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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | DoubleClutch wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | I think a lot of the concerns about Ball are assuaged if you consider him to be a SG. |
This. Dude is 6'6", has unlimited range and solid hops. If he just didn't pass the ball so well everyone would call him a SG. The fact that he has elite court vision gets everyone confused because they think only point guards are supposed to be able to pass like that. It's basically the problem people have with Dlo, only more extreme. |
He has no mid range game and no PnR experience either. And how is he defensively against NBA guards? |
Lonzo strengths translates well in the NBA. I would worry if he was more of a scorer. |
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| CRoost wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | DoubleClutch wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | I think a lot of the concerns about Ball are assuaged if you consider him to be a SG. |
This. Dude is 6'6", has unlimited range and solid hops. If he just didn't pass the ball so well everyone would call him a SG. The fact that he has elite court vision gets everyone confused because they think only point guards are supposed to be able to pass like that. It's basically the problem people have with Dlo, only more extreme. |
He has no mid range game and no PnR experience either. And how is he defensively against NBA guards? |
Lonzo strengths translates well in the NBA. I would worry if he was more of a scorer. |
It depends on how he is used next level.
But you'd think that the Lakers actually need a #1 scorer first before building around that one guy.
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | LilJay24 wrote: | | Speaking of Lavar Ball, the head coach of Chino Hills basketball team got fired recently. Shortly after elimination, Lavar Ball said he would remove his child from the school because he didn't agree with the coaching decisions. Of course now Lavar is saying that he had nothing to do with the firing but come on, this dude just won a state title 2 years ago. That's pretty (bleep) up. |
The coach that won the state title left. |
... to coach at my alma mater, Fairfax High. I wonder if that coach (Steve Baik) really didn't want to deal with a few more years of Ball boys. |
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | DoubleClutch wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | I think a lot of the concerns about Ball are assuaged if you consider him to be a SG. |
This. Dude is 6'6", has unlimited range and solid hops. If he just didn't pass the ball so well everyone would call him a SG. The fact that he has elite court vision gets everyone confused because they think only point guards are supposed to be able to pass like that. It's basically the problem people have with Dlo, only more extreme. |
He has no mid range game and no PnR experience either. And how is he defensively against NBA guards? |
Lonzo strengths translates well in the NBA. I would worry if he was more of a scorer. |
It depends on how he is used next level.
But you'd think that the Lakers actually need a #1 scorer first before building around that one guy. |
Ingram will be the go to guy and Lonzo can set the pace going by Luke system.
Lonzo is not a dynamic scorer and if the coach wants to use him like Rose, it will be disservice . But if the coach utilized his passing and the way he move the ball and give him freedom to to set the pace, he can take advantage on whatever the defense gives him. He's athletic enough to take it to the hole and can shoot the 3 ball. He will be an off ball type of player in halfcourt. Can he transform himself with experience and work ethic and high bball IQ? Yeah but not from the get go and the coach should not expect him to.
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| adkindo wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | LilJay24 wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | LilJay24 wrote: | I have a prediction on this Lonzo and Lavar Ball drama. It's a pretty sad prediction, and I hope it never gets to that point but I feel like this is just going to end in a court case between the two like 5-7 years from now.
Lavar will continue to try to make as much profit off of Lonzo until he realizes what's going on. |
Lonzo makes his own profit off of their brand -_- |
He's losing deals with Nike, Addidas and all the top notch brands because Lavar wants the companies to license the Big Baller Brand.
He's losing millions because of his fathers greed for his own brand. |
Lavar got some balls.
I would never gamble for millions. I'll take the dough and run with it. But Lavar did a bold more here. The end will justify the means. |
after Big Baller Brand finally finds a partner with Heely's......wonder if he will get called for traveling if that little wheel pops out of his shoe and he begins skating down the court......
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BQJ-VYXBg1g/TlvM1ydc3xI/AAAAAAAAHn8/eRCTjYuKAxA/s1600/girls+night+at+home+8-2011+010.JPG |
If Lonzo will be that player like his father confident think he is then Lavar might get his way but if he's not then the brand will like a white elephant. |
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| CRoost wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | CRoost wrote: | | LilJay24 wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | LilJay24 wrote: | I have a prediction on this Lonzo and Lavar Ball drama. It's a pretty sad prediction, and I hope it never gets to that point but I feel like this is just going to end in a court case between the two like 5-7 years from now.
Lavar will continue to try to make as much profit off of Lonzo until he realizes what's going on. |
Lonzo makes his own profit off of their brand -_- |
He's losing deals with Nike, Addidas and all the top notch brands because Lavar wants the companies to license the Big Baller Brand.
He's losing millions because of his fathers greed for his own brand. |
Lavar got some balls.
I would never gamble for millions. I'll take the dough and run with it. But Lavar did a bold more here. The end will justify the means. |
after Big Baller Brand finally finds a partner with Heely's......wonder if he will get called for traveling if that little wheel pops out of his shoe and he begins skating down the court......
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BQJ-VYXBg1g/TlvM1ydc3xI/AAAAAAAAHn8/eRCTjYuKAxA/s1600/girls+night+at+home+8-2011+010.JPG |
If Lonzo will be that player like his father confident think he is then Lavar might get his way but if he's not then the brand will like a white elephant. |
Big Baller, like the Ball elder, are full of crap...
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| MJST wrote: | | If Lonzo is good, the shoe deal will happen. Period point blank. |
But at this point, where most other top teams picks get deals, he's not because his daddy thinks he's sitting on some billion dollar brand
So yeah.. he's losing a deal now because of it. Period point blank
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Neutral fan here...I come in peace.
I literally had to create a login to let you guys know...this is the only place that is defending that scumbag Lavar Ball. I guess you guys might get the son so it is expected.
That guy is a giant cancer waiting to happen to an NBA team.
Hopefully, you guys pass on that. Good luck! |
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| theanomaly wrote: | Neutral fan here...I come in peace.
I literally had to create a login to let you guys know...this is the only place that is defending that scumbag Lavar Ball. I guess you guys might get the son so it is expected.
That guy is a giant cancer waiting to happen to an NBA team.
Hopefully, you guys pass on that. Good luck! |
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| theanomaly wrote: | Neutral fan here...I come in peace.
I literally had to create a login to let you guys know...this is the only place that is defending that scumbag Lavar Ball. I guess you guys might get the son so it is expected.
That guy is a giant cancer waiting to happen to an NBA team.
Hopefully, you guys pass on that. Good luck! |
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| theanomaly wrote: | Neutral fan here...I come in peace.
I literally had to create a login to let you guys know...this is the only place that is defending that scumbag Lavar Ball. I guess you guys might get the son so it is expected.
That guy is a giant cancer waiting to happen to an NBA team.
Hopefully, you guys pass on that. Good luck! |
Using your emotion to pass on a player, ok.
Lavar will be a locker room cancer  Best believe that. |
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| MJST wrote: | | If Lonzo is good, the shoe deal will happen. Period point blank. |
Most def. Love him or hate him, it will change the game as far as athlete endorsement or branding and all of that. Like Dr. Dre with Beats. I would never bet on this though but I can see the upside. |
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| CRoost wrote: | | theanomaly wrote: | Neutral fan here...I come in peace.
I literally had to create a login to let you guys know...this is the only place that is defending that scumbag Lavar Ball. I guess you guys might get the son so it is expected.
That guy is a giant cancer waiting to happen to an NBA team.
Hopefully, you guys pass on that. Good luck! |
Using your emotion to pass on a player, ok.
Lavar will be a locker room cancer Best believe that. |
Yes, absolutely. That guy is going to wreck a locker room. Time will tell. |
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Most def. Love him or hate him, it will change the game as far as athlete endorsement or branding and all of that. |
how so? If putting more power in the athletes hands was the goal, Lavar Ball just set that fight back a couple decades as the shoe companies stood strong and fired a crushing blow to his hyperbole. They didn't say "we are still negotiating", or try to leave a crack in the door.....they put the hammer down and said "we'll pass".
The bigger point is Lavar is trying to push a narrative that the shoe companies are the bad guy....preying on poor little athletes. It is just not the case.....athletes have benefited greatly from partnerships with these companies. This whole market was created by those companies....genius or dumb luck, it was the companies that began to identify certain shoes with players and/or teams. Lavar's lack of business education and overall lack of intelligence is the biggest problem....he continues to act like Nike "gave" Lebron a huge contract, or UA gave Steph a signature shoe, but the contrary is true.....those players earned those contracts with their performance and personal brand strength. Nobody gives a crap about Lonzo Ball's brand outside of Southern California.....it literally carries no weight....nor does Fultz or Jackson. That brand has to be built, and Lavar needs to cease trying to steal the spotlight from his son, and allow him to go out and build his basketball brand. |
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Ike Anigbogu, Lonzo Ball, Jordan Bell, John Collins, Zach Collins, P.J. Dozier and Harry Giles have all received invites to the NBA Combine |
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2017 NBA DRAFT COMBINE UNOFFICIAL INVITEE BREAKDOWN
INVITED BUT NOT PARTICIPATING (3)
Frank Ntilikina, Strasbourg, In Season
Lonzo Ball, UCLA, Delcining
Rodions Kurucs, Barcelona II, In Season
INVITED (66)*And Participating in 5-on-5 Action
Alec Peters, Valparaiso, Injured
*Andrew Jones, Texas, (Testing)
Bam Adebayo, Kentucky
Caleb Swanigan, Purdue, (Testing)
*Cameron Oliver, Nevada, (Testing)
*D.J. Wilson, Michigan, (Testing)
*Damyean Dotson, Houston
*Davon Reed, Miami
De'Aaron Fox, Kentucky
Dennis Smith, N.C. State
*Derrick White, Colorado
*Devin Robinson, Florida
*Dillon Brooks, Oregon
Donovan Mitchell, Louisville, (Testing)
*Dwayne Bacon, Florida State
Edmond Sumner, Xavier, Injured
*Eric Mika, BYU, (Testing)
*Frank Jackson, Duke, (Testing)
*Frank Mason, Kansas
*Hamidou Diallo, Kentucky, (Testing)
Harry Giles, Duke
Ike Anigbogu, UCLA
*Isaiah Briscoe, Kentucky
*Isaiah Hicks, North Carolina
*Jamel Artis, Pittsburgh
*Jaron Blossomgame, Clemson
Jarrett Allen, Texas
*Jawun Evans, Oklahoma State
Jayson Tatum, Duke
John Collins, Wake Forest
*Johnathan Motley, Baylor, (Testing)
Jonathan Isaac, Florida State
*Jordan Bell, Oregon
*Josh Hart, Villanova
Josh Jackson, Kansas
Justin Jackson, North Carolina
*Justin Jackson (Canada), Maryland, (Testing)
Justin Patton, Creighton
*Kadeem Allen, Arizona
*Kennedy Meeks, North Carolina
*Kobi Simmons, Arizona
*Kyle Kuzma, Utah, (Testing)
Lauri Markkanen, Arizona
Luke Kennard, Duke
Malik Monk, Kentucky
Markelle Fultz, Washington
*Melo Trimble, Maryland
*Monte Morris, Iowa State
*Moritz Wagner, Michigan, (Testing)
*Nigel Williams-Goss, Gonzaga
OG Anunoby, Indiana, Injured
*Omer Yurtseven, NC State, (Testing)
*P.J. Dozier, South Carolina
*Rawle Alkins, Arizona, (Testing)
*Semi Ojeleye, SMU, (Testing)
*Sindarius Thornwell, South Carolina
*Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk, Kansas, (Testing)
T.J. Leaf, UCLA
Terrance Ferguson, Adelaide 36ers
*Thomas Bryant, Indiana, (Testing)
*Thomas Welsh, UCLA
*Tony Bradley, North Carolina, (Testing)
*Tyler Dorsey, Oregon
*Tyler Lydon, Syracuse
*Wesley Iwundu, Kansas State
Zach Collins, Gonzaga
ALTERNATES (7)
Aaron Holiday, UCLA, (Testing)
Amile Jefferson, Duke
Chris Boucher, Oregon
Deng Adel, Louisville, (Testing)
Derrick Walton, Michigan
L.J. Peak, Georgetown
Peter Jok, Iowa
Luke Kornet, Vanderbilt
Trevon Bluiett, Xavier, (Testing)
V.J. Beachem, Notre Dame
TOP-100 PLAYERS UNACCOUNTED FOR
Isaiah Hartenstein, Zalgiris, In Season
Jonathan Jeanne, Nancy, In Season
Kostja Mushidi, Mega Leks, In Season
Arnoldas Kulboka, Baunach, In Season
Jonah Bolden, FMP, In Season
Vlatko Cancar, Mega Leks, In Season
Vince Edwards, Purdue, (Testing)
Drew Eubanks, Oregon State, (Testing)
Chandler Hutchison, Boise State, (Testing)
Laurynas Birutis, Zalgiris II, In Season
George De Paula, Paulistano, In Season
Tacko Fall, UCF, (Testing)
Nik Slavica, Cibona, In Season
Elie Okobo, Pau Orthez, In Season
Antonio Blakeney, LSU
NOT AMONG FIRST BATCH OF INVITEES
Andrew White, Syracuse
Bronson Koenig, Wisconsin
Chance Comanche, Arizona, (Testing)
Isaac Humphries, Kentucky
London Perrantes, Virginia
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/2017-nba-draft-combine-unofficial-invitee-breakdown-5909/ |
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| Diallo participating in the 5 on 5. Interesting. |
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| Interested in a lottt of those guys scrimmaging, nice |
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| fiendishoc wrote: | | Diallo participating in the 5 on 5. Interesting. |
think almost all the guys "testing" or have not hired an agent plan on participating |
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| The only prospect participating in 5 on 5 with lottery potential is Tony Bradley. |
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| JUST-MING wrote: | | The only prospect participating in 5 on 5 with lottery potential is Tony Bradley. |
Crap, I have to add him at #28 too. Great Rebound %, solid touch, measurables there. Floor athleticism.
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| adkindo wrote: | | CRoost wrote: |
Most def. Love him or hate him, it will change the game as far as athlete endorsement or branding and all of that. |
how so? If putting more power in the athletes hands was the goal, Lavar Ball just set that fight back a couple decades as the shoe companies stood strong and fired a crushing blow to his hyperbole. They didn't say "we are still negotiating", or try to leave a crack in the door.....they put the hammer down and said "we'll pass".
The bigger point is Lavar is trying to push a narrative that the shoe companies are the bad guy....preying on poor little athletes. It is just not the case.....athletes have benefited greatly from partnerships with these companies. This whole market was created by those companies....genius or dumb luck, it was the companies that began to identify certain shoes with players and/or teams. Lavar's lack of business education and overall lack of intelligence is the biggest problem....he continues to act like Nike "gave" Lebron a huge contract, or UA gave Steph a signature shoe, but the contrary is true.....those players earned those contracts with their performance and personal brand strength. Nobody gives a crap about Lonzo Ball's brand outside of Southern California.....it literally carries no weight....nor does Fultz or Jackson. That brand has to be built, and Lavar needs to cease trying to steal the spotlight from his son, and allow him to go out and build his basketball brand. |
Imagine if Jordan actually branded himself and just use Nike as co partner and distributor, he would have made more money. The Nike net revenue is growing 6 % since 2012. When they separated the Jordan brand on their revenue, it was only 2% while the Jordan brand actually grew 18% with a net revenue over $2.6 billion. If Jordan took the Lavar way, he would have made more than his contract in Nike. Jordan reported earned $100 million in 2015 and 44 milllion a year from 2002-2012.
This begs a question of can an athlete build his own brand? Can someone like Lebron (who has a for life contract with Nike) pull this off. It takes a proven superstar to demand this, not Lonzo who has prove nothing yet. I remember Shaq did this and partnered himself with Payless. |
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| CRoost wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | CRoost wrote: |
Most def. Love him or hate him, it will change the game as far as athlete endorsement or branding and all of that. |
how so? If putting more power in the athletes hands was the goal, Lavar Ball just set that fight back a couple decades as the shoe companies stood strong and fired a crushing blow to his hyperbole. They didn't say "we are still negotiating", or try to leave a crack in the door.....they put the hammer down and said "we'll pass".
The bigger point is Lavar is trying to push a narrative that the shoe companies are the bad guy....preying on poor little athletes. It is just not the case.....athletes have benefited greatly from partnerships with these companies. This whole market was created by those companies....genius or dumb luck, it was the companies that began to identify certain shoes with players and/or teams. Lavar's lack of business education and overall lack of intelligence is the biggest problem....he continues to act like Nike "gave" Lebron a huge contract, or UA gave Steph a signature shoe, but the contrary is true.....those players earned those contracts with their performance and personal brand strength. Nobody gives a crap about Lonzo Ball's brand outside of Southern California.....it literally carries no weight....nor does Fultz or Jackson. That brand has to be built, and Lavar needs to cease trying to steal the spotlight from his son, and allow him to go out and build his basketball brand. |
Imagine if Jordan actually branded himself and just use Nike as co partner and distributor, he would have made more money. The Nike net revenue is growing 6 % since 2012. When they separated the Jordan brand on their revenue, it was only 2% while the Jordan brand actually grew 18% with a net revenue over $2.6 billion. If Jordan took the Lavar way, he would have made more than his contract in Nike. Jordan reported earned $100 million in 2015 and 44 milllion a year from 2002-2012.
This begs a question of can an athlete build his own brand? Can someone like Lebron (who has a for life contract with Nike) pull this off. It takes a proven superstar to demand this, not Lonzo who has prove nothing yet. I remember Shaq did this and partnered himself with Payless. |
Yeah, except you're leaving out the fact that Nike literally revolutionized the very concept of sports marketing. It's not like MJ could have done that himself; he needed Nike.
Big Baller Brand isn't revolutionizing anything, even if it somehow gets really successful. It's just another apparel company. |
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