2017 Lakers Draft Discussion Thread ** DRAFT DAY** (2: Ball, 27: Kuzma, 30: Hart and 42: Bryant )
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Who you got after Fultz?
Lonzo Ball
75%
 75%  [ 315 ]
Josh Jackson
15%
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Jayson Tatum
1%
 1%  [ 8 ]
De'Aaron Fox
4%
 4%  [ 20 ]
Malik Monk
1%
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Jonathan Isaac
0%
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:18 pm    Post subject:

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I'm ecstatic about Hart. Hate to make this comparison, but... its not crazy to project him as a Fisher to Ball's Kobe, but with better defense. He has the toughness, leadership, defense and shooting this team needs. Love Hart and I think he'll make an impact from day 1. He's a culture changer.

I don't about Kuzma. He looks like he has nice shot, is decently athletic and has some versatility as a 3/4 (although will probably play a lot of 4). Just hope he's not Yi Jianlin (which was another allegedly versatile big man with a jumper that looked much better in his workouts than his play on the floor suggested). We'll see, but he has a very Nance like feel to him (i.e. less hype, older player who developed late from one of the second tier programs).

Bryant I think was a wasted pick. I see the length, his ability to shoot and that, apparently, the advance stats favor him. However, he looks slow laterally. If he can't guard the pick/roll at the NBA level, he's not going to be any better than a third string big on a good team. Hernstein (or however you spell his name) was worth a shot at that point. Still, can't complain too much since that was a pick we didn't have at the beginning of the day, so he's worth a shot. In past years, he would be a risk of not making the team, but because the NBA has expanded rosters to 17 players, he'll probably get his chance and spend most of the season in the G league this year.


So I know everyone wants a big that can defend PnR. What people don't understand is, how tough it is to get a 2-way player that can do that, especially down into the late 1st.

Like, I don't really understand how people can be so disappointed in Thomas Bryant, who clearly has a lot of physical upside, played his soph year at age 19, has motor, and a 9'4.5" standing reach, and was already working on his lateral movement during PreDraft camp with eye-test improvement.

Let me rephrase that.
We drafted a 19 year old kid with great physical tools, motor, experience, who plays tough in the paint and shoots 38% behind the arc, in the 2nd round.

Trust me. Bynum NEVER looked that good at his age.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:20 pm    Post subject:

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I'm ecstatic about Hart. Hate to make this comparison, but... its not crazy to project him as a Fisher to Ball's Kobe, but with better defense. He has the toughness, leadership, defense and shooting this team needs. Love Hart and I think he'll make an impact from day 1. He's a culture changer.

I don't about Kuzma. He looks like he has nice shot, is decently athletic and has some versatility as a 3/4 (although will probably play a lot of 4). Just hope he's not Yi Jianlin (which was another allegedly versatile big man with a jumper that looked much better in his workouts than his play on the floor suggested). We'll see, but he has a very Nance like feel to him (i.e. less hype, older player who developed late from one of the second tier programs).

Bryant I think was a wasted pick. I see the length, his ability to shoot and that, apparently, the advance stats favor him. However, he looks slow laterally. If he can't guard the pick/roll at the NBA level, he's not going to be any better than a third string big on a good team. Hernstein (or however you spell his name) was worth a shot at that point. Still, can't complain too much since that was a pick we didn't have at the beginning of the day, so he's worth a shot. In past years, he would be a risk of not making the team, but because the NBA has expanded rosters to 17 players, he'll probably get his chance and spend most of the season in the G league this year.


So I know everyone wants a big that can defend PnR. What people don't understand is, how tough it is to get a 2-way player that can do that, especially down into the late 1st.

Like, I don't really understand how people can be so disappointed in Thomas Bryant, who clearly has a lot of physical upside, played his soph year at age 19, has motor, and a 9'4.5" standing reach, and was already working on his lateral movement during PreDraft camp with eye-test improvement.

Let me rephrase that.
We drafted a 19 year old kid with great physical tools, motor, experience, who plays tough in the paint and shoots 38% behind the arc, in the 2nd round.

Trust me. Bynum NEVER looked that good at his age.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:20 pm    Post subject:

7'6 9'4 ,3pt shot, just gotta dedicate his life to improving his feet. lol. Good risk at 42
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:20 pm    Post subject:

Kevin Pelton, ESPN wrote:
Best-rated draft

1. Los Angeles Lakers (plus-1.8 WARP)

It's just one night, but this looks like a great first draft for the new Lakers front office helmed by Magic Johnson and Rob Pelinka.

The Lakers got off to a strong start by taking the top prospect in my projections, Lonzo Ball (plus-1.2 wins above replacement player), with the No. 2 overall pick. Ball's projection is so strong he actually had the highest value over expectation of anyone in the draft.

Yet the Lakers didn't stop there. While No. 27 pick Kyle Kuzma (minus-0.7) did not rate well by my model, the Lakers did well to turn the 28th pick into two players who did. At No. 30, the Lakers got what I rated the night's fourth-best value with Josh Hart (plus-0.8), and the 42nd pick yielded Thomas Bryant (plus-0.5).


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7'6 9'4 ,3pt shot, just gotta dedicate his life to improving his feet. lol. Good risk at 42


Bynum never improved his feet.

If we just stand back and look at Thomas Bryant, those attributes would have been typical of a lottery player.
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Kevin Pelton, ESPN wrote:
Best-rated draft

1. Los Angeles Lakers (plus-1.8 WARP)

It's just one night, but this looks like a great first draft for the new Lakers front office helmed by Magic Johnson and Rob Pelinka.

The Lakers got off to a strong start by taking the top prospect in my projections, Lonzo Ball (plus-1.2 wins above replacement player), with the No. 2 overall pick. Ball's projection is so strong he actually had the highest value over expectation of anyone in the draft.

Yet the Lakers didn't stop there. While No. 27 pick Kyle Kuzma (minus-0.7) did not rate well by my model, the Lakers did well to turn the 28th pick into two players who did. At No. 30, the Lakers got what I rated the night's fourth-best value with Josh Hart (plus-0.8), and the 42nd pick yielded Thomas Bryant (plus-0.5).


http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/19701287/best-worst-2017-nba-draft-picks-kevin-pelton-boston-celtics-los-angeles-lakers-more


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:23 pm    Post subject:

LakerSanity wrote:
Kevin Pelton, ESPN wrote:
Best-rated draft

1. Los Angeles Lakers (plus-1.8 WARP)

It's just one night, but this looks like a great first draft for the new Lakers front office helmed by Magic Johnson and Rob Pelinka.

The Lakers got off to a strong start by taking the top prospect in my projections, Lonzo Ball (plus-1.2 wins above replacement player), with the No. 2 overall pick. Ball's projection is so strong he actually had the highest value over expectation of anyone in the draft.

Yet the Lakers didn't stop there. While No. 27 pick Kyle Kuzma (minus-0.7) did not rate well by my model, the Lakers did well to turn the 28th pick into two players who did. At No. 30, the Lakers got what I rated the night's fourth-best value with Josh Hart (plus-0.8), and the 42nd pick yielded Thomas Bryant (plus-0.5).


http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/19701287/best-worst-2017-nba-draft-picks-kevin-pelton-boston-celtics-los-angeles-lakers-more


I mean, this is the most A+ draft since the 90s in terms of what was learned of each player, and who was taken at each draft position.

People can argue Jordan Bell, Jawun Evans, Derrick White, etc., but they all have weaknesses of their own too.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:25 pm    Post subject:

Mike.. I know its tough to get that guy, and I know its even tougher to get that guy at 42. That's why maybe you go for a different type of player like Herenstein who is a guy with potentially even higher upside but huge risk potential. Still, I put Bryant in that same category, so, like I said,, I'm okay with the pick because (a) we didn't have a 42nd pick when the day started and (b) I'm not sure there were other players I would have preferred. I think I am guilty of a little hyperbole when I say it was a wasted pick.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:27 pm    Post subject:

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Mike.. I know its tough to get that guy, and I know its even tougher to get that guy at 42. That's why maybe you go for a different type of player like Herenstein who is a guy with potentially even higher upside but huge risk potential. Still, I put Bryant in that same category, so, like I said,, I'm okay with the pick because (a) we didn't have a 42nd pick when the day started and (b) I'm not sure there were other players I would have preferred. I think I am guilty of a little hyperbole when I say it was a wasted pick.


So, just from observation. Guys with back injury history or knee history, not only have shortened careers, but are far less likely to even fulfill their upside because the body can't handle the additional work.

I love Hartenstein's skill set. But if he's having issues with a European schedule, he'll struggle with 20mpg early on unless he has some amazing treatment.

The fact that the health issues superseded his other intangibles issues is why I was okay with him slipping.
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^I wanted Hartenstien too, but he got red flagged for a back issue. I think we view Byrant as a domestic draft/stash..GLeague, if he improves, it'll be a surprise and cherry on top. Supposedly he's been improving his mobility this summer in a Myles Turner fashion(although Turner was always a great leaper)


If we're not talking about some career-ending condition, I'd have taken the chance. What if he can't play over 20mpg and is retired by the age 30? Well, it's much more than the average 2nd rounder.

Edit: wrote about 20mpg and short career before reading Mike's comments. He's got a point about reaching his potential. But, unless we know what's the problem, it's all speculation.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:28 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
7'6 9'4 ,3pt shot, just gotta dedicate his life to improving his feet. lol. Good risk at 42


Bynum never improved his feet.

If we just stand back and look at Thomas Bryant, those attributes would have been typical of a lottery player.


I'm super excited about TB's potential. His length is the only thing that reminds me of AB17, but he seems to actually love the game. In the end, that's what tainted Bynum's career. I don't think he loved the game. Played basketball because he was big and good at it and it paid well. Ironically, yesterday morning a buddy of mine at the office is a big IU guy and he was extolling the virtues of both Indiana kids. Very high on him.
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Mike@LG wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
7'6 9'4 ,3pt shot, just gotta dedicate his life to improving his feet. lol. Good risk at 42


Bynum never improved his feet.

If we just stand back and look at Thomas Bryant, those attributes would have been typical of a lottery player.


I'm super excited about TB's potential. His length is the only thing that reminds me of AB17, but he seems to actually love the game. In the end, that's what tainted Bynum's career. I don't think he loved the game. Played basketball because he was big and good at it and it paid well. Ironically, yesterday morning a buddy of mine at the office is a big IU guy and he was extolling the virtues of both Indiana kids. Very high on him.


I think Bynum loved the game for awhile. I also think the Lakers burned him out on work ethic. I'm not surprised.
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KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
7'6 9'4 ,3pt shot, just gotta dedicate his life to improving his feet. lol. Good risk at 42


Bynum never improved his feet.

If we just stand back and look at Thomas Bryant, those attributes would have been typical of a lottery player.


Feet/P&R/3pt are even more important today, than they were 7 years ago though..
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:31 pm    Post subject:

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Mike.. I know its tough to get that guy, and I know its even tougher to get that guy at 42. That's why maybe you go for a different type of player like Herenstein who is a guy with potentially even higher upside but huge risk potential. Still, I put Bryant in that same category, so, like I said,, I'm okay with the pick because (a) we didn't have a 42nd pick when the day started and (b) I'm not sure there were other players I would have preferred. I think I am guilty of a little hyperbole when I say it was a wasted pick.


So, just from observation. Guys with back injury history or knee history, not only have shortened careers, but are far less likely to even fulfill their upside because the body can't handle the additional work.

I love Hartenstein's skill set. But if he's having issues with a European schedule, he'll struggle with 20mpg early on unless he has some amazing treatment.

The fact that the health issues superseded his other intangibles issues is why I was okay with him slipping.


Ok, but Josh Hart tho....
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Mike@LG wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
7'6 9'4 ,3pt shot, just gotta dedicate his life to improving his feet. lol. Good risk at 42


Bynum never improved his feet.

If we just stand back and look at Thomas Bryant, those attributes would have been typical of a lottery player.


Glad you are back MikeLG....

Lets do this, what a draft...
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Mike.. I know its tough to get that guy, and I know its even tougher to get that guy at 42. That's why maybe you go for a different type of player like Herenstein who is a guy with potentially even higher upside but huge risk potential. Still, I put Bryant in that same category, so, like I said,, I'm okay with the pick because (a) we didn't have a 42nd pick when the day started and (b) I'm not sure there were other players I would have preferred. I think I am guilty of a little hyperbole when I say it was a wasted pick.


So, just from observation. Guys with back injury history or knee history, not only have shortened careers, but are far less likely to even fulfill their upside because the body can't handle the additional work.

I love Hartenstein's skill set. But if he's having issues with a European schedule, he'll struggle with 20mpg early on unless he has some amazing treatment.

The fact that the health issues superseded his other intangibles issues is why I was okay with him slipping.


Ok, but Josh Hart tho....


The Lakers technically drafted 3 of 4 guys on my draft list that I've had since March and even took off Kuzma's name off the list on Wednesday.

I'm even terrible at mock drafts so with the first three picks, it's like I "Typed it into existence."
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Kevin Pelton, ESPN wrote:
Best-rated draft

1. Los Angeles Lakers (plus-1.8 WARP)

It's just one night, but this looks like a great first draft for the new Lakers front office helmed by Magic Johnson and Rob Pelinka.

The Lakers got off to a strong start by taking the top prospect in my projections, Lonzo Ball (plus-1.2 wins above replacement player), with the No. 2 overall pick. Ball's projection is so strong he actually had the highest value over expectation of anyone in the draft.

Yet the Lakers didn't stop there. While No. 27 pick Kyle Kuzma (minus-0.7) did not rate well by my model, the Lakers did well to turn the 28th pick into two players who did. At No. 30, the Lakers got what I rated the night's fourth-best value with Josh Hart (plus-0.8), and the 42nd pick yielded Thomas Bryant (plus-0.5).


http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/19701287/best-worst-2017-nba-draft-picks-kevin-pelton-boston-celtics-los-angeles-lakers-more


Pelton angling for the Lakers analytics job.
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Mike@LG wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
7'6 9'4 ,3pt shot, just gotta dedicate his life to improving his feet. lol. Good risk at 42


Bynum never improved his feet.

If we just stand back and look at Thomas Bryant, those attributes would have been typical of a lottery player.


Glad you are back MikeLG....

Lets do this, what a draft...


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Mike@LG wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
7'6 9'4 ,3pt shot, just gotta dedicate his life to improving his feet. lol. Good risk at 42


Bynum never improved his feet.

If we just stand back and look at Thomas Bryant, those attributes would have been typical of a lottery player.


Feet/P&R/3pt are even more important today, than they were 7 years ago though..


Right, and it's also a rare skill to get. I mean, how many bigs in this draft were capable?

Bell
Zach Collins

You can debate SF/PF Jonathan Isaac, Anunoby, Ojeleye, Bam, but most people here and on Laker twitter didn't even want Ojeleye so

If the Lakers got Ojeleye, we get our PF switch defender and people would say, "But he can't swat" or "He can't protect the paint"... whatever other weakness he has defensively.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:37 pm    Post subject:

Love the draft. Wanted Hart in the 2nd last year, but he didn't come out.

Mike, can he come in right away and take the starting SG spot, assuming the team is as it is today?
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Seriously, that will be so interesting to watch if all the draft guys play with all our second year guys.

Really interested to see it, who will coach us?
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Seriously, that will be so interesting to watch if all the draft guys play with all our second year guys.

Really interested to see it, who will coach us?


Probably Mermuys.
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Love the draft. Wanted Hart in the 2nd last year, but he didn't come out.

Mike, can he come in right away and take the starting SG spot, assuming the team is as it is today?


That's really hard to say. The transition from NCAA to the NBA didn't always have this big of a development gap, even for senior players.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:40 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:46 pm    Post subject:

One thing I was glad to see was that we drafted some shooters, albeit they aren't snipers, they are in improvement over what we currently have in that department.
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