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Who you got after Fultz?
Lonzo Ball
75%
 75%  [ 315 ]
Josh Jackson
15%
 15%  [ 64 ]
Jayson Tatum
1%
 1%  [ 8 ]
De'Aaron Fox
4%
 4%  [ 20 ]
Malik Monk
1%
 1%  [ 5 ]
Jonathan Isaac
0%
 0%  [ 4 ]
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 2:34 pm    Post subject:

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I'm intrigued by Josh Jackson.

I think a large part of Thomas' success in Boston is his backcourt mate, Bradley.
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I can't think of many weaknesses in Russell and Jackson backcourt. Jackson elevated 5'11" Frank Mason to player of the year. I'd love to see his impact on 6'5" Russell. He guards the best opposing player. He turns turnovers to dunks. He's an explosive lob target. He's the best playmaker in the draft. He creates for himself off the ball and off the dribble. He has an insane motor i.e. changed the form on his jump shot mid season. I know some of his success is due to the little things, like his teammates boxing out on his drives... but with the way he spoon-fed them all year they probably were eager to do it.


If the Lakers really liked Josh Jackson they will probably dangle there young players for a top 5 pick to pair him with Lonzo and Ingram.

Why would they do that? Why not just take Jackson. Why does eveything have to be a blow up or trade


I am ok with a trade as long as it is not Ingram or Russell if you could get a lotto pick without them I am all for it. I doubt you could do it high enough to get Jackson but issac is possible maybe
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 2:39 pm    Post subject:

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Do people like Anzejs Pasecniks? I like some video on him but reading some alarming things in his mid season scouting report on DX. I like the idea of him.


IDK if you heard my podcast with Mike Schmitz of DX, but he went into Pasecniks a bit.

Mike was pretty low on DLO.


He places a lot of value on mentality, which I do not, but I can see why you'd be low on a guy if that's really important to you.

I'll take the 21 year old who can put up 40 over the 19 year old who's a good kid but has a (bleep) of holes in his game.


i think generally judging a prospect on mentality is fool's gold where it's easy to project onto others, and it's especially ripe for personal biases

it's nearly impossible to tell from what we see anyway, we're not around these guys. so i will ignore mentality and look solely at the tape, unless there's hard evidence/data available of off the court stuff (crime, etc.)


What's on Draft went in depth on Monk in recent episode....just fyi.


if it's mostly just zwicker rehashing his tweets on monk i'll pass. i know cole's on board the monk mobile.
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 2:48 pm    Post subject:

44TheLogo wrote:
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justsomelakerfan wrote:
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Do people like Anzejs Pasecniks? I like some video on him but reading some alarming things in his mid season scouting report on DX. I like the idea of him.


IDK if you heard my podcast with Mike Schmitz of DX, but he went into Pasecniks a bit.

Mike was pretty low on DLO.


He places a lot of value on mentality, which I do not, but I can see why you'd be low on a guy if that's really important to you.

I'll take the 21 year old who can put up 40 over the 19 year old who's a good kid but has a (bleep) of holes in his game.


i think generally judging a prospect on mentality is fool's gold where it's easy to project onto others, and it's especially ripe for personal biases

it's nearly impossible to tell from what we see anyway, we're not around these guys. so i will ignore mentality and look solely at the tape, unless there's hard evidence/data available of off the court stuff (crime, etc.)


What's on Draft went in depth on Monk in recent episode....just fyi.


if it's mostly just zwicker rehashing his tweets on monk i'll pass. i know cole's on board the monk mobile.


I forget who was what....one was higher than the other.
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 3:24 pm    Post subject:

De'Aaron Fox Interview and Workout video from draft express came out on youtube recently

Edit: This is part 2 to a video which was released before on DX's channel.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e94-oV1CKl8


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Added Part one for those that may have not seen it.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9ibtZMtGhw
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 3:38 pm    Post subject:

Sacramento? .

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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 3:39 pm    Post subject:

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question for everyone:

should we be looking at isaac at #2? are we just "over it" because we feel like it'd be duplicative having Ingram already? or is he just not good enough to warrant consideration there? or is our timeline accelerated now that PG might be coming, and isaac would take too long developmentally?


No. Role player potential with nothing dynamic except for defense.

I still want a franchise player at #2.
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 3:40 pm    Post subject:

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And with the first pick in the 2017 NBA draft, the Boston Celtics select: Josh Jackson out of the University of Kansas.

And with the second pick in the 2017 NBA draft, the Los Angeles Lakers select:
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Markelle Fultz

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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 3:42 pm    Post subject:

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Is Lonzo Ball’s finishing efficiency at the basket for real?

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I don’t think Ball is a straight lead guard at the next level (if that wasn’t abundantly clear already), and this is the final straw in that calculus. Proficient modern lead guards have to be a threat to score at the next level and at multiple levels on the court. Ball does not project well to that role. His lack of wiggle and dribble moves with the ball hinders his ability to get to the rim at the college level, even with pristine spacing. That will only get more difficult against NBA lead guard athletes and athletic bigs who can switch and defend in space. Even when Ball got to the rim this past year, his lack of explosion in traffic, rigidity and uprightness as an inflexible athlete, inability to de-accelerate and lack of physicality finishing through contact were issues against far inferior competition than he will face at the basketball in the NBA.


https://fansided.com/2017/05/26/lonzo-ball-scouting-report-finishing/


Boy, it must upset people that I think if Lonzo was 230lbs., he would play 3.
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 3:43 pm    Post subject:

Mike do we have the #33 pick? I thought it was gone after we got a top 3 pick?

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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 3:44 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
44TheLogo wrote:
question for everyone:

should we be looking at isaac at #2? are we just "over it" because we feel like it'd be duplicative having Ingram already? or is he just not good enough to warrant consideration there? or is our timeline accelerated now that PG might be coming, and isaac would take too long developmentally?


No. Role player potential with nothing dynamic except for defense.

I still want a franchise player at #2.


Who do you think has the franchise player potential at 2?
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 3:44 pm    Post subject:

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Mike do we have the #33 pick I thought it was gone after we got a top 3 pick?


We have #2 and #28 only.
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 3:45 pm    Post subject:

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44TheLogo wrote:
question for everyone:

should we be looking at isaac at #2? are we just "over it" because we feel like it'd be duplicative having Ingram already? or is he just not good enough to warrant consideration there? or is our timeline accelerated now that PG might be coming, and isaac would take too long developmentally?


No. Role player potential with nothing dynamic except for defense.

I still want a franchise player at #2.


Who do you think has the franchise player potential at 2?


Ball and Tatum.

Ball is more of the gamble than Tatum is IMHO.
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Mike do we have the #33 pick I thought it was gone after we got a top 3 pick?


We have #2 and #28 only.


Thanks cause I saw the 33 pick next to your 28th pick and I thought we had it.


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Mike do we have the #33 pick I thought it was gone after we got a top 3 pick?


We have #2 and #28 only.


Thanks cause I saw the 33 pick next to our 28th pick and I thought we had it.


If we had #33, then awesome. My draft list is still intact.
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 3:53 pm    Post subject:

Fox has a shooting arc similar to DLo's
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 3:53 pm    Post subject:

It will be interesting to see how long it takes for Jackson to work on his defense since a lot of people seem to be banking on that.
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 3:55 pm    Post subject:

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Fox has a shooting arc similar to DLo's


DAR has the longer wingspan and quicker release. He barely puts his legs into a lot of his 3-pointers.

Fox is the opposite.
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 3:56 pm    Post subject:

Russell at the one and ball at the two with him handling the ball in transition is what I want if we draft him. That could be strong if we the guys we have deliver and we add talent.
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Russell at the one and ball at the two with him handling the ball in transition is what I want if we draft him. That could be strong if we the guys we have deliver and we add talent.


Which, kind of sabotages things a bit.

I thought we wanted DAR off-ball?
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Mike@LG wrote:
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Is Lonzo Ball’s finishing efficiency at the basket for real?

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I don’t think Ball is a straight lead guard at the next level (if that wasn’t abundantly clear already), and this is the final straw in that calculus. Proficient modern lead guards have to be a threat to score at the next level and at multiple levels on the court. Ball does not project well to that role. His lack of wiggle and dribble moves with the ball hinders his ability to get to the rim at the college level, even with pristine spacing. That will only get more difficult against NBA lead guard athletes and athletic bigs who can switch and defend in space. Even when Ball got to the rim this past year, his lack of explosion in traffic, rigidity and uprightness as an inflexible athlete, inability to de-accelerate and lack of physicality finishing through contact were issues against far inferior competition than he will face at the basketball in the NBA.


https://fansided.com/2017/05/26/lonzo-ball-scouting-report-finishing/


Boy, it must upset people that I think if Lonzo was 230lbs., he would play 3.


nah, think you only get called garbage and such if you do not consider him #1 or #2....so you should be ok. Btw, have you read Cole's last 3 articles on Ball? If so, where do you find fault with them?
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Fox has a shooting arc similar to DLo's


DAR has the longer wingspan and quicker release. He barely puts his legs into a lot of his 3-pointers.

Fox is the opposite.


The shooting motion looks identical.
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 4:03 pm    Post subject:

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Fox has a shooting arc similar to DLo's


DAR has the longer wingspan and quicker release. He barely puts his legs into a lot of his 3-pointers.

Fox is the opposite.


The shooting motion looks identical.


That part is. The way they go about it, is different.

Fox is much more reliant on his base/legs to get lift/arc into his jumpshot.

DAR could probably shoot from his toes.
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 4:04 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
adkindo wrote:
Is Lonzo Ball’s finishing efficiency at the basket for real?

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I don’t think Ball is a straight lead guard at the next level (if that wasn’t abundantly clear already), and this is the final straw in that calculus. Proficient modern lead guards have to be a threat to score at the next level and at multiple levels on the court. Ball does not project well to that role. His lack of wiggle and dribble moves with the ball hinders his ability to get to the rim at the college level, even with pristine spacing. That will only get more difficult against NBA lead guard athletes and athletic bigs who can switch and defend in space. Even when Ball got to the rim this past year, his lack of explosion in traffic, rigidity and uprightness as an inflexible athlete, inability to de-accelerate and lack of physicality finishing through contact were issues against far inferior competition than he will face at the basketball in the NBA.


https://fansided.com/2017/05/26/lonzo-ball-scouting-report-finishing/


Boy, it must upset people that I think if Lonzo was 230lbs., he would play 3.


nah, think you only get called garbage and such if you do not consider him #1 or #2....so you should be ok. Btw, have you read Cole's last 3 articles on Ball? If so, where do you find fault with them?


I don't. We talked about Lonzo back in February and basically all of my question marks, he's hashing out into pod/article form right now.

It's almost like, name a PG that wasn't a great POA, but made the All Star team?
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 4:07 pm    Post subject:

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Russell at the one and ball at the two with him handling the ball in transition is what I want if we draft him. That could be strong if we the guys we have deliver and we add talent.


Which, kind of sabotages things a bit.

I thought we wanted DAR off-ball?

I would expect him to get good opportunities off ball with our lineup in that scenario.
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 4:16 pm    Post subject:

Still feel DAR and Lonzo are both more 2 guards rather than a 1. Our defense would probably also be poor with that backcourt.

My dream: Jackson at 2, then trade Julius and if needed JC to Sacramento for 5 and get Fox for the point. We end up shoring up our defense and get to keep DAR off ball.
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