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| LAkers 4 Life wrote: | | rwongega wrote: | | Puig was on a hitting streak until the FO decided to bring in Reddick. Built this farm system? Where do you think our top 5 prospects the past 2 years came from? Seager, Urias, Deleon, Joc, Alex Verdugo, etc. You should thank Colletti and Logan White for that. Not this FO, they've been playing with the cards the previous regime gave them. If you think Brandon McCarthy is a short term bargain, I've got a bridge in Death Valley to sell you. The solution is simple. I know you and this sabermoron FO don't want to hear it but stop signing ex-A's/Rays/NL East/AL East players, especially injury prone pitchers. There were and still are plenty of other bargain players who did not step onto any of those teams. We foolishly gave Brett Anderson a QO when John Lackey cost the same just for 1 extra year. We signed Scott Kazmir to a 3 year $48m contract. JA Happ did more with less. |
I give a lot of credit to White for the drafts that netted those players. Colletti? Meh... I don't mind the Dodgers having a sabermetric front office, but the moves they've made aren't the type of smart sabermetric moves that the good ones make. McCarthy, Anderson and Kazmir are awful moves when you know they're gonna get hurt. Even worse, they're trying to lower their team salary cap and those 3 players are all albatrosses right now. Meanwhile, cheaper more talented alternatives like Lackey, Cueto, and Hill were available.
Now this trade proposal by ESPN would get fans excited: Chicago White Sox trade LHP Chris Sale and RHP David Robertson to the Los Angeles Dodgers for OF Yasiel Puig, RHP Jose De Leon, RHP Yadier Alvarez, and OF Alex Verdugo. Unfortunately, that would also mean they'd let Jansen leave, because well, that's what they do. |
If we can get Sale AND Robertson and not have to give up Bellinger or Calhoun (or Urias, duh), wrap it up and take it away! |
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Los Angeles Dodgers ace Clayton Kershaw and his wife, Ellen, welcomed a fourth member to the Kershaw family on Friday with the birth of Charley – an eight-pound, two-ounce baby boy.
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Dodger fans: We need a new 2nd baseman to replace Utley.
Pinky(AF)&Brain(FZ): Good point. We'll look into that.
DF: Deal with Detroit. They seem to want to go in a younger direction and move some of their vets.
P&B: We'll see about that.
DF: Oooh Kinsler and Verlander would be great. Get it done guys!
P&B: We're in talks.
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P&B: On second thought, why not keep the farm as is and look for cheaper alternatives?
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Pinky: Farhan, you got anything?
Brain: Lemme take a look at my scouting reports (of ex and current A's, Rays, and castaways). Good news! Logan Forsythe looks attainable!
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| Gatekeeper wrote: | Dodger fans: We need a new 2nd baseman to replace Utley.
Pinky(AF)&Brain(FZ): Good point. We'll look into that.
DF: Deal with Detroit. They seem to want to go in a younger direction and move some of their vets.
P&B: We'll see about that.
DF: Oooh Kinsler and Verlander would be great. Get it done guys!
P&B: We're in talks.
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P&B: On second thought, why not keep the farm as is and look for cheaper alternatives?
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Pinky: Farhan, you got anything?
Brain: Lemme take a look at my scouting reports (of ex and current A's, Rays, and castaways). Good news! Logan Forsythe looks attainable!
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In fairness, Forsythe murders left-handed pitching, has the 9th-highest WAR among 2nd baseman since 2015, and would figure to cost significantly less than what we'd have to give up for Kinsler, a guy that turns 35 next June and who wants an extension. Forsythe turns 30 in January and is due $7MM in '17 and has a team option for $8.5MM in '18.
I'm sure the Dodgers are doing their due diligence on many possible options. Forsythe wouldn't be a bad option IMO. Hopefully, he wouldn't be the centerpiece of our offseason, however! |
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The #Dodgers have reached an agreement on a 3-year deal with Rich Hill that's worth more than $40 million, per @pgammo
Well, at least Hill offers difference-making potential when healthy, and he got less than what Kazmir got last offseason. $13MM per year is the same as what Reddick got. If Hill can just be healthy for the stretch drive/postseason, he's well worth the average annual value. The health is obviously a concern and I wonder if he'll still be this effective in year 3, but this isn't an onerous contract in today's market. Welcome back, Rich! |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | Bob Nightengale @BNightengale 1m
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The #Dodgers have reached an agreement on a 3-year deal with Rich Hill that's worth more than $40 million, per @pgammo
Well, at least Hill offers difference-making potential when healthy, and he got less than what Kazmir got last offseason. $13MM per year is the same as what Reddick got. If Hill can just be healthy for the stretch drive/postseason, he's well worth the average annual value. The health is obviously a concern and I wonder if he'll still be this effective in year 3, but this isn't an onerous contract in today's market. Welcome back, Rich! |
Probably decent if he can stay healthy. There is absolutely zero market for starting pitching this offseason. |
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| DuncanIdaho wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | Bob Nightengale @BNightengale 1m
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The #Dodgers have reached an agreement on a 3-year deal with Rich Hill that's worth more than $40 million, per @pgammo
Well, at least Hill offers difference-making potential when healthy, and he got less than what Kazmir got last offseason. $13MM per year is the same as what Reddick got. If Hill can just be healthy for the stretch drive/postseason, he's well worth the average annual value. The health is obviously a concern and I wonder if he'll still be this effective in year 3, but this isn't an onerous contract in today's market. Welcome back, Rich! |
Probably decent if he can stay healthy. There is absolutely zero market for starting pitching this offseason. |
Otani won't be available until next offseason at the earliest, so yes. Only way is through trades, let's see what they do during winter meetings
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| rwongega wrote: | | Rich Hill and "if healthy", two things you'll often find in a sentence together. Guy hasn't shown he can be reliably healthy not to mention he's getting there in age too. Surely we can't be the only suckers? |
If he pitches 140-150 innings this will be a great deal. He was 2nd in ERA and 3rd in FIP last year. Dude has elite stuff and not a lot of miles on him, and Doc has shown he can manage his workload. Doesn't cost us a draft pick either.
We'll see how this one pans out, but it's better than McCarthy, Ryu and Anderson. There really is no starting pitching this year and we need some good innings out of someone. |
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| DuncanIdaho wrote: | | rwongega wrote: | | Rich Hill and "if healthy", two things you'll often find in a sentence together. Guy hasn't shown he can be reliably healthy not to mention he's getting there in age too. Surely we can't be the only suckers? |
If he pitches 140-150 innings this will be a great deal. He was 2nd in ERA and 3rd in FIP last year. Dude has elite stuff and not a lot of miles on him, and Doc has shown he can manage his workload. Doesn't cost us a draft pick either.
We'll see how this one pans out, but it's better than McCarthy, Ryu and Anderson. There really is no starting pitching this year and we need some good innings out of someone. |
That's a big IF. He's got a great chance at ending up just like McCarthy and Anderson, just with a tad lower ERA.
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| rwongega wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | rwongega wrote: | | Rich Hill and "if healthy", two things you'll often find in a sentence together. Guy hasn't shown he can be reliably healthy not to mention he's getting there in age too. Surely we can't be the only suckers? |
If he pitches 140-150 innings this will be a great deal. He was 2nd in ERA and 3rd in FIP last year. Dude has elite stuff and not a lot of miles on him, and Doc has shown he can manage his workload. Doesn't cost us a draft pick either.
We'll see how this one pans out, but it's better than McCarthy, Ryu and Anderson. There really is no starting pitching this year and we need some good innings out of someone. |
That's a big IF. He's got a great chance at ending up just like McCarthy and Anderson, just with a tad lower ERA. |
The difference here is that Hill can actually be a difference-making pitcher if healthy. I never thought that about Anderson, Kazmir, or McCarthy. Of course you would expect DL stints. The hope, though, is that he is healthy for the end of the season, when it really matters. It does look like it's going to be closer to $48MM than $40MM, for what it's worth. |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | rwongega wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | rwongega wrote: | | Rich Hill and "if healthy", two things you'll often find in a sentence together. Guy hasn't shown he can be reliably healthy not to mention he's getting there in age too. Surely we can't be the only suckers? |
If he pitches 140-150 innings this will be a great deal. He was 2nd in ERA and 3rd in FIP last year. Dude has elite stuff and not a lot of miles on him, and Doc has shown he can manage his workload. Doesn't cost us a draft pick either.
We'll see how this one pans out, but it's better than McCarthy, Ryu and Anderson. There really is no starting pitching this year and we need some good innings out of someone. |
That's a big IF. He's got a great chance at ending up just like McCarthy and Anderson, just with a tad lower ERA. |
The difference here is that Hill can actually be a difference-making pitcher if healthy. I never thought that about Anderson, Kazmir, or McCarthy. Of course you would expect DL stints. The hope, though, is that he is healthy for the end of the season, when it really matters. It does look like it's going to be closer to $48MM than $40MM, for what it's worth. |
Right. Hill, when healthy, is a top-5 pitcher. Those other 4 mistakes are not. This is the only time I've been on board with our FO's gambling. |
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| DuncanIdaho wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | rwongega wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | rwongega wrote: | | Rich Hill and "if healthy", two things you'll often find in a sentence together. Guy hasn't shown he can be reliably healthy not to mention he's getting there in age too. Surely we can't be the only suckers? |
If he pitches 140-150 innings this will be a great deal. He was 2nd in ERA and 3rd in FIP last year. Dude has elite stuff and not a lot of miles on him, and Doc has shown he can manage his workload. Doesn't cost us a draft pick either.
We'll see how this one pans out, but it's better than McCarthy, Ryu and Anderson. There really is no starting pitching this year and we need some good innings out of someone. |
That's a big IF. He's got a great chance at ending up just like McCarthy and Anderson, just with a tad lower ERA. |
The difference here is that Hill can actually be a difference-making pitcher if healthy. I never thought that about Anderson, Kazmir, or McCarthy. Of course you would expect DL stints. The hope, though, is that he is healthy for the end of the season, when it really matters. It does look like it's going to be closer to $48MM than $40MM, for what it's worth. |
Right. Hill, when healthy, is a top-5 pitcher. Those other 4 mistakes are not. This is the only time I've been on board with our FO's gambling. |
Top 5 pitcher? That's going overboard for a 2 pitch starter in the midst of a brief flash in the pan towards the twilight of his career.
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| rwongega wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | rwongega wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | rwongega wrote: | | Rich Hill and "if healthy", two things you'll often find in a sentence together. Guy hasn't shown he can be reliably healthy not to mention he's getting there in age too. Surely we can't be the only suckers? |
If he pitches 140-150 innings this will be a great deal. He was 2nd in ERA and 3rd in FIP last year. Dude has elite stuff and not a lot of miles on him, and Doc has shown he can manage his workload. Doesn't cost us a draft pick either.
We'll see how this one pans out, but it's better than McCarthy, Ryu and Anderson. There really is no starting pitching this year and we need some good innings out of someone. |
That's a big IF. He's got a great chance at ending up just like McCarthy and Anderson, just with a tad lower ERA. |
The difference here is that Hill can actually be a difference-making pitcher if healthy. I never thought that about Anderson, Kazmir, or McCarthy. Of course you would expect DL stints. The hope, though, is that he is healthy for the end of the season, when it really matters. It does look like it's going to be closer to $48MM than $40MM, for what it's worth. |
Right. Hill, when healthy, is a top-5 pitcher. Those other 4 mistakes are not. This is the only time I've been on board with our FO's gambling. |
Top 5 pitcher? That's going overboard for a 2 pitch starter in the midst of a brief flash in the pan towards the twilight of his career. |
I'll take a flash in the pan if he continues to win us playoff games  |
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| I won't complain about the Rich Hill signing, I know the market for pitching is pricey. However, Hill/Kazmir/McCarthy could potentially be a lot of wasted money that could've gone elsewhere. I really hate going after all these injury prone players. |
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| DuncanIdaho wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | Bob Nightengale @BNightengale 1m
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The #Dodgers have reached an agreement on a 3-year deal with Rich Hill that's worth more than $40 million, per @pgammo
Well, at least Hill offers difference-making potential when healthy, and he got less than what Kazmir got last offseason. $13MM per year is the same as what Reddick got. If Hill can just be healthy for the stretch drive/postseason, he's well worth the average annual value. The health is obviously a concern and I wonder if he'll still be this effective in year 3, but this isn't an onerous contract in today's market. Welcome back, Rich! |
Probably decent if he can stay healthy. There is absolutely zero market for starting pitching this offseason. |
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| ribeye wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | Bob Nightengale @BNightengale 1m
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The #Dodgers have reached an agreement on a 3-year deal with Rich Hill that's worth more than $40 million, per @pgammo
Well, at least Hill offers difference-making potential when healthy, and he got less than what Kazmir got last offseason. $13MM per year is the same as what Reddick got. If Hill can just be healthy for the stretch drive/postseason, he's well worth the average annual value. The health is obviously a concern and I wonder if he'll still be this effective in year 3, but this isn't an onerous contract in today's market. Welcome back, Rich! |
Probably decent if he can stay healthy. There is absolutely zero market for starting pitching this offseason. |
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You know what'd be more cost effective? STOP SIGNING INJURY PRONE EX-A/RAY/NL&AL EAST PLAYERS.
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Jon Heyman says that the Nationals are in the clear lead for Sale and that they have made progress in talks tonight. Interesting.
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| ChickenStu wrote: | Jon Heyman says that the Nationals are in the clear lead for Sale and that they have made progress in talks tonight. Interesting.
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Fear not. Edwin Jackson is available. And we can always re-sign Brett Anderson. Zaidi just threw his calculator against the wall after the Angels re-signed Andrew Bailey. There goes the closer for next year!
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And the Red Sox are paying the rest of Moncada's salary (just over $32MM) also. I wonder if the ChiSox are going to just have a fire sale now. Quintana is really good, too. Jose Abreu is someone I really like, but we already have A-Gone. Would love it if Abreu could play the outfield, but I don't think he can. Robertson is likely to be dealt.
I was watching MLB Network and Jon Morosi said that the Dodgers and Royals have discussed various trades, and that the possibility of a trade would go up if the Dodgers can't keep Turner or Jansen.
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Rumors of the Marlins are trying to put together an offer of $80 million over 5 years for Jansen. That might just be too rich for even the Dodgers to overbid to retain him if true.  The only consolation is that the Dodgers get the 14th pick... yay.  And just to add more to the wound, the Cubs are rumored to be acquiring Wade Davis for just Jorge Soler. If Baez ends up the closer, bring out the pitchforks. |
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| LAkers 4 Life wrote: | | Rumors of the Marlins are trying to put together an offer of $80 million over 5 years for Jansen. That might just be too rich for even the Dodgers to overbid to retain him if true. The only consolation is that the Dodgers get the 14th pick... yay. And just to add more to the wound, the Cubs are rumored to be acquiring Wade Davis for just Jorge Soler. If Baez ends up the closer, bring out the pitchforks. |
They would get the 14th pick?
| Quote: | If they end up signing with another team, their previous team is awarded a draft pick between the first and second round of the Rule 4 Draft the following June. The team who signs the player loses their first round draft pick, unless they are slated to have a pick in top ten. If that is the case, that pick is “protected” and the team forfeits their next pick. If a team signs multiple free agents who had been extended qualifying offers, the signing team loses subsequent picks. So if you had the 15th pick in the draft and sign two qualifying offer free agents, you would lose your first round pick and your second round pick the following year.
The signing team does not lose a draft pick if the player waits until after the June draft to sign with a new team. This happened with Kendrys Morales in 2014. The Marines made him a qualifying offer after 2013, he rejected it, but did not sign with a new team (the Twins) until after the draft. As a result, the Twins did not lose a pick and the Mariners did not gain one. Stephen Drew was in a similar spot that year, but the Red Sox re-signed him making the issue moot given that they were the team who had made the offer.
To summarize: Free agents who played with only one team the previous year are eligible for the qualifying offer. The qualifying offer is a one-year deal worth the average of the top 125 salaries in MLB. If a team makes the offer and the player does not accept it, the offering team is eligible to receive a compensation draft pick if the player signs elsewhere. The new team also loses a pick, but it is not the same pick as the one gained by the old team. |
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