larger list. He's also shown the ability to score in the post this preseason, though he didn't look good there tonight. But of course you left out his real strengths (penetration, passing, rebounding) and then said, "what can he do?"
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The same limitations Randle had on draft night, he still has. He's too short for the post. He's too small to defend bigs. And he's not a perimeter player either.
He's just a guy that does not have a place in the league on a good team. I think at his BEST, he could maybe be an energy guy off the bench. That's it.
The dude just doesn't check off enough boxes. The limitations he has, will always be there. And he's not skilled enough to overcome them. Wasted pick.
Should have taken Lavine
The problem is back then no one thought Lavine would be anything either because 11 teams missed on him, and neither Russell or Clarkson would here if Lavine was drafted.
That's because his college coach is an idiot and didn't know how to use him.
You know what I find pretty funny and sad. You get a bunch of forum people whining about JR and his abilities. Then you get things like this from Green.
And then the whole idea of trying to say you can replace Bennett with Randle, that is just an agenda at that point.
Is he star, no. But I would rather give him a year or two under Walton and his coaching before proclaiming anything. He has steadily improved every year, its just really sad how down people are on him (cool to have constructive criticism but it goes beyond that at times with JR.)
Randle has a long way to go, but more importantly... I can totally see this thread being so controversial and polarizing that it completely takes over the Official Julius Randle thread at some point in the near future.
But yeah. I like Randle, but he's far from good just yet.
I wanted us to get Zach Lavine on draft night...our lineup would have been so sick with Dlo+Lavine and Clarkson off the bench. I wonder what Randle's trade value is now
I really want to stand up for Randle here too but he just didn't have another great game. He's still learning a new offense and I'm giving him this year though. In my eyes he's a second-year player. Hell, Vonleh's starting to play a lot better finally in his third season. Not every player is on the same timeline.
That being said, Luke would probably be able to fix his lineup in the short-term by starting Deng or Nance at 4 for some extra wins or closer games. But that's not Luke's philosophy this year, and that's giving up on Randle's potential too early, I think. Keep starting Randle and let's see what happens.
I'm slightly afraid his trade value dips if he doesn't pick it up. But if you don't start Randle, it will definitely lower. Another factor in play here. Not saying I want to trade him, but it's something to keep in mind.
greenfrog wrote:
One problem seems to be that he and Russell have zero chemistry together.
Real problem that could be fixable as a season progresses and hopefully they click. But this is noticeable. Darius Soriano's tweet about them having negative body language - not as a reflection of their personal relationship, but on-court chemistry - kind of backs this up. I think this is fixable with more time playing with each other.
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