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 Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 8:16 am Post subject: Anonymous Scout's Take on Lakers (CNNSI) |
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| Quote: | "They’ll be the worst team in the West and bottom-three overall with Brooklyn and Philadelphia. …
The best-case scenario for them is that Russell becomes a high-level starter, Ingram is in the Rookie of the Year mix, and they get a clear sense for how Randle fits into their long-term plans. All of those things could happen and they still might not win 25 games. …
Keeping their pick again would be huge for turning this around into a playoff team again. …
From a style perspective, the Lakers should change more than any other team with Kobe retiring and Walton taking over for Scott. They’ll play fast, move the ball, take more threes, less isolation plays and a lot more opportunity for their young prospects. …
Russell is their most important player. The style shift will work if he makes it work and it will fail if he’s not quite ready. I think he’s ready for a breakout. He is an electric player when he’s playing well: he can score, shoot and set others up. He has the talent and confidence to be an All-Star, but that’s a long way off. He’s like a redshirt freshman because Bryant dominated everything. …
Clarkson is only a starter if you’re a lottery team. He’s a one-trick pony scorer. He has blinders on and isn’t much of a passer. He’ll take bad shots. Playing him and Russell together defensively is a mess. …
I’m not a Randle fan so I would just start Ingram and Deng together and see what happens. Throw Ingram into the fire. He’s the No. 2 pick. Why baby him? …
The Kevin Durant comparisons are unfair to Ingram and I would have taken both Ben Simmons and Kris Dunn over Ingram. He will float a lot this year, his lack of strength will hurt him, and he needs to tighten up his handle. …
Maybe Walton sees Randle as a Draymond Green type. He can dribble but can he make the reads? Randle definitely plays hard, which is a skill, but otherwise there’s a lot of work to do. He can’t really shoot it and he’s not the best finisher. He’s easy to guard. … Randle looks like a sixth man to me. …
I love Deng. He’s really good. They should make Deng a stretch four role and clear things out for Ingram. Down the road, maybe they can trade him to a playoff team or shift him into a reserve role. He might only spend half of his contract with them. …
Mozgov wasn’t the best center out there but beggars can’t be choosers. I think the Lakers saw him as attainable and an upgrade over Hibbert so they rushed to pay him. They had a huge hole. Going from Kareem and Shaq to Mozgov is the type of thing that will make Lakers fans roll their eyes. … Even with Mozgov and Deng, they’ll be the worst defensive team in the league."
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| That's a brutal analysis but the win total prediction is right around Vegas'. |
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what's new? more of the same laker bashing from the media.
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I've never liked anonymous scouts.
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| Troublesome626 wrote: | | what's new? more of the same laker bashing from the media. |
It's not bashing if it's just an analysis of our team. He's spot on with a lot of comments, and misguided on some. I didn't take this as a bash article.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 8:23 am Post subject: Re: Anonymous Scout's Take on Lakers (CNNSI) |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | "They’ll be the worst team in the West and bottom-three overall with Brooklyn and Philadelphia. … The best-case scenario for them is that Russell becomes a high-level starter, Ingram is in the Rookie of the Year mix, and they get a clear sense for how Randle fits into their long-term plans. All of those things could happen and they still might not win 25 games. … Keeping their pick again would be huge for turning this around into a playoff team again. … From a style perspective, the Lakers should change more than any other team with Kobe retiring and Walton taking over for Scott. They’ll play fast, move the ball, take more threes, less isolation plays and a lot more opportunity for their young prospects. … Russell is their most important player. The style shift will work if he makes it work and it will fail if he’s not quite ready. I think he’s ready for a breakout. He is an electric player when he’s playing well: he can score, shoot and set others up. He has the talent and confidence to be an All-Star, but that’s a long way off. He’s like a redshirt freshman because Bryant dominated everything. … Clarkson is only a starter if you’re a lottery team. He’s a one-trick pony scorer. He has blinders on and isn’t much of a passer. He’ll take bad shots. Playing him and Russell together defensively is a mess. … I’m not a Randle fan so I would just start Ingram and Deng together and see what happens. Throw Ingram into the fire. He’s the No. 2 pick. Why baby him? … The Kevin Durant comparisons are unfair to Ingram and I would have taken both Ben Simmons and Kris Dunn over Ingram. He will float a lot this year, his lack of strength will hurt him, and he needs to tighten up his handle. … Maybe Walton sees Randle as a Draymond Green type. He can dribble but can he make the reads? Randle definitely plays hard, which is a skill, but otherwise there’s a lot of work to do. He can’t really shoot it and he’s not the best finisher. He’s easy to guard. … Randle looks like a sixth man to me. … I love Deng. He’s really good. They should make Deng a stretch four role and clear things out for Ingram. Down the road, maybe they can trade him to a playoff team or shift him into a reserve role. He might only spend half of his contract with them. … Mozgov wasn’t the best center out there but beggars can’t be choosers. I think the Lakers saw him as attainable and an upgrade over Hibbert so they rushed to pay him. They had a huge hole. Going from Kareem and Shaq to Mozgov is the type of thing that will make Lakers fans roll their eyes. … Even with Mozgov and Deng, they’ll be the worst defensive team in the league."
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This scouts "opinion" doesnt mean much to me after reading the bold. |
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| I'm not taking Dunn (who I think is a nice player) over Ingram...Lakers definitely got it right in the draft |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 8:26 am Post subject: Re: Anonymous Scout's Take on Lakers (CNNSI) |
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| Lucky_Shot wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | "They’ll be the worst team in the West and bottom-three overall with Brooklyn and Philadelphia. … The best-case scenario for them is that Russell becomes a high-level starter, Ingram is in the Rookie of the Year mix, and they get a clear sense for how Randle fits into their long-term plans. All of those things could happen and they still might not win 25 games. … Keeping their pick again would be huge for turning this around into a playoff team again. … From a style perspective, the Lakers should change more than any other team with Kobe retiring and Walton taking over for Scott. They’ll play fast, move the ball, take more threes, less isolation plays and a lot more opportunity for their young prospects. … Russell is their most important player. The style shift will work if he makes it work and it will fail if he’s not quite ready. I think he’s ready for a breakout. He is an electric player when he’s playing well: he can score, shoot and set others up. He has the talent and confidence to be an All-Star, but that’s a long way off. He’s like a redshirt freshman because Bryant dominated everything. … Clarkson is only a starter if you’re a lottery team. He’s a one-trick pony scorer. He has blinders on and isn’t much of a passer. He’ll take bad shots. Playing him and Russell together defensively is a mess. … I’m not a Randle fan so I would just start Ingram and Deng together and see what happens. Throw Ingram into the fire. He’s the No. 2 pick. Why baby him? … The Kevin Durant comparisons are unfair to Ingram and I would have taken both Ben Simmons and Kris Dunn over Ingram. He will float a lot this year, his lack of strength will hurt him, and he needs to tighten up his handle. … Maybe Walton sees Randle as a Draymond Green type. He can dribble but can he make the reads? Randle definitely plays hard, which is a skill, but otherwise there’s a lot of work to do. He can’t really shoot it and he’s not the best finisher. He’s easy to guard. … Randle looks like a sixth man to me. … I love Deng. He’s really good. They should make Deng a stretch four role and clear things out for Ingram. Down the road, maybe they can trade him to a playoff team or shift him into a reserve role. He might only spend half of his contract with them. … Mozgov wasn’t the best center out there but beggars can’t be choosers. I think the Lakers saw him as attainable and an upgrade over Hibbert so they rushed to pay him. They had a huge hole. Going from Kareem and Shaq to Mozgov is the type of thing that will make Lakers fans roll their eyes. … Even with Mozgov and Deng, they’ll be the worst defensive team in the league."
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This scouts "opinion" doesnt mean much to me after reading the bold. |
The Ingram part is way off.
But the JC as 6th man, well, Luke's already trying it. Makes sense if we start Swaggy or Ingram at SG this year.
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| I agree with everything they said, except taking Dunn over Ingram. That's an incredibly shortsighted analysis of the two players. |
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| Purp 32 wrote: | | I agree with everything they said, except taking Dunn over Ingram. That's an incredibly shortsighted analysis of the two players. |
Scouts fall for the typical "ready to play body" crap all the time.
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Remaining anonymous to avoid ridicule I see.
And Kris Dunn (or Simmons if we're taking Luke's choice into account) over Ingram? Let's hope this scout doesn't have a say in any of his team's drafting decisions. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 8:30 am Post subject: Re: Anonymous Scout's Take on Lakers (CNNSI) |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Lucky_Shot wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | "They’ll be the worst team in the West and bottom-three overall with Brooklyn and Philadelphia. … The best-case scenario for them is that Russell becomes a high-level starter, Ingram is in the Rookie of the Year mix, and they get a clear sense for how Randle fits into their long-term plans. All of those things could happen and they still might not win 25 games. … Keeping their pick again would be huge for turning this around into a playoff team again. … From a style perspective, the Lakers should change more than any other team with Kobe retiring and Walton taking over for Scott. They’ll play fast, move the ball, take more threes, less isolation plays and a lot more opportunity for their young prospects. … Russell is their most important player. The style shift will work if he makes it work and it will fail if he’s not quite ready. I think he’s ready for a breakout. He is an electric player when he’s playing well: he can score, shoot and set others up. He has the talent and confidence to be an All-Star, but that’s a long way off. He’s like a redshirt freshman because Bryant dominated everything. … Clarkson is only a starter if you’re a lottery team. He’s a one-trick pony scorer. He has blinders on and isn’t much of a passer. He’ll take bad shots. Playing him and Russell together defensively is a mess. … I’m not a Randle fan so I would just start Ingram and Deng together and see what happens. Throw Ingram into the fire. He’s the No. 2 pick. Why baby him? … The Kevin Durant comparisons are unfair to Ingram and I would have taken both Ben Simmons and Kris Dunn over Ingram. He will float a lot this year, his lack of strength will hurt him, and he needs to tighten up his handle. … Maybe Walton sees Randle as a Draymond Green type. He can dribble but can he make the reads? Randle definitely plays hard, which is a skill, but otherwise there’s a lot of work to do. He can’t really shoot it and he’s not the best finisher. He’s easy to guard. … Randle looks like a sixth man to me. … I love Deng. He’s really good. They should make Deng a stretch four role and clear things out for Ingram. Down the road, maybe they can trade him to a playoff team or shift him into a reserve role. He might only spend half of his contract with them. … Mozgov wasn’t the best center out there but beggars can’t be choosers. I think the Lakers saw him as attainable and an upgrade over Hibbert so they rushed to pay him. They had a huge hole. Going from Kareem and Shaq to Mozgov is the type of thing that will make Lakers fans roll their eyes. … Even with Mozgov and Deng, they’ll be the worst defensive team in the league."
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This scouts "opinion" doesnt mean much to me after reading the bold. |
The Ingram part is way off.
But the JC as 6th man, well, Luke's already trying it. Makes sense if we start Swaggy or Ingram at SG this year. |
JC as a 6th works but but JC is clearly starting material. The skill set he has at 24 is impressive and it make me think this scout doesnt know what he's talking about. |
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| Its not an unfair analysis of this team... Its more likely we are bad again then getting any closer to the playoffs... The West got better. |
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I thought he was a little off on JC and taking Dunn over Ingram but otherwise it seemed pretty accurate.
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| Purp 32 wrote: | | I agree with everything they said, except taking Dunn over Ingram. That's an incredibly shortsighted analysis of the two players. |
Yeah, same here. I thought he was spot on w/most of what he said though. |
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It's hard to predict young teams... it really is. You're projecting the unprojectable really. They can completely tank or they can turn into stars. So I think the range of possible win total for the Lakes is very very wide. I could see us win anywhere between 20 and 35 games.. and I can justify all those scenarios.
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the truth hurts, huh? 
We all knew this going in. I still think either Clarkson or Lou has to go, they are both 6th men. With the emergence of Nick, that allows Ingram to move to one of the guard slots for a period of time, taking minutes from Clarkson/Lou as well.
Julius should be traded while his value is still high. I like the guy but... but... a lot of things... he's not the next Draymond, that much is obvious...
People's comments about bringing in a real PG to pair with DLo are valid, DLo is GREAT off the ball and he can still make passes from that slot, obviously and he's big and long enough to guard that slot.
We're watching a Rubix cube being put together... lot of changes to come... |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 8:35 am Post subject: Re: Anonymous Scout's Take on Lakers (CNNSI) |
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| Lucky_Shot wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | "They’ll be the worst team in the West and bottom-three overall with Brooklyn and Philadelphia. … The best-case scenario for them is that Russell becomes a high-level starter, Ingram is in the Rookie of the Year mix, and they get a clear sense for how Randle fits into their long-term plans. All of those things could happen and they still might not win 25 games. … Keeping their pick again would be huge for turning this around into a playoff team again. … From a style perspective, the Lakers should change more than any other team with Kobe retiring and Walton taking over for Scott. They’ll play fast, move the ball, take more threes, less isolation plays and a lot more opportunity for their young prospects. … Russell is their most important player. The style shift will work if he makes it work and it will fail if he’s not quite ready. I think he’s ready for a breakout. He is an electric player when he’s playing well: he can score, shoot and set others up. He has the talent and confidence to be an All-Star, but that’s a long way off. He’s like a redshirt freshman because Bryant dominated everything. … Clarkson is only a starter if you’re a lottery team. He’s a one-trick pony scorer. He has blinders on and isn’t much of a passer. He’ll take bad shots. Playing him and Russell together defensively is a mess. … I’m not a Randle fan so I would just start Ingram and Deng together and see what happens. Throw Ingram into the fire. He’s the No. 2 pick. Why baby him? … The Kevin Durant comparisons are unfair to Ingram and I would have taken both Ben Simmons and Kris Dunn over Ingram. He will float a lot this year, his lack of strength will hurt him, and he needs to tighten up his handle. … Maybe Walton sees Randle as a Draymond Green type. He can dribble but can he make the reads? Randle definitely plays hard, which is a skill, but otherwise there’s a lot of work to do. He can’t really shoot it and he’s not the best finisher. He’s easy to guard. … Randle looks like a sixth man to me. … I love Deng. He’s really good. They should make Deng a stretch four role and clear things out for Ingram. Down the road, maybe they can trade him to a playoff team or shift him into a reserve role. He might only spend half of his contract with them. … Mozgov wasn’t the best center out there but beggars can’t be choosers. I think the Lakers saw him as attainable and an upgrade over Hibbert so they rushed to pay him. They had a huge hole. Going from Kareem and Shaq to Mozgov is the type of thing that will make Lakers fans roll their eyes. … Even with Mozgov and Deng, they’ll be the worst defensive team in the league."
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This scouts "opinion" doesnt mean much to me after reading the bold. |
I agree. I kinda skipped whatever else was there after reading that. |
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Randle playing hard is another comedic nugget in that "analysis".
However, I'd say 75% of it was accurate, which is still bad for someone getting paid to do this. |
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I agree with almost everything he said, but I really hope we're not the worst defensive team in the league again. 
After getting rid of Kobe and adding younger vets like Mozgov and Deng, I hope we at least move up a few spots defensively. Please?  |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 8:37 am Post subject: Re: Anonymous Scout's Take on Lakers (CNNSI) |
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| Lucky_Shot wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Lucky_Shot wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | "They’ll be the worst team in the West and bottom-three overall with Brooklyn and Philadelphia. … The best-case scenario for them is that Russell becomes a high-level starter, Ingram is in the Rookie of the Year mix, and they get a clear sense for how Randle fits into their long-term plans. All of those things could happen and they still might not win 25 games. … Keeping their pick again would be huge for turning this around into a playoff team again. … From a style perspective, the Lakers should change more than any other team with Kobe retiring and Walton taking over for Scott. They’ll play fast, move the ball, take more threes, less isolation plays and a lot more opportunity for their young prospects. … Russell is their most important player. The style shift will work if he makes it work and it will fail if he’s not quite ready. I think he’s ready for a breakout. He is an electric player when he’s playing well: he can score, shoot and set others up. He has the talent and confidence to be an All-Star, but that’s a long way off. He’s like a redshirt freshman because Bryant dominated everything. … Clarkson is only a starter if you’re a lottery team. He’s a one-trick pony scorer. He has blinders on and isn’t much of a passer. He’ll take bad shots. Playing him and Russell together defensively is a mess. … I’m not a Randle fan so I would just start Ingram and Deng together and see what happens. Throw Ingram into the fire. He’s the No. 2 pick. Why baby him? … The Kevin Durant comparisons are unfair to Ingram and I would have taken both Ben Simmons and Kris Dunn over Ingram. He will float a lot this year, his lack of strength will hurt him, and he needs to tighten up his handle. … Maybe Walton sees Randle as a Draymond Green type. He can dribble but can he make the reads? Randle definitely plays hard, which is a skill, but otherwise there’s a lot of work to do. He can’t really shoot it and he’s not the best finisher. He’s easy to guard. … Randle looks like a sixth man to me. … I love Deng. He’s really good. They should make Deng a stretch four role and clear things out for Ingram. Down the road, maybe they can trade him to a playoff team or shift him into a reserve role. He might only spend half of his contract with them. … Mozgov wasn’t the best center out there but beggars can’t be choosers. I think the Lakers saw him as attainable and an upgrade over Hibbert so they rushed to pay him. They had a huge hole. Going from Kareem and Shaq to Mozgov is the type of thing that will make Lakers fans roll their eyes. … Even with Mozgov and Deng, they’ll be the worst defensive team in the league."
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http://www.si.com/nba/2016/10/20/nba-scouts-season-preview-eastern-conference |
This scouts "opinion" doesnt mean much to me after reading the bold. |
The Ingram part is way off.
But the JC as 6th man, well, Luke's already trying it. Makes sense if we start Swaggy or Ingram at SG this year. |
JC as a 6th works but but JC is clearly starting material. The skill set he has at 24 is impressive and it make me think this scout doesnt know what he's talking about. |
Scout said he's starting material on a lottery team, which we will likely be. That's true.
But on a playoff team, I think he's right. 6th man is a better role assuming we have better players to push him out of the starting spot.
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Pretty spot on. Only thing I totally disagree with is the Dunn over Ingram take and I still have hope for Randle. I was expecting Dunn to be a lot more NBA ready with his age and athletic ability but he has been really struggling.
One of the main things I took out of this is keeping our top 3 pick again will be vital as I have been saying.
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We are projected to win likely 25-28 wins. It's ok. We're a rebuilding team. That's what it looks like.
It won't be this way forever.
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| Disagree with the Randle take and Dunn over Ingram take. Feel like in general a lot of people are overreacting about Randle |
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