rough way to lose that game on the road for duke. taytum wide open in the corner on their last possession and grayson completely missed him
So that's kind of the insanity on judging a player on a final score. Was Tatum's game worse because Kennard missed at the end? Guy played out of his mind. It was his best game of the year.
rough way to lose that game on the road for duke. taytum wide open in the corner on their last possession and grayson completely missed him
So that's kind of the insanity on judging a player on a final score. Was Tatum's game worse because Kennard missed at the end? Guy played out of his mind. It was his best game of the year.
Was kind of annoying to see them go away from Tatum as the game went on. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though."
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:28 pm Post subject:
LakersForever123 wrote:
Mike@LG: Would you draft Wesley Iwundu with our 27th pick?
Not with other possible prospects like Mikal Bridges, Luke Kennard, Donovan Mitchell, Bruce Brown, etc., available. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
So good, that it makes me forget his 53% at the rim.
I think it's highly dependent on how he attempts to draw fouls at the rim, not a lack of athleticism.
That and his turnovers took away from a really good game tonight. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though."
Fultz is clearly the better prospect than Ball. I don't even like engaging in the discussion.
Then don't but that's not the case. Many respected scouts, coaches, executives etc would disagree. The arrogance Fultz fans have is becoming increasingly annoying though so feel free not to engage.
So good, that it makes me forget his 53% at the rim.
I think it's highly dependent on how he attempts to draw fouls at the rim, not a lack of athleticism.
I don't see him as a very explosive athlete, which is contributing to his difficulties finishing at the rim. Obviously he can work around that with craftiness and touch around the basket as he adjusts to taller and better athletes.
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:36 pm Post subject:
BigGameHames wrote:
AC Green's V-Card wrote:
OPMSm0k3r wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
Idk why you continue to bring up Kobe so I'll ignore that. Wins matter because Fultz talent level hasn't resulted in wins so I'm humble enough to understand we are probably missing something about him. His team is bad but elite prospects usually carry their team to a few big wins. Washington has none. If you wanna play the switch teams game I will say this. Switch Ball and Fultz, Washington is better and UCLA is worse.
Beat me to it. Let's all just hope we keep our pick . Can we agree on that?
Lonzo Ball's game is predicated on space and pace. His best asset is his passing. But who on the Huskies is gonna help space the floor? Fultz is their best three-point shooter. Ball has three teammates shooting 43% or better from 3PT. Fultz has zero. Leaf, Alford, and Holiday would open up some ridiculous lanes for Fultz to drive and kick.
Those guys %s went up when they started playing with Ball. Crisp and Thybull aren't terrible shooters at all.
No. But they are pretty one-dimensional players. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
Remember when Ingram had to be told to jump off one foot because Duke requires their players to jump off two? I wonder if Tatum wouldn't benefit from the same thing with his pterodactyl arms.
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:37 pm Post subject:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
dcarter4kobe wrote:
Tatum is so good.
So good, that it makes me forget his 53% at the rim.
I think it's highly dependent on how he attempts to draw fouls at the rim, not a lack of athleticism.
I don't see him as a very explosive athlete, which is contributing to his difficulties finishing at the rim. Obviously he can work around that with craftiness and touch around the basket as he adjusts to taller and better athletes.
He's only an explosive player in space. Josh Jackson breaks that mold so he's 71% at the rim.
Becoming an explosive player in a crowd is something I think a player can develop, even if I think it's difficult to do. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
Idk why you continue to bring up Kobe so I'll ignore that. Wins matter because Fultz talent level hasn't resulted in wins so I'm humble enough to understand we are probably missing something about him. His team is bad but elite prospects usually carry their team to a few big wins. Washington has none. If you wanna play the switch teams game I will say this. Switch Ball and Fultz, Washington is better and UCLA is worse.
Beat me to it. Let's all just hope we keep our pick . Can we agree on that?
Lonzo Ball's game is predicated on space and pace. His best asset is his passing. But who on the Huskies is gonna help space the floor? Fultz is their best three-point shooter. Ball has three teammates shooting 43% or better from 3PT. Fultz has zero. Leaf, Alford, and Holiday would open up some ridiculous lanes for Fultz to drive and kick.
Those guys %s went up when they started playing with Ball. Crisp and Thybull aren't terrible shooters at all.
Crisp and Thybull improved, too.
Ball
3PT Before - 3PT After
Alford 36.7% - 46.1% -- Up 9.4%
Hamilton 41.9% - 43.4% -- Up 1.5%
Fultz
3PT Before - 3PT After
Crisp 30.2% - 39.2% -- Up 9%
Thybulle 36.6% - 37.7% -- Up 1.1%
TJ Leaf is a freshman (so no data for before/after) and the best shooter on either team. Fultz would kill for an NBA talent like that playing beside him.
I understand. At no point have I said Fultz is a bad player or bad prospect. I said he's top 4 but I wouldn't take him one and you guys act like I'm saying he's gonna be a bust. The Fultz obsession is getting completely out of hand.
Idk why you continue to bring up Kobe so I'll ignore that. Wins matter because Fultz talent level hasn't resulted in wins so I'm humble enough to understand we are probably missing something about him. His team is bad but elite prospects usually carry their team to a few big wins. Washington has none. If you wanna play the switch teams game I will say this. Switch Ball and Fultz, Washington is better and UCLA is worse.
Beat me to it. Let's all just hope we keep our pick . Can we agree on that?
Lonzo Ball's game is predicated on space and pace. His best asset is his passing. But who on the Huskies is gonna help space the floor? Fultz is their best three-point shooter. Ball has three teammates shooting 43% or better from 3PT. Fultz has zero. Leaf, Alford, and Holiday would open up some ridiculous lanes for Fultz to drive and kick.
Those guys %s went up when they started playing with Ball. Crisp and Thybull aren't terrible shooters at all.
Crisp and Thybull improved, too.
Ball
3PT Before - 3PT After
Alford 36.7% - 46.1% -- Up 9.4%
Hamilton 41.9% - 43.4% -- Up 1.5%
Fultz
3PT Before - 3PT After
Crisp 30.2% - 39.2% -- Up 9%
Thybulle 36.6% - 37.7% -- Up 1.1%
TJ Leaf is a freshman (so no data for before/after) and the best shooter on either team. Fultz would kill for an NBA talent like that playing beside him.
I understand. At no point have I said Fultz is a bad player or bad prospect. I said he's top 4 but I wouldn't take him one and you guys act like I'm saying he's gonna be a bust. The Fultz obsession is getting completely out of hand.
I'm not even obsessed with Fultz. I like Ball a ton. Michael Jordan dropped 28/6/6 his rookie year and the Bulls had a losing record. Team wins is a meaningless metric to assess individual talent.
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:44 pm Post subject:
Quote:
. The Fultz obsession is getting completely out of hand.
I don't think it's an obsession. I just don't think it makes sense.
If we try to look for flaws in Lonzo Ball's game, they appear more apparent than Fultz.
Even if you look at the "weaknesses" of Markelle Fultz on DX video, he actually improved at all of those things.
"Streaky shooter" - I think it's been VERY VERY obvious how consistent his shooting has been all season.
"Casual approach" - At least this part I understand, but it hasn't made him overtly TO prone or completely lazy on defense.
"Slashing vs. Elite D" - I think he's done an amazing job as a #1 option of Washington's offense and I could definitely pull up the same argument for Lonzo Ball.
The only time I understand the argument is at least some scouts are willing to say something along the lines of, "I think Lonzo Ball's passing and courtvision are so outlier (or great), that it compensates for perceived weaknesses."
That makes sense. But saying that everyone is "missing some flaw in Markelle Fultz"? I can't buy, because no one can definitely find that one major hole, outside of, Fultz doesn't have UCLA around him.
What makes the whole thing crazy is, I think Lonzo doesn't get as many wins for Washington, but I think Fultz would have a worse record at the NCAA level, but better in the tournament, because he has better/more half court skills. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
So good, that it makes me forget his 53% at the rim.
I think it's highly dependent on how he attempts to draw fouls at the rim, not a lack of athleticism.
I don't see him as a very explosive athlete, which is contributing to his difficulties finishing at the rim. Obviously he can work around that with craftiness and touch around the basket as he adjusts to taller and better athletes.
He's only an explosive player in space. Josh Jackson breaks that mold so he's 71% at the rim.
Becoming an explosive player in a crowd is something I think a player can develop, even if I think it's difficult to do.
Interesting, I buy it. But any examples come to mind?
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:48 pm Post subject:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
dcarter4kobe wrote:
Tatum is so good.
So good, that it makes me forget his 53% at the rim.
I think it's highly dependent on how he attempts to draw fouls at the rim, not a lack of athleticism.
I don't see him as a very explosive athlete, which is contributing to his difficulties finishing at the rim. Obviously he can work around that with craftiness and touch around the basket as he adjusts to taller and better athletes.
He's only an explosive player in space. Josh Jackson breaks that mold so he's 71% at the rim.
Becoming an explosive player in a crowd is something I think a player can develop, even if I think it's difficult to do.
Interesting, I buy it. But any examples come to mind?
Actually, it's very difficult to find certain players that dunk on a drive from a halfcourt set or in Isolation. But, if there's a stat to follow, it's increasing FT rate with also increased 2pt attempts from the field, preferably with a larger percentage of shots 3' or less.
One Laker that really sticks out is Andrew Bynum. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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