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Who you got after Fultz?
Lonzo Ball
75%
 75%  [ 315 ]
Josh Jackson
15%
 15%  [ 64 ]
Jayson Tatum
1%
 1%  [ 8 ]
De'Aaron Fox
4%
 4%  [ 20 ]
Malik Monk
1%
 1%  [ 5 ]
Jonathan Isaac
0%
 0%  [ 4 ]
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:57 pm    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
I'm leaning for the Lakers:

#1: Fultz
#2: Jackson
#3: Isaac
#4: Ball

Maybe I'm just becoming less enamored by Ball. I was certainly caught in his daze during his peak, but stepping back, he's looking more and more like a really good passing SG...a little too much DLo redux in terms of people complaining about the same issues when DLO was running point.


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yinoma2001 wrote:
I'm leaning for the Lakers:

#1: Fultz
#2: Jackson
#3: Isaac
#4: Ball

Maybe I'm just becoming less enamored by Ball. I was certainly caught in his daze during his peak, but stepping back, he's looking more and more like a really good passing SG...a little too much DLo redux in terms of people complaining about the same issues when DLO was running point.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:08 pm    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
I'm leaning for the Lakers:

#1: Fultz
#2: Jackson
#3: Isaac
#4: Ball

Maybe I'm just becoming less enamored by Ball. I was certainly caught in his daze during his peak, but stepping back, he's looking more and more like a really good passing SG...a little too much DLo redux in terms of people complaining about the same issues when DLO was running point.


Me too,but it got to the point where it is about picking Fultz #1. After that I'd move the pick before I move Ingram or Dlo.

Those guys are talented but they have as many question marks as our own players.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:08 pm    Post subject:

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44TheLogo wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
I'm leaning for the Lakers:

#1: Fultz
#2: Jackson
#3: Isaac
#4: Ball

Maybe I'm just becoming less enamored by Ball. I was certainly caught in his daze during his peak, but stepping back, he's looking more and more like a really good passing SG...a little too much DLo redux in terms of people complaining about the same issues when DLO was running point.


#1 monk, #2 monk, #3 monk, and #4 monk.



Stop MONKeying around.


seriously though i'd be ecstatic if we get fultz, ball, jackson, or monk. i'm pretty indifferent about the other prospects. i could be talked into isaac simply because of his measurables but i don't love his fit with this roster.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:11 pm    Post subject:

Ball is the one guy that might not lead to (at least immediately) trading DLO or Ingram for Paul George. We might at least SEE what the team can do.

How does that affect his draft ranking?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:12 pm    Post subject:

nash wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
I'm leaning for the Lakers:

#1: Fultz
#2: Jackson
#3: Isaac
#4: Ball

Maybe I'm just becoming less enamored by Ball. I was certainly caught in his daze during his peak, but stepping back, he's looking more and more like a really good passing SG...a little too much DLo redux in terms of people complaining about the same issues when DLO was running point.


Me too,but it got to the point where it is about picking Fultz #1. After that I'd move the pick before I move Ingram or Dlo.

Those guys are talented but they have as many question marks as our own players.


I can see the Lakers taking Ball anywhere from 1-3, and then hurriedly deciding to trade DLO. I think that would be a mistake. I'm not certain how impactful Ball will be in his first years in the NBA. Lots of adjusting that will need to take place, whereas Fultz I feel will be pretty decent off the bat.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:31 pm    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
nash wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
I'm leaning for the Lakers:

#1: Fultz
#2: Jackson
#3: Isaac
#4: Ball

Maybe I'm just becoming less enamored by Ball. I was certainly caught in his daze during his peak, but stepping back, he's looking more and more like a really good passing SG...a little too much DLo redux in terms of people complaining about the same issues when DLO was running point.


Me too,but it got to the point where it is about picking Fultz #1. After that I'd move the pick before I move Ingram or Dlo.

Those guys are talented but they have as many question marks as our own players.


I can see the Lakers taking Ball anywhere from 1-3, and then hurriedly deciding to trade DLO. I think that would be a mistake. I'm not certain how impactful Ball will be in his first years in the NBA. Lots of adjusting that will need to take place, whereas Fultz I feel will be pretty decent off the bat.


I like Ball, but I find him too dependent of system and teammates.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:33 pm    Post subject:

I've heard Jarrett Allen has decent, albeit inconsistent, shooting mechanics.

I looked up his shot charts.

Layups: 63-101 (62.4%) Jumpers: 63-152 (41.5%) Dunks: 43-46 (93.5%)

Nov 11 Layups: 5-6 Jumpers: 2-4 Dunks: 0-0 (FG: 7-10 3FG: 0-0 FT: 2-4)
Nov 14 Layups: 2-2 Jumpers: 1-2 Dunks: 1-1 (FG: 4-5 3FG: 0-1 FT: 0-2)
Nov 17 Layups: 1-2 Jumpers: 0-3 Dunks: 0-0 (FG: 1-5 3FG: 0-0 FT: 4-9)
Nov 21 Layups: 2-3 Jumpers: 0-2 Dunks: 0-1 (FG: 2-6 3FG: 0-0 FT: 1-3)
Nov 22 Layups: 2-3 Jumpers: 3-5 Dunks: 1-1 (FG: 6-9 3FG: 0-0 FT: 3-4)
Nov 29 Layups: 3-6 Jumpers: 0-3 Dunks: 1-1 (FG: 4-10 3FG: 0-0 FT: 5-7)
Dec 2 Layups: 3-4 Jumpers: 1-1 Dunks: 0-0 (FG: 4-5 3FG: 0-0 FT: 3-5)
Dec 6 Layups: 2-3 Jumpers: 0-2 Dunks: 1-1 (FG: 3-6 3FG: 0-0 FT: 0-0)
Dec 10 N/A                   (FG: 2-4 3FG: 0-1 FT: 0-0)
Dec 17 N/A                   (FG: 5-10 3FG: 0-0 FT: 1-4)
Dec 21 Layups: 1-1 Jumpers: 5-6 Dunks: 2-2 (FG: 8-9 3FG: 0-0 FT: 0-0)
Dec 27 Layups: 3-4 Jumpers: 2-7 Dunks: 2-2 (FG: 7-13 3FG: 0-1 FT: 3-7)
Dec 30 Layups: 2-2 Jumpers: 3-4 Dunks: 2-3 (FG: 6-8 3FG: 0-0 FT: 2-2)
Jan 4 Layups: 1-3 Jumpers: 0-2 Dunks: 1-2 (FG: 2-7 3FG: 0-0 FT: 4-4)
Jan 7 Layups: 1-3 Jumpers: 2-5 Dunks: 2-2 (FG: 5-10 3FG: 0-0 FT: 1-2)
Jan 11 Layups: 3-6 Jumpers: 2-5 Dunks: 2-2 (FG: 8-14 3FG: 0-0 FT: 2-3)
Jan 14 Layups: 2-2 Jumpers: 3-4 Dunks: 0-0 (FG: 6-7 3FG: 0-0 FT: 7-8)
Jan 17 Layups: 1-2 Jumpers: 4-6 Dunks: 3-3 (FG: 7-10 3FG: 0-0 FT: 3-4)
Jan 21 Layups: 4-6 Jumpers: 4-7 Dunks: 1-1 (FG: 9-14 3FG: 0-0 FT: 4-7)
Jan 23 Layups: 1-4 Jumpers: 1-8 Dunks: 1-1 (FG: 3-13 3FG: 0-1 FT: 4-6)
Jan 28 Layups: 1-2 Jumpers: 1-5 Dunks: 0-0 (FG: 2-7 3FG: 0-0 FT: 0-1)
Feb 1 Layups: 3-3 Jumpers: 5-8 Dunks: 0-0 (FG: 8-11 3FG: 0-0 FT: 3-5)
Feb 4 Layups: 4-5 Jumpers: 3-7 Dunks: 2-2 (FG: 9-14 3FG: 0-0 FT: 4-6)
Feb 7 Layups: 1-1 Jumpers: 3-7 Dunks: 2-2 (FG: 7-11 3FG: 0-2 FT: 3-5)
Feb 11 Layups: 4-4 Jumpers: 1-6 Dunks: 3-3 (FG: 9-13 3FG: 0-0 FT: 0-7)
Feb 14 Layups: 2-6 Jumpers: 3-7 Dunks: 3-3 (FG: 8-16 3FG: 0-0 FT: 1-8)
Feb 18 Layups: 2-4 Jumpers: 1-3 Dunks: 0-0 (FG: 3-7 3FG: 0-0 FT: 6-8)
Feb 20 Layups: 2-3 Jumpers: 2-3 Dunks: 3-3 (FG: 7-9 3FG: 0-0 FT: 3-6)
Feb 25 Layups: 1-2 Jumpers: 4-8 Dunks: 3-3 (FG: 8-13 3FG: 0-0 FT: 4-6)
Mar 1 Layups: 0-0 Jumpers: 2-4 Dunks: 3-3 (FG: 5-7 3FG: 0-0 FT: 0-2)
Mar 4 Layups: 1-2 Jumpers: 4-8 Dunks: 2-2 (FG: 8-13 3FG: 0-0 FT: 4-5)
Mar 8 Layups: 1-2 Jumpers: 1-7 Dunks: 0-0 (FG: 2-9 3FG: 0-1 FT: 6-6)
Mar 9 Layups: 2-5 Jumpers: 0-3 Dunks: 2-2 (FG: 4-10 3FG: 0-0 FT: 1-3)


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:42 pm    Post subject:

I don't think Lonzo Ball is dropping at all. His game is just getting scrutinized more than anyone else's because it's unlike anything we have ever seen before. Also as far as I know, this is just the opinion of some people online, who knows what teams are thinking. He's also still #2 on the big 2 boards.

Before the season, he's mid-to-late lottery in most mock drafts. In fact, I saw a few where he was in the late teens. I remember this because I was hoping he would stay at UCLA if he wasn't a high pick. Once he starts playing though, he climbs up all the mock drafts to the spot he's been in for awhile. Now that he's stopped playing, the criticism has seemingly picked up again. I recognize that I am biased but I think he'll be a great pick.

Here's one mock before the season that has him at 19. It's bleacher report. I had trouble finding older mocks from the bigger sites. I agree that he's not the safest pick. I just think it's interesting how this timeline has gone. Before he plays for UCLA - His game probably won't translate. While he plays - this is amazing. After the season - His game won't translate.
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44TheLogo wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
I'm leaning for the Lakers:

#1: Fultz
#2: Jackson
#3: Isaac
#4: Ball

Maybe I'm just becoming less enamored by Ball. I was certainly caught in his daze during his peak, but stepping back, he's looking more and more like a really good passing SG...a little too much DLo redux in terms of people complaining about the same issues when DLO was running point.


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I do not know where Ball will be taken in the draft....will not be shocked if it is anywhere between #2 and #6....that being said, I do not think his place among scouts is changing, but I think it may be slipping with the general public because he had the biggest hype machine behind him during the college basketball season....now that the hype is not as loud and the NBA season is concluding, fans are taking a closer look at all the top guys.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:58 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
44TheLogo wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
I'm leaning for the Lakers:

#1: Fultz
#2: Jackson
#3: Isaac
#4: Ball

Maybe I'm just becoming less enamored by Ball. I was certainly caught in his daze during his peak, but stepping back, he's looking more and more like a really good passing SG...a little too much DLo redux in terms of people complaining about the same issues when DLO was running point.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:59 pm    Post subject:

44TheLogo wrote:
adkindo wrote:
44TheLogo wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
I'm leaning for the Lakers:

#1: Fultz
#2: Jackson
#3: Isaac
#4: Ball

Maybe I'm just becoming less enamored by Ball. I was certainly caught in his daze during his peak, but stepping back, he's looking more and more like a really good passing SG...a little too much DLo redux in terms of people complaining about the same issues when DLO was running point.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:01 pm    Post subject:

44TheLogo wrote:
adkindo wrote:
44TheLogo wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
I'm leaning for the Lakers:

#1: Fultz
#2: Jackson
#3: Isaac
#4: Ball

Maybe I'm just becoming less enamored by Ball. I was certainly caught in his daze during his peak, but stepping back, he's looking more and more like a really good passing SG...a little too much DLo redux in terms of people complaining about the same issues when DLO was running point.


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as just a general fan and wanting to see guys do well, if you do not get your wish, I would not mind seeing him land in Philly.....think he could excel with Simmons and Embiid.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:05 pm    Post subject:

Jevon Carter enters NBA Draft, won’t hire agent

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/jevon-carter-enters-nba-draft-212359872.html


Jevon needs to quit playing games with my emotions and get back to Morgantown ASAP.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:55 pm    Post subject:

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Jevon Carter enters NBA Draft, won’t hire agent

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/jevon-carter-enters-nba-draft-212359872.html


Jevon needs to quit playing games with my emotions and get back to Morgantown ASAP.


if we could get carter or morris with a 2nd round pick i'd be ecstatic.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:02 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
44TheLogo wrote:
adkindo wrote:
44TheLogo wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
I'm leaning for the Lakers:

#1: Fultz
#2: Jackson
#3: Isaac
#4: Ball

Maybe I'm just becoming less enamored by Ball. I was certainly caught in his daze during his peak, but stepping back, he's looking more and more like a really good passing SG...a little too much DLo redux in terms of people complaining about the same issues when DLO was running point.


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as just a general fan and wanting to see guys do well, if you do not get your wish, I would not mind seeing him land in Philly.....think he could excel with Simmons and Embiid.


yeah i think the right fit is anywhere that he could play off ball without having to defend 2s

hmm sounds like playing next to a big PG would be best oh hey look at that we have D'angelo Russell
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:12 pm    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
I'm leaning for the Lakers:

#1: Fultz
#2: Jackson
#3: Isaac
#4: Ball

Maybe I'm just becoming less enamored by Ball. I was certainly caught in his daze during his peak, but stepping back, he's looking more and more like a really good passing SG...a little too much DLo redux in terms of people complaining about the same issues when DLO was running point.

Out of curiosity: why Isaac over Ball? I don't really know much about him compared to the other top prospects
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Jevon Carter enters NBA Draft, won’t hire agent

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/jevon-carter-enters-nba-draft-212359872.html


Jevon needs to quit playing games with my emotions and get back to Morgantown ASAP.


He needs to go now; dude looks older than LeBron.
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adkindo wrote:
Jevon Carter enters NBA Draft, won’t hire agent

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/jevon-carter-enters-nba-draft-212359872.html


Jevon needs to quit playing games with my emotions and get back to Morgantown ASAP.


He needs to go now; dude looks older than LeBron.


hey, hey, hey....just a hairline thing....cant believe nobody has realized he has been @ WVU for almost a decade
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:29 pm    Post subject:

i wouldnt mind trading down the pick if workouts dont give us a clear #2 or 3 to draft, esp since im enticed by smith, ntilikina, and isaac. some GM will reach and a top guy will fall, but i wouldnt trade any of our players for another draft pick who might end up being a bust.
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Frank Jackson and Hamidou Diallo declaring for the draft but not signing agents


had a feeling Diallo would at least declare


Pretty much need to think of Diallo as a HS prospect. MAJOR concern if he didn't develop anything during his year at UK, even if it was in practice. I don't like the idea of skipping a year of progression between 18-24.
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Frank Jackson and Hamidou Diallo declaring for the draft but not signing agents


had a feeling Diallo would at least declare


Pretty much need to think of Diallo as a HS prospect. MAJOR concern if he didn't develop anything during his year at UK, even if it was in practice. I don't like the idea of skipping a year of progression between 18-24.


why do you assume he did not develop any in the past year? I think he gets a promise and stays in....he is an athletic freak with skills
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I also believe drafting 19 year old perimeter players for defense is a recipe for disaster: Orlando drafted Oladipo #2 because they thought in part that he would be a great defender, and look what happened. Detroit thought they were getting Ron Artest part 2 in drafting Stanley Johnson. How is that working out?


I disagree that he was drafted just for defense.

Oladipo shot 64.4% from 2pt range and 44% behind the arc, as one of Indiana's primary scoring options. Can't fake that. He even shot better than their #1 guy, Cody Zeller.

I had issues about those stats not translating to the NBA level because I didn't think he was a dynamic ball-handler, but no doubt at the time, he was definitely worth the lottery pick.

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Yes, we're terrible on D. But drafting a 19 year old (oops, I mean 20 year old) isn't the answer. Josh Jackson is getting overrated around these parts, and IMO, shouldn't be the pick.


But the idea is, you're drafting Jackson for defense AND playmaking. Bonus if he gets the shot right.

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The opposite holds true for Tatum: just doesn't make sense to draft ANY SF that's not CLEARLY better than Ingram. Period.


Disagree again, because now, the idea is you're building around Ingram out of need, and Ingram isn't an established franchise player. So then, it goes to BPA, regardless of archetype.

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So, IMO, that leaves Smith Jr, Isaac (who hasn't really been discussed at length AT ALL on here for some reason), and Monk.


Smith Jr. is a ball stopper that couldn't get his team to win, and even admitted in interviews that he has "lapsed" on offense in terms of effort. Flags.
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Monk's been getting some love on here & does deserve some consideration. Because of his lethal jumper & athleticism, he deserves some looking into--he truly could be a one-of-a-kind player (like Iverson, Westbrook, etc.) that defies conventional wisdom. Not necessarily saying that he should or shouldn't be the pick, but he should be looked into THOROUGHLY. I mean, when's the last time you saw an ATHLETE that could SHOOT like Monk? When's the last time you saw a SHOOTER that was THAT kind of athlete???


That's why I have him at #5. The only reason why I don't have him higher is because guys like Westbrook though more raw in terms of skill, showed much better motor off-the-ball and on the defensive end. People glare at his athleticism, but absolutely forget he has the motor of an elite PF at all given times. That's why he's a one-man fast break. Monk, doesn't have that motor, unless he's coming off of screens and getting shots. It's more Lou Williams than Westbrook, even if Monk has the twitch.
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I don't get why people aren't giving Isaac more love. I mean, if I told you that there's a 6'11" 19 year old with a 7'1" wingspan who can finish, create off the dribble, rebound, block shots, get steals, and shot 34% from 3, would you HONESTLY say that he doesn't have the chance to be a top-3 pick?


Basically he's Robert Horry, except he has asthma issues, concerns about strength, and more raw individual skills. He was "hidden" at FSU's system because they basically played 10 guys 20-25mpg, and we never saw that further exploited out of Isaac. Where was he in the tournament? Silent. He's not a shot creator or dynamic ball-handler, but a stud #3 or #4 option for teams looking for unicorns. If you're willing to wait on project players, he's the guy, but the Lakers don't have time to wait.
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Yeah. Could Isaac sneak up into top 3 territory, while Ball may fall?


Ball may fall, but I have MAJOR doubts about Isaac going into Top 3. He'll be a workout warrior, but he's still a project.
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