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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:33 pm    Post subject:

Offense (besides Seager) and Forsythe should be ashamed
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:38 pm    Post subject:

You have to take Hill out here. There's no chance that he would be allowed to complete 2 more innings, which is what it would take for him to get credited for a no-hitter now. If we had scored, sure, you let him go for it with a manageable pitch count still. But TWO more innings? You might as well just get him out now and protect him. There's no way they would allow him to pitch 11 innings.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:38 pm    Post subject:

Such a damn frustrating game. Ugh.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:39 pm    Post subject:

Roberts puts him back out there. I'm not sure I understand why. If he won't pitch 11, what's the point of this? He's already at 95 pitches.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:39 pm    Post subject:

MLB Network analysts can't believe Hill is still in.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:40 pm    Post subject:

Bad call leaving him out.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:42 pm    Post subject:

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Bad call leaving him out.


Yep. Can't say we didn't call it.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:43 pm    Post subject:

Absolutely pathetic on our hitters
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:43 pm    Post subject:

Tough way to go. Great game by Hill
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:44 pm    Post subject:

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Bad call leaving him out.


Yep. Can't say we didn't call it.


What a frustrating game. So many men left on base. Bad defense to lose the perfect and the game. Oh well.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:45 pm    Post subject:

Everyone aside from Seager let Hill down big time here.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:17 pm    Post subject:

We got 8 hits with no runs, and a dumb error. Shame on them - He deserved the NH.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:19 pm    Post subject:

We still had, I think, 12 baserunners. Just couldn't get that big hit, which we've done basically for 2 and a half months straight. Really unfortunate for Hill. Like Kershaw, he was basically one misplay away from a perfect game, had we gotten that 1 big hit.

We'll probably score in the top of the 1st tomorrow.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:29 pm    Post subject:

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Dodgers just traded JDL for Logan Forsythe (Tampa). Forsythe has a high on base percentage, hit 20 homers last year, and can play multiple positions. He'll be next year's starting second baseman. Only problem I see is that he's a free agent after the season. So JDL for a possible 1 year rental seems kinda steep.

Oh, and Forsythe is an ex-Ray now, so I fully expect rwongega to flip out


I would expect most to. One of our top pitching prospects for a 2B who has only had 2 decent seasons. Desperation caused by position mismanagement and hard-ons for former players is what's driving this moronic FO in their decision-making. Clearly, they're hoping Forsythe can be a poor man's Ben Zobrist, but this guy has an equal chance at becoming the next Dustin Ackley. The continued waste of Kershaw's prime years continues.


I think you're incorrect. Forsythe has gotten the PT the last 2 years and he's a legit player. He's 6th in OPS+ and 6th in WAR among all second baseman over the past 2 seasons. Hard-nosed, too, like Utley. But not approaching 40. Absolutely mashes lefties, which is by far our biggest weakness. Yes, I like JDL, but he's going to be 25 this season. Dodger management likes not only Urias (obviously), but also Alvarez and Buehler more. So they think they are trading their 4th-best young pitcher in the organization. You have to give up something to get something. I get that you hate this FO, and I generally haven't liked most of their moves, but I like this one.


Hardly. Forsythe is at best an average 2B. He still has a very low and very dangerous floor. You're taking him out of the batting happy AL East (where an alarming number of his quality stats come out of). This is giving up to much seeing as it's our #2 prospect. They think they are trading their 4th-best young pitcher. They also think Brandon McCarthy was worth 4 years at $48 mil. Like I stated, there's a chance he could continue to do ok, but there's an equally likely chance he could bust. I would hope we can re-sign Utley for a platoon/bench role. I also hope if we can this FO, we don't wait until we literally turn into Tampa West/Oakland South before then.


Yep. Should've kept De Leon.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:31 pm    Post subject:

I'm ok with leaving him out there. The guy is 37 and Roberts pulled him from a no hitter before because of possible blister issues. If you don't do it now, when? The team is 10 games ahead of the everyone. I feel Roberts felt he owed him the chance. It is after all still a game. If they were fighting for a playoff spot yeah I get it. But he's no good anyhow just another ex A.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:17 pm    Post subject:

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Yep. Should've kept De Leon


That's the same De Leon that has pitched 2 2/3 innings with the Rays and is sporting a nifty ERA of 10.13? Am I right? Granted he still somehow got the win. Ok.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:20 pm    Post subject:

rwongega wrote:
rwongega wrote:
ChickenStu wrote:
rwongega wrote:
dinlabreak wrote:
Dodgers just traded JDL for Logan Forsythe (Tampa). Forsythe has a high on base percentage, hit 20 homers last year, and can play multiple positions. He'll be next year's starting second baseman. Only problem I see is that he's a free agent after the season. So JDL for a possible 1 year rental seems kinda steep.

Oh, and Forsythe is an ex-Ray now, so I fully expect rwongega to flip out


I would expect most to. One of our top pitching prospects for a 2B who has only had 2 decent seasons. Desperation caused by position mismanagement and hard-ons for former players is what's driving this moronic FO in their decision-making. Clearly, they're hoping Forsythe can be a poor man's Ben Zobrist, but this guy has an equal chance at becoming the next Dustin Ackley. The continued waste of Kershaw's prime years continues.


I think you're incorrect. Forsythe has gotten the PT the last 2 years and he's a legit player. He's 6th in OPS+ and 6th in WAR among all second baseman over the past 2 seasons. Hard-nosed, too, like Utley. But not approaching 40. Absolutely mashes lefties, which is by far our biggest weakness. Yes, I like JDL, but he's going to be 25 this season. Dodger management likes not only Urias (obviously), but also Alvarez and Buehler more. So they think they are trading their 4th-best young pitcher in the organization. You have to give up something to get something. I get that you hate this FO, and I generally haven't liked most of their moves, but I like this one.


Hardly. Forsythe is at best an average 2B. He still has a very low and very dangerous floor. You're taking him out of the batting happy AL East (where an alarming number of his quality stats come out of). This is giving up to much seeing as it's our #2 prospect. They think they are trading their 4th-best young pitcher. They also think Brandon McCarthy was worth 4 years at $48 mil. Like I stated, there's a chance he could continue to do ok, but there's an equally likely chance he could bust. I would hope we can re-sign Utley for a platoon/bench role. I also hope if we can this FO, we don't wait until we literally turn into Tampa West/Oakland South before then.


Yep. Should've kept De Leon.


Last I heard he was having trouble throwing higher than like mid 80s or so in the minors.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:46 pm    Post subject:

This turned out to be an inopportune time to sit Turner. I have a feeling our chances would've been a little bit better offensively, and maybe Turner makes that play at third in the 9th. But it is what it is. Still have an opportunity to win the series tomorrow.
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Yep. Should've kept De Leon


That's the same De Leon that has pitched 2 2/3 innings with the Rays and is sporting a nifty ERA of 10.13? Am I right? Granted he still somehow got the win. Ok.


One game of 2.2 innings. Not really a great sample size. He's done much better in the minors.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:55 pm    Post subject:

Thats two potential no hitters the Dodgers screwed up for Rich Hill.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:07 pm    Post subject:

rwongega wrote:
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Yep. Should've kept De Leon


That's the same De Leon that has pitched 2 2/3 innings with the Rays and is sporting a nifty ERA of 10.13? Am I right? Granted he still somehow got the win. Ok.


One game of 2.2 innings. Not really a great sample size. He's done much better in the minors.


Well I would hope so. But if he can't get time on a depleted Tampa staff I am not sure the Dodgers are out that much value. Looks to me like they sold high.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:12 pm    Post subject:

Glad I missed the game...sounds like it was gut wrenching.
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ChickenStu wrote:
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Bad call leaving him out.


Yep. Can't say we didn't call it.


I can understand the rationale behind the move. Yesterday's game was a bullpen fest because Stewart couldn't last more than a couple innings. From what I heard, they were not gonna play Jansen because he already pitched the night before and have been in the last few games so they wanted to give him a rest. They probably would've gone to him if they got a lead in the next frame.

In the tenth, Hill was doing well with a low pitch count. Plus, the alternative was Ross Stripling, who also pitched the night before so who knows how fresh he would've been. Unfortunate that they gave Turner the day off because the offense really stunk it up. Really sucks for Hill to have 2 bids at perfect games this year and last and get nothing out of them. You just had that feeling once Forsythe bobbled that ball that the tide was gonna turn for the Pirates. Just one of those games.

I think this game may have Hill leapfrog over Wood for that 3 rotation spot in the playoffs. Wood's velocity has been trending down and it's most likely he's more fatigued than he's letting on. Hopefully after his DL stint he'll be refreshed enough to get back to first half form. It's a battle right now for the playoff rotation among the starters.
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rwongega wrote:
rwongega wrote:
ChickenStu wrote:
rwongega wrote:
dinlabreak wrote:
Dodgers just traded JDL for Logan Forsythe (Tampa). Forsythe has a high on base percentage, hit 20 homers last year, and can play multiple positions. He'll be next year's starting second baseman. Only problem I see is that he's a free agent after the season. So JDL for a possible 1 year rental seems kinda steep.

Oh, and Forsythe is an ex-Ray now, so I fully expect rwongega to flip out


I would expect most to. One of our top pitching prospects for a 2B who has only had 2 decent seasons. Desperation caused by position mismanagement and hard-ons for former players is what's driving this moronic FO in their decision-making. Clearly, they're hoping Forsythe can be a poor man's Ben Zobrist, but this guy has an equal chance at becoming the next Dustin Ackley. The continued waste of Kershaw's prime years continues.


I think you're incorrect. Forsythe has gotten the PT the last 2 years and he's a legit player. He's 6th in OPS+ and 6th in WAR among all second baseman over the past 2 seasons. Hard-nosed, too, like Utley. But not approaching 40. Absolutely mashes lefties, which is by far our biggest weakness. Yes, I like JDL, but he's going to be 25 this season. Dodger management likes not only Urias (obviously), but also Alvarez and Buehler more. So they think they are trading their 4th-best young pitcher in the organization. You have to give up something to get something. I get that you hate this FO, and I generally haven't liked most of their moves, but I like this one.


Hardly. Forsythe is at best an average 2B. He still has a very low and very dangerous floor. You're taking him out of the batting happy AL East (where an alarming number of his quality stats come out of). This is giving up to much seeing as it's our #2 prospect. They think they are trading their 4th-best young pitcher. They also think Brandon McCarthy was worth 4 years at $48 mil. Like I stated, there's a chance he could continue to do ok, but there's an equally likely chance he could bust. I would hope we can re-sign Utley for a platoon/bench role. I also hope if we can this FO, we don't wait until we literally turn into Tampa West/Oakland South before then.


Yep. Should've kept De Leon.


Other prospects were going to jump over De Leon, so they were probably trying to trade him when his value is highest. As much as Logan has struggled offensively, despite his bad error tonight he's been a rock solid defensive second baseman. Not too sure who would've replaced him if he weren't here. Unfortunately, TB had more leverage since the Dodgers really needed a solid second baseman. Ironically, they could have been better off with just going with Chris Taylor.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:57 pm    Post subject:

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Forsythe has had a down year with the bat compared to the previous two seasons, although at least he's getting on base at such a solid clip that at least he's still contributing. And he is a solid defensive second baseman; overall, his 1.3 WAR hasn't killed the team. I thought he'd be better, but his power has basically disappeared in a year where the ball is flying out of the yard.

I do agree with those that said we basically sold high on De Leon. He was very old for a top prospect; the guy is already 25 years old and he's basically still not established himself in the big leagues. He also had injury concerns. On this one, the FO made a logical move, at least in my opinion. It's too bad that Minnesota held firm on wanting Bellinger for Dozier, and wouldn't take something like De Leon plus another lower prospect or two. Dozier is doing his annual murdering of baseballs tour post-ASB, and the thought of him on this team instead of Forsythe...man. Although Dozier's WAR is "only" 2.8 right now, so maybe we'd have a win or two more and that's it. But still. It'll be interesting to see what the Twins do with Dozier this winter, as he enters the final year of his deal. Maybe they make one final attempt to extend him, and if not, I think they have to bite the bullet and accept the best offer for him, which would surely be greater than the compensatory pick they would get if they offered him a QO after '18.
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