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Hero Ball
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Hero Ball wrote: | | I'd hate to say this but I think Bam gets taken in the lottery. No way he drops to 28. |
Most drafts I have like 2 prospects that I would really want in the late first.. This year I have 8. Draft is crazy deep. We'll be good |
I know. I have confidence in us after Nance Jr. and Zubac.
I'm also happy they invited Jordan Bell for a workout. We need to block some shots. |
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And anthony brown 
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Hero Ball
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| Chronicle wrote: | | And anthony brown |
For every Anthony Brown post there is a Jordan Clarkson post waiting. |
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| Hero Ball wrote: | | Chronicle wrote: | | And anthony brown |
For every Anthony Brown post there is a Jordan Clarkson post waiting. |
Darius Morris |
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Hero Ball
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| epak wrote: | | Hero Ball wrote: | | Chronicle wrote: | | And anthony brown |
For every Anthony Brown post there is a Jordan Clarkson post waiting. |
Darius Morris |
Who came out better than Morris lower his draft position?
Dont tell me I know. IT.
West wasn't here 2011 bro. |
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| Hero Ball wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Hero Ball wrote: | | Chronicle wrote: | | And anthony brown |
For every Anthony Brown post there is a Jordan Clarkson post waiting. |
Darius Morris |
Who came out better than Morris lower his draft position?
Dont tell me I know. IT.
West wasn't here 2011 bro. |
Oh nice of u to announce the criteria of the game after it's started.
Anyway, West was here as a scout since 2009.
Would you like to define the criteria? |
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Hero Ball
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 8:39 am Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | | Hero Ball wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Hero Ball wrote: | | Chronicle wrote: | | And anthony brown |
For every Anthony Brown post there is a Jordan Clarkson post waiting. |
Darius Morris |
Who came out better than Morris lower his draft position?
Dont tell me I know. IT.
West wasn't here 2011 bro. |
Oh nice of u to announce the criteria of the game after it's started.
Anyway, West was here as a scout since 2009.
Would you like to define the criteria? |
So you did your homework. Chill bro.
He could have been here 2009 but that doesn't mean he was in the same position presently. You are gonna cry over Isaiah Thomas? Please. |
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Hero Ball
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| And why in the hell does Ryan West don't have his wiki page? (bleep). |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | nash wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | Hero Ball wrote: | I am confident Lonzo will be the pick because we need a court general and 3 point shooting.
As of now, we only have DLo who is better off playing the 2 and Ennis. |
I do think that Lonzo will be the pick.
I'm just worried that he has a large range of potential outcomes, downside included. |
That can be said about any prospect.
I don't know if Ball is going to be the best player to select at #2 but at least I'm sure he is someone I actually enjoy watching.
We didn't win anything in the 90's bur that team was funny to watch something I can't really say about our current core. Julius and JC lack of IQ make me nervous, so does Dlo's careless turnovers and lack of aggression. |
I'll be more direct: I think that Lonzo's range of outcomes is more wide than the prospects being talked about (in his range) in this draft. He's just such an odd player. Will a low usage rate player be able to affect the game in the NBA similar to how he did in college? Will that funky shot (which I acknowledge flies through the air with a nice rotation) translate to the NBA, or will defenders get up on him on his left shoulder and force him to go right and by them?
I think he has both a lower floor and a lower ceiling that Jackson. Obviously, this is just opinion, and it's not fact. There's certainly a scenario where I could see Jackson not being a perimeter threat in the NBA and that would make him just a nice activity/role player, and a scenario where I could see Lonzo's form not being a hindrance to being a solid 3-point shooter and great passer.
One more thing I'll add is that I think Bolden is a lottery talent, the more I watch tape on him. Had he put up the stats he did from last season in Europe, but for UCLA in a second theoretical season there instead of in Europe, I think the kid is being talked about as a lottery pick. As long as you interview the guy and don't come away alarmed as to why he just didn't do that well at UCLA, to me, what he showed on tape last season should far supercede what transpired at UCLA. I already stated my belief that a lot of things can happen to young men at such a young age, from one year to the next. And there is absolutely no disputing the fact that the competition in the ABA is far better than what the Pac-12 has to offer.
I'm not even guaranteeing that Bolden ends up a really good NBA player. But what I am saying is that there's more of a chance that he does than the vast majority of players that are being mocked ahead of him. And he certainly has far more upside than virtually all of those guys. I mean, Ivan Rabb or Bolden...are you kidding me? |
I get your point.
Jackson with a jump shot is as good of a prospect as anyone, including Fultz. He is a Kawhi kind of two way prospect able to do it all, but shoot. |
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Hero Ball
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| nash wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | nash wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | Hero Ball wrote: | I am confident Lonzo will be the pick because we need a court general and 3 point shooting.
As of now, we only have DLo who is better off playing the 2 and Ennis. |
I do think that Lonzo will be the pick.
I'm just worried that he has a large range of potential outcomes, downside included. |
That can be said about any prospect.
I don't know if Ball is going to be the best player to select at #2 but at least I'm sure he is someone I actually enjoy watching.
We didn't win anything in the 90's bur that team was funny to watch something I can't really say about our current core. Julius and JC lack of IQ make me nervous, so does Dlo's careless turnovers and lack of aggression. |
I'll be more direct: I think that Lonzo's range of outcomes is more wide than the prospects being talked about (in his range) in this draft. He's just such an odd player. Will a low usage rate player be able to affect the game in the NBA similar to how he did in college? Will that funky shot (which I acknowledge flies through the air with a nice rotation) translate to the NBA, or will defenders get up on him on his left shoulder and force him to go right and by them?
I think he has both a lower floor and a lower ceiling that Jackson. Obviously, this is just opinion, and it's not fact. There's certainly a scenario where I could see Jackson not being a perimeter threat in the NBA and that would make him just a nice activity/role player, and a scenario where I could see Lonzo's form not being a hindrance to being a solid 3-point shooter and great passer.
One more thing I'll add is that I think Bolden is a lottery talent, the more I watch tape on him. Had he put up the stats he did from last season in Europe, but for UCLA in a second theoretical season there instead of in Europe, I think the kid is being talked about as a lottery pick. As long as you interview the guy and don't come away alarmed as to why he just didn't do that well at UCLA, to me, what he showed on tape last season should far supercede what transpired at UCLA. I already stated my belief that a lot of things can happen to young men at such a young age, from one year to the next. And there is absolutely no disputing the fact that the competition in the ABA is far better than what the Pac-12 has to offer.
I'm not even guaranteeing that Bolden ends up a really good NBA player. But what I am saying is that there's more of a chance that he does than the vast majority of players that are being mocked ahead of him. And he certainly has far more upside than virtually all of those guys. I mean, Ivan Rabb or Bolden...are you kidding me? |
I get your point.
Jackson with a jump shot is as good of a prospect as anyone, including Fultz. He is a Kawhi kind of two way prospect able to do it all, but shoot. |
I'd consider JJ if we didn't have BI and PG waiting in the wings.
This draft we fill our most urgent need, a point.
Lonzo is the most exciting, most unselfish and best shooting point guard prospect we can draft. |
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| Hero Ball wrote: | | nash wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | nash wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | Hero Ball wrote: | I am confident Lonzo will be the pick because we need a court general and 3 point shooting.
As of now, we only have DLo who is better off playing the 2 and Ennis. |
I do think that Lonzo will be the pick.
I'm just worried that he has a large range of potential outcomes, downside included. |
That can be said about any prospect.
I don't know if Ball is going to be the best player to select at #2 but at least I'm sure he is someone I actually enjoy watching.
We didn't win anything in the 90's bur that team was funny to watch something I can't really say about our current core. Julius and JC lack of IQ make me nervous, so does Dlo's careless turnovers and lack of aggression. |
I'll be more direct: I think that Lonzo's range of outcomes is more wide than the prospects being talked about (in his range) in this draft. He's just such an odd player. Will a low usage rate player be able to affect the game in the NBA similar to how he did in college? Will that funky shot (which I acknowledge flies through the air with a nice rotation) translate to the NBA, or will defenders get up on him on his left shoulder and force him to go right and by them?
I think he has both a lower floor and a lower ceiling that Jackson. Obviously, this is just opinion, and it's not fact. There's certainly a scenario where I could see Jackson not being a perimeter threat in the NBA and that would make him just a nice activity/role player, and a scenario where I could see Lonzo's form not being a hindrance to being a solid 3-point shooter and great passer.
One more thing I'll add is that I think Bolden is a lottery talent, the more I watch tape on him. Had he put up the stats he did from last season in Europe, but for UCLA in a second theoretical season there instead of in Europe, I think the kid is being talked about as a lottery pick. As long as you interview the guy and don't come away alarmed as to why he just didn't do that well at UCLA, to me, what he showed on tape last season should far supercede what transpired at UCLA. I already stated my belief that a lot of things can happen to young men at such a young age, from one year to the next. And there is absolutely no disputing the fact that the competition in the ABA is far better than what the Pac-12 has to offer.
I'm not even guaranteeing that Bolden ends up a really good NBA player. But what I am saying is that there's more of a chance that he does than the vast majority of players that are being mocked ahead of him. And he certainly has far more upside than virtually all of those guys. I mean, Ivan Rabb or Bolden...are you kidding me? |
I get your point.
Jackson with a jump shot is as good of a prospect as anyone, including Fultz. He is a Kawhi kind of two way prospect able to do it all, but shoot. |
I'd consider JJ if we didn't have BI and PG waiting in the wings.
This draft we fill our most urgent need, a point.
Lonzo is the most exciting, most unselfish and best shooting point guard prospect we can draft. |
his game has more holes in it than aged swiss cheese.....especially as a PG, but I assume he will play more off ball where he fits better. |
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I know it's probably been discussed a lot, but would you guys be open to trading number 2 for No 5 and No 10? And pick up two really good players.
Fox AND Monk?
Issac AND Dennis Smith Jr. etc?
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| Go4thaGold wrote: | I know it's probably been discussed a lot, but would you guys be open to trading number 2 for No 5 and No 10? And pick up to really good players.
Fox AND Monk?
Issac AND Dennis Smith Jr. etc? |
doubt any of those guys are on the board @ #10 |
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| adkindo wrote: | | Go4thaGold wrote: | I know it's probably been discussed a lot, but would you guys be open to trading number 2 for No 5 and No 10? And pick up to really good players.
Fox AND Monk?
Issac AND Dennis Smith Jr. etc? |
doubt any of those guys are on the board @ #10 |
Someone always slips though, right?
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| Hero Ball wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Hero Ball wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Hero Ball wrote: | | Chronicle wrote: | | And anthony brown |
For every Anthony Brown post there is a Jordan Clarkson post waiting. |
Darius Morris |
Who came out better than Morris lower his draft position?
Dont tell me I know. IT.
West wasn't here 2011 bro. |
Oh nice of u to announce the criteria of the game after it's started.
Anyway, West was here as a scout since 2009.
Would you like to define the criteria? |
So you did your homework. Chill bro.
He could have been here 2009 but that doesn't mean he was in the same position presently. You are gonna cry over Isaiah Thomas? Please. |
Again, not sure what your criteria is, so not sure what this has to do with IT. You simply said for every AB u can name a JC.
So I just continued the game.
You know... like
Chinemelu Elonu, Devin Ebanks, Derrick Caracter, Goudelock, Chukwudiebere Maduabum, Ater Majok, Rober Sacre, Ryan Kelly.
Fun game. Let's play another one. If you wanna say, for every AB you can name a JC but only from 2014, then you win. Game over. |
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| adkindo wrote: | | Hero Ball wrote: | | nash wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | nash wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | Hero Ball wrote: | I am confident Lonzo will be the pick because we need a court general and 3 point shooting.
As of now, we only have DLo who is better off playing the 2 and Ennis. |
I do think that Lonzo will be the pick.
I'm just worried that he has a large range of potential outcomes, downside included. |
That can be said about any prospect.
I don't know if Ball is going to be the best player to select at #2 but at least I'm sure he is someone I actually enjoy watching.
We didn't win anything in the 90's bur that team was funny to watch something I can't really say about our current core. Julius and JC lack of IQ make me nervous, so does Dlo's careless turnovers and lack of aggression. |
I'll be more direct: I think that Lonzo's range of outcomes is more wide than the prospects being talked about (in his range) in this draft. He's just such an odd player. Will a low usage rate player be able to affect the game in the NBA similar to how he did in college? Will that funky shot (which I acknowledge flies through the air with a nice rotation) translate to the NBA, or will defenders get up on him on his left shoulder and force him to go right and by them?
I think he has both a lower floor and a lower ceiling that Jackson. Obviously, this is just opinion, and it's not fact. There's certainly a scenario where I could see Jackson not being a perimeter threat in the NBA and that would make him just a nice activity/role player, and a scenario where I could see Lonzo's form not being a hindrance to being a solid 3-point shooter and great passer.
One more thing I'll add is that I think Bolden is a lottery talent, the more I watch tape on him. Had he put up the stats he did from last season in Europe, but for UCLA in a second theoretical season there instead of in Europe, I think the kid is being talked about as a lottery pick. As long as you interview the guy and don't come away alarmed as to why he just didn't do that well at UCLA, to me, what he showed on tape last season should far supercede what transpired at UCLA. I already stated my belief that a lot of things can happen to young men at such a young age, from one year to the next. And there is absolutely no disputing the fact that the competition in the ABA is far better than what the Pac-12 has to offer.
I'm not even guaranteeing that Bolden ends up a really good NBA player. But what I am saying is that there's more of a chance that he does than the vast majority of players that are being mocked ahead of him. And he certainly has far more upside than virtually all of those guys. I mean, Ivan Rabb or Bolden...are you kidding me? |
I get your point.
Jackson with a jump shot is as good of a prospect as anyone, including Fultz. He is a Kawhi kind of two way prospect able to do it all, but shoot. |
I'd consider JJ if we didn't have BI and PG waiting in the wings.
This draft we fill our most urgent need, a point.
Lonzo is the most exciting, most unselfish and best shooting point guard prospect we can draft. |
his game has more holes in it than aged swiss cheese.....especially as a PG, but I assume he will play more off ball where he fits better. |
That's a very cheesy comment and I'm not gonna get baited into a mouse trap. Which player is complete at age 19?
Is he a proven pass first PG? Check.
Does he have an NBA range and above average %? Check.
Does he have length and foot speed to play decent defense? Check.
Does he finish strong to the basket? Check.
Does he shoot FT well? Check.
Can he run the fast paced game?Check.
Is he mature for his age? Check.
Can he excel in a passing game? Check.
Does he have the hops to rebound? Check.
Is he fine not playing the Alpha Dog? Check.
Can he bring in the crowds and rally them? Check.
Can he gain more muscle? Lavar says check. |
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| epak wrote: | | Hero Ball wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Hero Ball wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Hero Ball wrote: | | Chronicle wrote: | | And anthony brown |
For every Anthony Brown post there is a Jordan Clarkson post waiting. |
Darius Morris |
Who came out better than Morris lower his draft position?
Dont tell me I know. IT.
West wasn't here 2011 bro. |
Oh nice of u to announce the criteria of the game after it's started.
Anyway, West was here as a scout since 2009.
Would you like to define the criteria? |
So you did your homework. Chill bro.
He could have been here 2009 but that doesn't mean he was in the same position presently. You are gonna cry over Isaiah Thomas? Please. |
Again, not sure what your criteria is, so not sure what this has to do with IT. You simply said for every AB u can name a JC.
So I just continued the game.
You know... like
Chinemelu Elonu, Devin Ebanks, Derrick Caracter, Goudelock, Chukwudiebere Maduabum, Ater Majok, Rober Sacre, Ryan Kelly.
Fun game. Let's play another one. If you wanna say, for every AB you can name a JC but only from 2014, then you win. Game over. |
You are the one who brought up D. Morris. What did you mean by that? Did you mean he was a bad pickup? So I ask you who was better than him drafted lower. Obvious answer is IT. I don't get what your game is but everyone but the Kings missed IT. Doesn't mean they are geniuses. |
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| Hero Ball wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | Hero Ball wrote: | | nash wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | nash wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | Hero Ball wrote: | I am confident Lonzo will be the pick because we need a court general and 3 point shooting.
As of now, we only have DLo who is better off playing the 2 and Ennis. |
I do think that Lonzo will be the pick.
I'm just worried that he has a large range of potential outcomes, downside included. |
That can be said about any prospect.
I don't know if Ball is going to be the best player to select at #2 but at least I'm sure he is someone I actually enjoy watching.
We didn't win anything in the 90's bur that team was funny to watch something I can't really say about our current core. Julius and JC lack of IQ make me nervous, so does Dlo's careless turnovers and lack of aggression. |
I'll be more direct: I think that Lonzo's range of outcomes is more wide than the prospects being talked about (in his range) in this draft. He's just such an odd player. Will a low usage rate player be able to affect the game in the NBA similar to how he did in college? Will that funky shot (which I acknowledge flies through the air with a nice rotation) translate to the NBA, or will defenders get up on him on his left shoulder and force him to go right and by them?
I think he has both a lower floor and a lower ceiling that Jackson. Obviously, this is just opinion, and it's not fact. There's certainly a scenario where I could see Jackson not being a perimeter threat in the NBA and that would make him just a nice activity/role player, and a scenario where I could see Lonzo's form not being a hindrance to being a solid 3-point shooter and great passer.
One more thing I'll add is that I think Bolden is a lottery talent, the more I watch tape on him. Had he put up the stats he did from last season in Europe, but for UCLA in a second theoretical season there instead of in Europe, I think the kid is being talked about as a lottery pick. As long as you interview the guy and don't come away alarmed as to why he just didn't do that well at UCLA, to me, what he showed on tape last season should far supercede what transpired at UCLA. I already stated my belief that a lot of things can happen to young men at such a young age, from one year to the next. And there is absolutely no disputing the fact that the competition in the ABA is far better than what the Pac-12 has to offer.
I'm not even guaranteeing that Bolden ends up a really good NBA player. But what I am saying is that there's more of a chance that he does than the vast majority of players that are being mocked ahead of him. And he certainly has far more upside than virtually all of those guys. I mean, Ivan Rabb or Bolden...are you kidding me? |
I get your point.
Jackson with a jump shot is as good of a prospect as anyone, including Fultz. He is a Kawhi kind of two way prospect able to do it all, but shoot. |
I'd consider JJ if we didn't have BI and PG waiting in the wings.
This draft we fill our most urgent need, a point.
Lonzo is the most exciting, most unselfish and best shooting point guard prospect we can draft. |
his game has more holes in it than aged swiss cheese.....especially as a PG, but I assume he will play more off ball where he fits better. |
That's a very cheesy comment and I'm not gonna get baited into a mouse trap. Which player is complete at age 19?
Is he a proven pass first PG? not really in the half court
Does he have an NBA range and above average %? Check.
Does he have length and foot speed to play decent defense? maybe average someday, but has poor hip flexibility which will limit him
Does he finish strong to the basket? absolutely not....most of his finishes were uncontested....and he avoids contact at all cost
Does he shoot FT well? Absolutely not....67%
Can he run the fast paced game? Check.
Is he mature for his age? Who knows....his frame is not.
Can he excel in a passing game? Check.
Does he have the hops to rebound? Check.
Is he fine not playing the Alpha Dog? his limitations prevent him from being an Alpha Dog
Can he bring in the crowds and rally them? LA sells out every game without him
Can he gain more muscle? limited...has a frail frame |
Can he beat his man off the dribble? No
Can he shoot going to his right? No
Does he have a good midrange game? No
Does he have a floater game? No
Does he have good body control and flexibility at the rim? No
Can he create his own offense off the dribble while defended? No
Does he die on every screen? Absolutely |
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| adkindo wrote: | | Hero Ball wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | Hero Ball wrote: | | nash wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | nash wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | Hero Ball wrote: | I am confident Lonzo will be the pick because we need a court general and 3 point shooting.
As of now, we only have DLo who is better off playing the 2 and Ennis. |
I do think that Lonzo will be the pick.
I'm just worried that he has a large range of potential outcomes, downside included. |
That can be said about any prospect.
I don't know if Ball is going to be the best player to select at #2 but at least I'm sure he is someone I actually enjoy watching.
We didn't win anything in the 90's bur that team was funny to watch something I can't really say about our current core. Julius and JC lack of IQ make me nervous, so does Dlo's careless turnovers and lack of aggression. |
I'll be more direct: I think that Lonzo's range of outcomes is more wide than the prospects being talked about (in his range) in this draft. He's just such an odd player. Will a low usage rate player be able to affect the game in the NBA similar to how he did in college? Will that funky shot (which I acknowledge flies through the air with a nice rotation) translate to the NBA, or will defenders get up on him on his left shoulder and force him to go right and by them?
I think he has both a lower floor and a lower ceiling that Jackson. Obviously, this is just opinion, and it's not fact. There's certainly a scenario where I could see Jackson not being a perimeter threat in the NBA and that would make him just a nice activity/role player, and a scenario where I could see Lonzo's form not being a hindrance to being a solid 3-point shooter and great passer.
One more thing I'll add is that I think Bolden is a lottery talent, the more I watch tape on him. Had he put up the stats he did from last season in Europe, but for UCLA in a second theoretical season there instead of in Europe, I think the kid is being talked about as a lottery pick. As long as you interview the guy and don't come away alarmed as to why he just didn't do that well at UCLA, to me, what he showed on tape last season should far supercede what transpired at UCLA. I already stated my belief that a lot of things can happen to young men at such a young age, from one year to the next. And there is absolutely no disputing the fact that the competition in the ABA is far better than what the Pac-12 has to offer.
I'm not even guaranteeing that Bolden ends up a really good NBA player. But what I am saying is that there's more of a chance that he does than the vast majority of players that are being mocked ahead of him. And he certainly has far more upside than virtually all of those guys. I mean, Ivan Rabb or Bolden...are you kidding me? |
I get your point.
Jackson with a jump shot is as good of a prospect as anyone, including Fultz. He is a Kawhi kind of two way prospect able to do it all, but shoot. |
I'd consider JJ if we didn't have BI and PG waiting in the wings.
This draft we fill our most urgent need, a point.
Lonzo is the most exciting, most unselfish and best shooting point guard prospect we can draft. |
his game has more holes in it than aged swiss cheese.....especially as a PG, but I assume he will play more off ball where he fits better. |
That's a very cheesy comment and I'm not gonna get baited into a mouse trap. Which player is complete at age 19?
Is he a proven pass first PG? not really in the half court
Does he have an NBA range and above average %? Check.
Does he have length and foot speed to play decent defense? maybe average someday, but has poor hip flexibility which will limit him
Does he finish strong to the basket? absolutely not....most of his finishes were uncontested....and he avoids contact at all cost
Does he shoot FT well? Absolutely not....67%
Can he run the fast paced game? Check.
Is he mature for his age? Who knows....his frame is not.
Can he excel in a passing game? Check.
Does he have the hops to rebound? Check.
Is he fine not playing the Alpha Dog? his limitations prevent him from being an Alpha Dog
Can he bring in the crowds and rally them? LA sells out every game without him
Can he gain more muscle? limited...has a frail frame |
Can he beat his man off the dribble? No
Can he shoot going to his right? No
Does he have a good midrange game? No
Does he have a floater game? No
Does he have good body control and flexibility at the rim? No
Can he create his own offense off the dribble while defended? No
Does he die on every screen? Absolutely |
Like I said no one is complete at age 19.
Name someone in draft who is. |
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Klay, Monk, G.Harris, D. Green, Derozen, Bazemore, Bradley, J. Richardson, Shump, Reddick, Cj Miles, Hield, Wes Mathews, KCP, Belleneli, Lavine at same age(not close)
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None of these guys are great playmakers. They too, have rudimentary ball-handling when attacking the hoop. Most of these guys are 3 and D. |
Nick Young, Dipo(at same age), Beverly, Solomon Hill, Fournier(debatable maybe now, but at same age), Beal(at same age), Luwawu/Stauskas
That's 23 starting or projected starting SGs. So by definition/numbers he has an above (or way abv) average handle for a SG his age
There are different interpretations of what a classifies a handle in a position
Honestly, the same part of a handle that you laud for Nick Young - you condemn Lonzo for. Young has also been mostly a step back ball handling move, into a jump shot, type ball handler (especially after what, year 2 in his career), and Nick wasn't even doing that as a Freshman in college.
Despite Lonzo not often pulling out a variety of moves - there were a handful of times that he did... And none of the listed guys above, did that once at the same age. Even Lonzo's main crossover is still an above avg move for a freshman SG. He just didn't drive a lot, but I don't think he drove a below average amount for a freshman SG - and factor in Lonzo collapsing the defense driving in transition. |
I disagree with that, because he chose, often, for the step back 3 pointer after a PnR switch. I understand it when it's Nick Young, because he's a scorer and his step back is his go-to jumper. But when it's Lonzo and playmaking is your thing? Flag.
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Have the Lakers been bringing in any of the guys for workouts yet?
I will be very interested to see how these guys all measure and test in an official, unbiased setting.
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| LakerLanny wrote: | Have the Lakers been bringing in any of the guys for workouts yet?
I will be very interested to see how these guys all measure and test in an official, unbiased setting. |
https://twitter.com/Lakers They're working out already. |
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This notion that he doesn't like to shoot going right holds true for most right-handed shooters. They naturally like to shoot going left. I've actually seen him do fine on catch and shoot jumpers going right. I'm not as concerned about that or his mid-range game.
What he needs to improve on is his handle and drawing fouls. Maybe the 67% at the FT line has something to do with that. |
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| LakerLogic wrote: | Magic, Kidd, and Stockton never had "shake" either. He is efficient with his handle. Sure I'd like him to have Kobe's ball-handling but that is not always the most efficient for the offense.
I think he will improve but he will never be like the Professor. |
1. Magic didn't need shake. PGs were even smaller back then, and Magic had a 56.5% FTr out of Michigan St.
2. Kidd was a different tier athlete. Attacked the basket often. 48%FTr
3. John Stockton was a pick and roll maestro. Lonzo Ball, currently, is not. Despite being considerably smaller, he was physical for a PG. 47%FTr.
Lonzo Ball is a guy that loves transition and likes playing in space. That's where his game thrives. He doesn't really bump guys when he drives. He doesn't have a great first step but has a high top speed, so he needs to go downhill to be aggressive at the hoop.
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| THE GOODS wrote: | Any takes on D.J. Wilson as a possible candidate at #28? Mike? Jorker?
I see a lot posters wanting a stretch 4. I know he lacks physicality, but he's got good range, seems to move well enough on the perimeter to close out on shooters and he's got the wingspan 7-3 to bother shots in the paint. His rebound rate is terrible, but we've already got big guys who can do that. Assuming we take Ball at #2. do you think he can fit well with our team?
I'm still on the Bell bandwagon but I was intrigued by Wilson's game, just wanted to hear some thoughts on him as a player. |
I'm not a fan, only because he's a late bloomer that only got on the map because of a couple of tourney games and the idea that he's a perfect PF archetype.
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