little list I made? It is little because we have the 3rd pick...Seriously Jim.....you had no presence in the draft thread until a week or so ago.....we have been discussing these players for months, and now you feel you are in a place to tell people what is what about the draft? How much time have you actually spent evaluating to top 10 guys? Going out on a thick limb here and guessing a minimal amount.
we have the 2nd pick. so time spent == better evaluation? disagree
the list looses credibility when Ball is not in the top 4
Thought some of y'all that are campaigning for Lonzo would enjoy this analysis by an actual scout and D-1 Analytics specialist that has reviewed every basketball action of this player.
Wow. Thanks for that. That scout's response to the Liberty Ballers article on Lonzo was really enlightening. I like how he used Synergy data which is more accurate and upends many of the premises about Lonzo's weaknesses. They do exist but it's a lot less than people realize, and how the reasons for it are not obvious, often leading to wrong assumptions about Lonzo's game.
I didn't know he had that many PnR situations and he generally made the right read in the context of the UCLA-designed offense. That link to the Twitter thread of Lonzo's drives made me feel better, too.
How did you find that article? Does he write other stuff regularly? I love his more nuanced take on things. I like Lonzo but I've been wary about him, especially after reading that two-part Liberty Baller article, but I'm definitely more excited about him now.
Imam Shebaz (?) on SilverScreenAndRoll found it...the guy that wrote the article reminded me just how little I know about real talent assessment on the hardwood. LOL.
Thanks. That and his other article were really enlightening.
I feel so much better about drafting Lonzo now.
Seems to me its a 99% choice of Fultz is no. 1. Whether its for Boston or Indiana, or Chicago, who knows.
That leaves us at no. 2. Seems like the national spotlight says Ball however, IMO there are a few others really worth looking at that spot. Looking at all the tapes on Jackson, he looks like a monster, as does Tatum. Isaac with all that potential, and Fox and DSJ with athleticism and speed.
Why not take Ball at 2 and trade DAR to Philly for 3 and pick up Jackson or Tatum.
Besides Ball and DAR are really both SG's with passing skills. Can also pick up a PG at 28.....such a deep draft at PG. Maybe Juwan Evans?
It would be hard to see DAR go, but Philly could pair him with his old school mate in Simmons for a great duo.
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Posted: Mon May 22, 2017 9:19 pm Post subject:
lakerfanaticPT wrote:
Seems to me its a 99% choice of Fultz is no. 1. Whether its for Boston or Indiana, or Chicago, who knows.
That leaves us at no. 2. Seems like the national spotlight says Ball however, IMO there are a few others really worth looking at that spot. Looking at all the tapes on Jackson, he looks like a monster, as does Tatum. Isaac with all that potential, and Fox and DSJ with athleticism and speed.
Why not take Ball at 2 and trade DAR to Philly for 3 and pick up Jackson or Tatum.
Besides Ball and DAR are really both SG's with passing skills. Can also pick up a PG at 28.....such a deep draft at PG. Maybe Juwan Evans?
It would be hard to see DAR go, but Philly could pair him with his old school mate in Simmons for a great duo.
Because that would leave the team with an even bigger deficit in shooting and no one who can create an advantage in the half court via PnR, which is half the NBA game.
Seems to me its a 99% choice of Fultz is no. 1. Whether its for Boston or Indiana, or Chicago, who knows.
That leaves us at no. 2. Seems like the national spotlight says Ball however, IMO there are a few others really worth looking at that spot. Looking at all the tapes on Jackson, he looks like a monster, as does Tatum. Isaac with all that potential, and Fox and DSJ with athleticism and speed.
Why not take Ball at 2 and trade DAR to Philly for 3 and pick up Jackson or Tatum.
Besides Ball and DAR are really both SG's with passing skills. Can also pick up a PG at 28.....such a deep draft at PG. Maybe Juwan Evans?
It would be hard to see DAR go, but Philly could pair him with his old school mate in Simmons for a great duo.
No. both have shooting guard height, but they facilitate differently. Ball is excellent in transition but struggles in the half court. Where as Russell is our best half court player. You make Lonzo the primary facilitator and all these issues you see people complain about Russell, will be even worse on Ball minus transition.
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Three guys I'm told the #Lakers like who could last until the 20s: Jonathan Jeanne, Harry Giles and Bam Adebayo.
Seems to me its a 99% choice of Fultz is no. 1. Whether its for Boston or Indiana, or Chicago, who knows.
That leaves us at no. 2. Seems like the national spotlight says Ball however, IMO there are a few others really worth looking at that spot. Looking at all the tapes on Jackson, he looks like a monster, as does Tatum. Isaac with all that potential, and Fox and DSJ with athleticism and speed.
Why not take Ball at 2 and trade DAR to Philly for 3 and pick up Jackson or Tatum.
Besides Ball and DAR are really both SG's with passing skills. Can also pick up a PG at 28.....such a deep draft at PG. Maybe Juwan Evans?
It would be hard to see DAR go, but Philly could pair him with his old school mate in Simmons for a great duo.
Because that would leave the team with an even bigger deficit in shooting and no one who can create an advantage in the half court via PnR, which is half the NBA game.
How does that leave the team with worse shooting? Lonzo shoots as well as DAR. You lose nothing in shooting but gain a huge defensive impact on the team with someone like Jackson. The pick in roll is taken apart by guys like Evans, Grab him at 28. Team is better all around.
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Three guys I'm told the #Lakers like who could last until the 20s: Jonathan Jeanne, Harry Giles and Bam Adebayo.
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Mike@LG wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
pio2u wrote:
Quote:
Ryan Ward: Next group of workouts for the Lakers include: Kadeem Allen, Jamel Artis, Sidy Djitte, J.J. Frazier, Josh Hawkinson, L.J. Peak #NBADraft 2 hours ago – via Twitter RyanWardLA
Artis can shoot..
Fast trigger.
If we draft him, hopefully he ends up like Jamal Crawford.
George McCloud.
But that's the guy you want in Luke's offense. Dead eye shooter. Makes reads. Average athlete. Able to draw some fouls. Needs to get a bit stronger.
I'll see your Crawford and McCloud and raise you a Khris Middleton.
He's a bit lighter by about 20lbs., but Like Middleton, Artis isn't super athletic but he can do a little bit of handling, a little bit of creating, and has a really nice looking jumper. It should also be mentioned that Middleton was a late draft pick, going 39th overall in 2012. _________________ In Rob I trust.
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adkindo wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
hydrohead wrote:
Lakers #2 for phillys #3 and the rights to our draft pick in 2018. Who says no?
Philly
your probably right.....but I have heard a lot of analysts say Philly is the idea fit for Ball....a low usage PG that will play a lot off ball....combined with Simmons, a high usage #4 who will have the role of PG in the half court
my thoughts as well. would be a nice blend for philly if they are super hot for ball. i think we would be happy with fox with his speed and defense. perhaps we could throw in clarkson or the 28. all this because i think come this time next year we are really going to wish we had our pick. _________________ Darvin
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Posted: Mon May 22, 2017 9:40 pm Post subject:
lakerfanaticPT wrote:
fiendishoc wrote:
lakerfanaticPT wrote:
Seems to me its a 99% choice of Fultz is no. 1. Whether its for Boston or Indiana, or Chicago, who knows.
That leaves us at no. 2. Seems like the national spotlight says Ball however, IMO there are a few others really worth looking at that spot. Looking at all the tapes on Jackson, he looks like a monster, as does Tatum. Isaac with all that potential, and Fox and DSJ with athleticism and speed.
Why not take Ball at 2 and trade DAR to Philly for 3 and pick up Jackson or Tatum.
Besides Ball and DAR are really both SG's with passing skills. Can also pick up a PG at 28.....such a deep draft at PG. Maybe Juwan Evans?
It would be hard to see DAR go, but Philly could pair him with his old school mate in Simmons for a great duo.
Because that would leave the team with an even bigger deficit in shooting and no one who can create an advantage in the half court via PnR, which is half the NBA game.
How does that leave the team with worse shooting? Lonzo shoots as well as DAR. You lose nothing in shooting but gain a huge defensive impact on the team with someone like Jackson. The pick in roll is taken apart by guys like Evans, Grab him at 28. Team is better all around.
Because Lonzo is almost certainly not going to be the shooter Nick Young was last year. So lack of shooting was already a big issue last season, and then you get even worse by replacing Swaggy with a rookie, and now you want to get even worse by replacing DLO with a non-shooter.
If you think the team is better all around by starting 3 rookies, there's really not much else to discuss with you.
Seems to me its a 99% choice of Fultz is no. 1. Whether its for Boston or Indiana, or Chicago, who knows.
That leaves us at no. 2. Seems like the national spotlight says Ball however, IMO there are a few others really worth looking at that spot. Looking at all the tapes on Jackson, he looks like a monster, as does Tatum. Isaac with all that potential, and Fox and DSJ with athleticism and speed.
Why not take Ball at 2 and trade DAR to Philly for 3 and pick up Jackson or Tatum.
Besides Ball and DAR are really both SG's with passing skills. Can also pick up a PG at 28.....such a deep draft at PG. Maybe Juwan Evans?
It would be hard to see DAR go, but Philly could pair him with his old school mate in Simmons for a great duo.
Because that would leave the team with an even bigger deficit in shooting and no one who can create an advantage in the half court via PnR, which is half the NBA game.
How does that leave the team with worse shooting? Lonzo shoots as well as DAR. You lose nothing in shooting but gain a huge defensive impact on the team with someone like Jackson. The pick in roll is taken apart by guys like Evans, Grab him at 28. Team is better all around.
Because Lonzo is almost certainly not going to be the shooter Nick Young was last year. So lack of shooting was already a big issue last season, and then you get even worse by replacing Swaggy with a rookie, and now you want to get even worse by replacing DLO with a non-shooter.
If you think the team is better all around by starting 3 rookies, there's really not much else to discuss with you.
They will be replacing Swaggy with Paul George. Shooting will not be the problem. Defense was and IS the problem and if you cant see that, then I have nothing to discuss with you.
Seems to me its a 99% choice of Fultz is no. 1. Whether its for Boston or Indiana, or Chicago, who knows.
That leaves us at no. 2. Seems like the national spotlight says Ball however, IMO there are a few others really worth looking at that spot. Looking at all the tapes on Jackson, he looks like a monster, as does Tatum. Isaac with all that potential, and Fox and DSJ with athleticism and speed.
Why not take Ball at 2 and trade DAR to Philly for 3 and pick up Jackson or Tatum.
Besides Ball and DAR are really both SG's with passing skills. Can also pick up a PG at 28.....such a deep draft at PG. Maybe Juwan Evans?
It would be hard to see DAR go, but Philly could pair him with his old school mate in Simmons for a great duo.
Because that would leave the team with an even bigger deficit in shooting and no one who can create an advantage in the half court via PnR, which is half the NBA game.
How does that leave the team with worse shooting? Lonzo shoots as well as DAR. You lose nothing in shooting but gain a huge defensive impact on the team with someone like Jackson. The pick in roll is taken apart by guys like Evans, Grab him at 28. Team is better all around.
Because Lonzo is almost certainly not going to be the shooter Nick Young was last year. So lack of shooting was already a big issue last season, and then you get even worse by replacing Swaggy with a rookie, and now you want to get even worse by replacing DLO with a non-shooter.
If you think the team is better all around by starting 3 rookies, there's really not much else to discuss with you.
They will be replacing Swaggy with Paul George. Shooting will not be the problem. Defense was and IS the problem and if you cant see that, then I have nothing to discuss with you.
lol son
fiendishoc wrote a (bleep) novel on the lakers defense
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Posted: Mon May 22, 2017 9:52 pm Post subject:
lakerfanaticPT wrote:
fiendishoc wrote:
lakerfanaticPT wrote:
fiendishoc wrote:
lakerfanaticPT wrote:
Seems to me its a 99% choice of Fultz is no. 1. Whether its for Boston or Indiana, or Chicago, who knows.
That leaves us at no. 2. Seems like the national spotlight says Ball however, IMO there are a few others really worth looking at that spot. Looking at all the tapes on Jackson, he looks like a monster, as does Tatum. Isaac with all that potential, and Fox and DSJ with athleticism and speed.
Why not take Ball at 2 and trade DAR to Philly for 3 and pick up Jackson or Tatum.
Besides Ball and DAR are really both SG's with passing skills. Can also pick up a PG at 28.....such a deep draft at PG. Maybe Juwan Evans?
It would be hard to see DAR go, but Philly could pair him with his old school mate in Simmons for a great duo.
Because that would leave the team with an even bigger deficit in shooting and no one who can create an advantage in the half court via PnR, which is half the NBA game.
How does that leave the team with worse shooting? Lonzo shoots as well as DAR. You lose nothing in shooting but gain a huge defensive impact on the team with someone like Jackson. The pick in roll is taken apart by guys like Evans, Grab him at 28. Team is better all around.
Because Lonzo is almost certainly not going to be the shooter Nick Young was last year. So lack of shooting was already a big issue last season, and then you get even worse by replacing Swaggy with a rookie, and now you want to get even worse by replacing DLO with a non-shooter.
If you think the team is better all around by starting 3 rookies, there's really not much else to discuss with you.
They will be replacing Swaggy with Paul George. Shooting will not be the problem. Defense was and IS the problem and if you cant see that, then I have nothing to discuss with you.
So they will be starting Evans, Ball, Jackson, Ingram, and PG. OK then. That will really solve the defense problem.
little list I made? It is little because we have the 3rd pick...Seriously Jim.....you had no presence in the draft thread until a week or so ago.....we have been discussing these players for months, and now you feel you are in a place to tell people what is what about the draft? How much time have you actually spent evaluating to top 10 guys? Going out on a thick limb here and guessing a minimal amount.
we have the 2nd pick. so time spent == better evaluation? disagree
the list looses credibility when Ball is not in the top 4
Thought some of y'all that are campaigning for Lonzo would enjoy this analysis by an actual scout and D-1 Analytics specialist that has reviewed every basketball action of this player.
Wow. Thanks for that. That scout's response to the Liberty Ballers article on Lonzo was really enlightening. I like how he used Synergy data which is more accurate and upends many of the premises about Lonzo's weaknesses. They do exist but it's a lot less than people realize, and how the reasons for it are not obvious, often leading to wrong assumptions about Lonzo's game.
I didn't know he had that many PnR situations and he generally made the right read in the context of the UCLA-designed offense. That link to the Twitter thread of Lonzo's drives made me feel better, too.
How did you find that article? Does he write other stuff regularly? I love his more nuanced take on things. I like Lonzo but I've been wary about him, especially after reading that two-part Liberty Baller article, but I'm definitely more excited about him now.
Imam Shebaz (?) on SilverScreenAndRoll found it...the guy that wrote the article reminded me just how little I know about real talent assessment on the hardwood. LOL.
Thanks. That and his other article were really enlightening.
I feel so much better about drafting Lonzo now.
That's how I felt too when I read it this morning...such solid analysis that you know Jesse and Ryan are already all over. _________________ "If You're Afraid To Fail...Then You're Probably Going To Fail."
- Kobe
Seems to me its a 99% choice of Fultz is no. 1. Whether its for Boston or Indiana, or Chicago, who knows.
That leaves us at no. 2. Seems like the national spotlight says Ball however, IMO there are a few others really worth looking at that spot. Looking at all the tapes on Jackson, he looks like a monster, as does Tatum. Isaac with all that potential, and Fox and DSJ with athleticism and speed.
Why not take Ball at 2 and trade DAR to Philly for 3 and pick up Jackson or Tatum.
Besides Ball and DAR are really both SG's with passing skills. Can also pick up a PG at 28.....such a deep draft at PG. Maybe Juwan Evans?
It would be hard to see DAR go, but Philly could pair him with his old school mate in Simmons for a great duo.
Because that would leave the team with an even bigger deficit in shooting and no one who can create an advantage in the half court via PnR, which is half the NBA game.
How does that leave the team with worse shooting? Lonzo shoots as well as DAR. You lose nothing in shooting but gain a huge defensive impact on the team with someone like Jackson. The pick in roll is taken apart by guys like Evans, Grab him at 28. Team is better all around.
Because Lonzo is almost certainly not going to be the shooter Nick Young was last year. So lack of shooting was already a big issue last season, and then you get even worse by replacing Swaggy with a rookie, and now you want to get even worse by replacing DLO with a non-shooter.
If you think the team is better all around by starting 3 rookies, there's really not much else to discuss with you.
They will be replacing Swaggy with Paul George. Shooting will not be the problem. Defense was and IS the problem and if you cant see that, then I have nothing to discuss with you.
So they will be starting Evans, Ball, Jackson, Ingram, and PG. OK then. That will really solve the defense problem.
Obviously they dont start that 5. Be real. Moz or ZU, Randle, PG, Ingram, and Ball. Evans/Ennis, Nwaba/Clarkson, Jackson, Nance as reserves. Not too bad to start
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Posted: Mon May 22, 2017 10:01 pm Post subject:
lakerfanaticPT wrote:
fiendishoc wrote:
lakerfanaticPT wrote:
fiendishoc wrote:
lakerfanaticPT wrote:
fiendishoc wrote:
lakerfanaticPT wrote:
Seems to me its a 99% choice of Fultz is no. 1. Whether its for Boston or Indiana, or Chicago, who knows.
That leaves us at no. 2. Seems like the national spotlight says Ball however, IMO there are a few others really worth looking at that spot. Looking at all the tapes on Jackson, he looks like a monster, as does Tatum. Isaac with all that potential, and Fox and DSJ with athleticism and speed.
Why not take Ball at 2 and trade DAR to Philly for 3 and pick up Jackson or Tatum.
Besides Ball and DAR are really both SG's with passing skills. Can also pick up a PG at 28.....such a deep draft at PG. Maybe Juwan Evans?
It would be hard to see DAR go, but Philly could pair him with his old school mate in Simmons for a great duo.
Because that would leave the team with an even bigger deficit in shooting and no one who can create an advantage in the half court via PnR, which is half the NBA game.
How does that leave the team with worse shooting? Lonzo shoots as well as DAR. You lose nothing in shooting but gain a huge defensive impact on the team with someone like Jackson. The pick in roll is taken apart by guys like Evans, Grab him at 28. Team is better all around.
Because Lonzo is almost certainly not going to be the shooter Nick Young was last year. So lack of shooting was already a big issue last season, and then you get even worse by replacing Swaggy with a rookie, and now you want to get even worse by replacing DLO with a non-shooter.
If you think the team is better all around by starting 3 rookies, there's really not much else to discuss with you.
They will be replacing Swaggy with Paul George. Shooting will not be the problem. Defense was and IS the problem and if you cant see that, then I have nothing to discuss with you.
So they will be starting Evans, Ball, Jackson, Ingram, and PG. OK then. That will really solve the defense problem.
Obviously they dont start that 5. Be real. Moz or ZU, Randle, PG, Ingram, and Ball. Evans/Ennis, Nwaba/Clarkson, Jackson, Nance as reserves. Not too bad to start
But you could save yourself the contortions (drafting Evans, etc) by trading Ingram instead of DLO if you really wanted Jackson. Or else it looks like the main object is to get rid of DLO rather than constructing a lineup that makes sense.
Seems to me its a 99% choice of Fultz is no. 1. Whether its for Boston or Indiana, or Chicago, who knows.
That leaves us at no. 2. Seems like the national spotlight says Ball however, IMO there are a few others really worth looking at that spot. Looking at all the tapes on Jackson, he looks like a monster, as does Tatum. Isaac with all that potential, and Fox and DSJ with athleticism and speed.
Why not take Ball at 2 and trade DAR to Philly for 3 and pick up Jackson or Tatum.
Besides Ball and DAR are really both SG's with passing skills. Can also pick up a PG at 28.....such a deep draft at PG. Maybe Juwan Evans?
It would be hard to see DAR go, but Philly could pair him with his old school mate in Simmons for a great duo.
Because that would leave the team with an even bigger deficit in shooting and no one who can create an advantage in the half court via PnR, which is half the NBA game.
How does that leave the team with worse shooting? Lonzo shoots as well as DAR. You lose nothing in shooting but gain a huge defensive impact on the team with someone like Jackson. The pick in roll is taken apart by guys like Evans, Grab him at 28. Team is better all around.
Because Lonzo is almost certainly not going to be the shooter Nick Young was last year. So lack of shooting was already a big issue last season, and then you get even worse by replacing Swaggy with a rookie, and now you want to get even worse by replacing DLO with a non-shooter.
If you think the team is better all around by starting 3 rookies, there's really not much else to discuss with you.
They will be replacing Swaggy with Paul George. Shooting will not be the problem. Defense was and IS the problem and if you cant see that, then I have nothing to discuss with you.
So they will be starting Evans, Ball, Jackson, Ingram, and PG. OK then. That will really solve the defense problem.
Obviously they dont start that 5. Be real. Moz or ZU, Randle, PG, Ingram, and Ball. Evans/Ennis, Nwaba/Clarkson, Jackson, Nance as reserves. Not too bad to start
But you could save yourself the contortions (drafting Evans, etc) by trading Ingram instead of DLO if you really wanted Jackson. Or else it looks like the main object is to get rid of DLO rather than constructing a lineup that makes sense.
I guess we agree to disagree, I feel that DAR and Ball are too similar. I feel Ingram, Jackson, and PG are the pieces that today's NBA are moving toward. Wings that are athletic and can do lots of things. Add Ball to that and we got something. It's just one mans opinion.
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Three guys I'm told the #Lakers like who could last until the 20s: Jonathan Jeanne, Harry Giles and Bam Adebayo.
lakers want that Athletic Big with legit Size.. Jeanne would need to put on some weight tho..
Seems to me its a 99% choice of Fultz is no. 1. Whether its for Boston or Indiana, or Chicago, who knows.
That leaves us at no. 2. Seems like the national spotlight says Ball however, IMO there are a few others really worth looking at that spot. Looking at all the tapes on Jackson, he looks like a monster, as does Tatum. Isaac with all that potential, and Fox and DSJ with athleticism and speed.
Why not take Ball at 2 and trade DAR to Philly for 3 and pick up Jackson or Tatum.
Besides Ball and DAR are really both SG's with passing skills. Can also pick up a PG at 28.....such a deep draft at PG. Maybe Juwan Evans?
It would be hard to see DAR go, but Philly could pair him with his old school mate in Simmons for a great duo.
Because that would leave the team with an even bigger deficit in shooting and no one who can create an advantage in the half court via PnR, which is half the NBA game.
How does that leave the team with worse shooting? Lonzo shoots as well as DAR. You lose nothing in shooting but gain a huge defensive impact on the team with someone like Jackson. The pick in roll is taken apart by guys like Evans, Grab him at 28. Team is better all around.
Because Lonzo is almost certainly not going to be the shooter Nick Young was last year. So lack of shooting was already a big issue last season, and then you get even worse by replacing Swaggy with a rookie, and now you want to get even worse by replacing DLO with a non-shooter.
If you think the team is better all around by starting 3 rookies, there's really not much else to discuss with you.
They will be replacing Swaggy with Paul George. Shooting will not be the problem. Defense was and IS the problem and if you cant see that, then I have nothing to discuss with you.
So they will be starting Evans, Ball, Jackson, Ingram, and PG. OK then. That will really solve the defense problem.
Obviously they dont start that 5. Be real. Moz or ZU, Randle, PG, Ingram, and Ball. Evans/Ennis, Nwaba/Clarkson, Jackson, Nance as reserves. Not too bad to start
But you could save yourself the contortions (drafting Evans, etc) by trading Ingram instead of DLO if you really wanted Jackson. Or else it looks like the main object is to get rid of DLO rather than constructing a lineup that makes sense.
I guess we agree to disagree, I feel that DAR and Ball are too similar. I feel Ingram, Jackson, and PG are the pieces that today's NBA are moving toward. Wings that are athletic and can do lots of things. Add Ball to that and we got something. It's just one mans opinion.
The problem with your opinion is that we could easily satisfy it just by drafting Jackson at 2. There's no need to make it more complicated with trades, especially when you feel Russell and Ball are similar players. We would still get the "something" you desire by keeping Russell and drafting Jackson without the uncertainty that comes with Ball.
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Three guys I'm told the #Lakers like who could last until the 20s: Jonathan Jeanne, Harry Giles and Bam Adebayo.
lakers want that Athletic Big with legit Size.. Jeanne would need to put on some weight tho..
Yeah, all of the mocks have us going with mobile bigs as well.
I think the #2 discussion is painfully boring at this point. We're taking Ball, as we should, unless the Celtics do something crazy and leave Fultz on the board.
#28 is a very interesting proposition, as there's a number of really good players who could fall in that range. We've talked about:
PG Jawun Evans
PG Monte Morris
PG/SG Derrick White
SF/PF Semi Ojeleye
PF TJ Leaf
PF Jordan Bell
PF Kyle Kuzma
PF Thomas Bryant
PF/C Bam Adebayo
C Tony Bradley
C Jonathan Jeanne
How do people rank this group? Very hard to parse imo. _________________ substance over style
I think the #2 discussion is painfully boring at this point. We're taking Ball, as we should, unless the Celtics do something crazy and leave Fultz on the board.
#28 is a very interesting proposition, as there's a number of really good players who could fall in that range. We've talked about:
PG Jawun Evans
PG Monte Morris
PG/SG Derrick White
SF/PF Semi Ojeleye
PF TJ Leaf
PF Jordan Bell
PF Kyle Kuzma
PF Thomas Bryant
PF/C Bam Adebayo
C Tony Bradley
C Jonathan Jeanne
How do people rank this group? Very hard to parse imo.
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44TheLogo wrote:
As others have pointed out (fiendishoc in particular) though, Cranjis somewhat glosses over the fact that Lonzo lacks some of the fundamental skills needed to be effective in PnR in the NBA, namely the ability to pull up to punish bigs in either soft hedges, or to punish bigs on full switches beyond his standard step back 3s. E.G., if he's getting a pick going to his right and the defending big falls back into a soft hedge, is he able to pull up going to the right with his awkward low, left sided release, where it's easy to be contested by the trailing guard?
basically if i'm gameplanning, i say the following. if he gets a pick to his right, soft hedge and let the trailing guard block/contest the shot. If he gets a pick to his left, just full switch and tell the big to sit on a stepback three.
The bolded is what I'm concerned about if we draft Lonzo.
I've never seen a player be so elite in some areas and so completely deficient in others that are basic fundamental aspects of the game. It's crazy.
If we draft him, I'm going to hope for the best, but if we take JJ or Fox, I'll actually be relieved. I'm not worried about those guys becoming very good NBA players.
I feel like with Lonzo he's either going to be a true star, or he's going to bust.
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