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M2K
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Lonzo Ball = Fool's Gold
Nice passer... rest of his game is not a good fit in the NBA as a top 15 pick... let alone top 3.
Lakers need to go in a different direction if their lucky enough to hold onto a top 3 pick.
My concern... that Magic is in over his head and strictly a PR move by Jeannie that will end up further hurting the team.
Hope I am wrong.
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| J.C. Smith wrote: | | I would caution passing judgement on a player based on one game. Andrew Wiggins scored 4 points in getting knocked out to end his college career. He turned out okay. |
I disagree, only because other college teams have employed similar strategies that all led to UCLA losses. Same thing with Arizona, Oregon, and USC. Short string of losses in a limited time.
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| 24ways2die wrote: | | If the Lakers do pass on him, they will never hear the end of it from his dad. |
I'm sure they'll do fine against a Cal State LA basketball legend.  |
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lakid
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| Unless we have the #1 pick in which we would take Fultz, Josh Jackson is who we should be focusing on. |
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marga86
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| gotta go with action jackson baby |
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allNet
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| Anyone catch Markelle Fultz's tweet? Seems like there will be a target on Ball's back, players are not going to respect his game until he proves himself. Dad made it harder on Lonzo. |
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Kinda hoping Lakers end up 3rd after lottery night so hopefully Suns/Celts take Ball and Jackson is left at #3.
I really want Jackson, think he'll be BPA overall. Really don't want a backcourt that can't penetrate the paint at an acceptable level and prob will be subpar defensively. |
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| lakid wrote: | Fox is basically what Lakers' brass were hoping that Russell would be.
| Runway8 wrote: | Lonzo doesn't have much of an offensive game. Dribble, dribble launch is a sign of someone who can't blow by his defender. Even Kentucky's Fox has a more complete half court game, but Fox would be too much like Russell.
I wouldn't pass up Fultz for Lonzo. |
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Fox and Russell are nothing alike though... |
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Every year fans watch one or two tournament games and make determinative declarations about players' abilities. This obviously doesn't apply to Mike (or anyone else here in particular), but some of the assessments are just wrong.
Can't get to the basket in the half court = wrong. When he decides to, he can do so seemingly at will (against man defense) and finish with either hand. Shot is bad? No, shot is ugly, but at 40+ percent from three, effective, and often in critical moments when his team needed a basket. He's not athletic? Incorrect. He doesn't have an incredible first step. But aside from having a remarkable ability to operate in a very fast and controlled manner in the open court, he can also play above the rim. Again, anyone who's watched more than a couple games would've plainly seen this.
I don't disagree with Mike about the lack of shooting on this team and how that potentially impacts Ball initially, but honestly, I don't care at this point, because I'm not trying to build around Randle or any of these others right now: As I posted after the Moz/Deng signings last summer (and will bump for re-assessments after the season), I don't think one of these guys is the best player on a championship team, and I'm not therefore going to make draft decisions based on who fits in with them, because ultimately, some of them won't be here. Rather, I'm looking at who I want at the head of the snake. So, for instance, I really don't care if he's the best fit in the backcourt with Dlo, because if they don't work well together, between the two of them, I'd rather have Lonzo in the backcourt and find someone else at the 2 who fits better then Dlo.
This kid took a 15-17 team and led them to a 31-5 record, and led his team and the nation in assists on an team that had most assists in 20 years. It is so, so rare to find very talented point guards who really truly don't care about stats and make their teammates way better (see Magic, Nash, Kidd), that I think when you're still -- despite the last four years -- essentially starting from scratch, you just don't pass up one of those guys. |
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| Hydro21 wrote: | So after Fultz
Is the conversation now Ball, Jackson , Tatum and Fox for #2? |
Why do people hyperventilate over the NCAA tournament every year? |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | Hydro21 wrote: | So after Fultz
Is the conversation now Ball, Jackson , Tatum and Fox for #2? |
Why do people hyperventilate over the NCAA tournament every year? |
Because that's when they actually start watching.
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The Lebrons
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | Hydro21 wrote: | So after Fultz
Is the conversation now Ball, Jackson , Tatum and Fox for #2? |
Why do people hyperventilate over the NCAA tournament every year? |
I can't blame people, even NBA GMs do the same. Remember Patrick O'Bryant? Lol.
I am Fox guy, though. |
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i watched ball 1st time yesterday and other then couple of sharp passes i wasn't impressed with his yesterday's game.
he took some couple of early shot clock bombs from deep. |
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lakid
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The thing is with the tourney run that Jackson is having he may catapult himself higher. I guess it depends on how the lottery shakes out, Celts are going to go after Hayward and will likely draft a PG in Fultz or Ball, if Suns get #2 do they go with whoever is left between Ball and Fultz or do they possibly go with Jackson?
If we get #2 are we inclined to take Ball as the PR move or do we do the smart thing and take Jackson? If we get #1 what do we do?
| Blackhart217 wrote: | Kinda hoping Lakers end up 3rd after lottery night so hopefully Suns/Celts take Ball and Jackson is left at #3.
I really want Jackson, think he'll be BPA overall. Really don't want a backcourt that can't penetrate the paint at an acceptable level and prob will be subpar defensively. |
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Don Draper
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| Fox over Ball? Come on now. Anybody who has watched Fox all year, which it seems most haven't, knows he's even more one dimensional than Ball supposedly is. If you think his "blow-by speed" and Rondo-esque shot will translate, by all means, take him over Ball. |
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Truly horrific outcome
Lavar Ball is now out of the NCAA tournament and you know that Magic and as a result of the Lakers now have Deandre Fox on top of their big board. |
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lukewaltonsdad
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I remember when TJ McConnell shut down Russell in the tourney game, too. LOL
Either way, I am not a fan of Ball's game. Talented? Absolutely. I think there are some serious limitations to his game.
I really like Jackson, and Fultz, though. |
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| I understand the love for Lonzo Ball here... BUT, if we are being honest, his lack of ability to get by a defender especially in iso situations is a concern. In fact, it may be a reason he takes so many long threes. Unlike Steph Curry who has an elite handle, great quickness and craftiness-- his shooting from long range is a weapon that defenses must orchestrate their defenses around. For Ball, it is at many times born out of necessity. Fox outplayed Ball badly last night. |
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| The Lebrons wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | Hydro21 wrote: | So after Fultz
Is the conversation now Ball, Jackson , Tatum and Fox for #2? |
Why do people hyperventilate over the NCAA tournament every year? |
I can't blame people, even NBA GMs do the same. Remember Patrick O'Bryant? Lol.
I am Fox guy, though. |
Point guards who can't shoot have a hard road to hoe in today's NBA. Lowry is the only one in the last decade or so to become a shooter after struggling behind the arc in college. Unless he can become another John Wall (doesn't look that quick to me) it's Elfrid Payton/Marcus Smart/Mudiay territory for him. |
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allNet
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | Hydro21 wrote: | So after Fultz
Is the conversation now Ball, Jackson , Tatum and Fox for #2? |
Why do people hyperventilate over the NCAA tournament every year? |
If you want a straight answer, it's because there's information to be had when you see two nba prospects match up against each other in a highly competitive environment. |
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anpherknee
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how yall fell about fox's jump shot
it dont look that broke to me guise
but i've only seen him shoot like 12 of em
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| anpherknee wrote: | how yall fell about fox's jump shot
it dont look that broke to me guise
but i've only seen him shoot like 12 of em
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When you can slice up UCLA's Swiss cheese defense there's no reason to. |
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It was terrible the entire season, and it was compounded last night by Fox being able to penetrate even against their 3-2 zone, which had staunched UCLA's bleeding a bit back in February. They had no way of clamping down on Fox's penetration or of getting out to shooters, and Kentucky's roleplayers hit their open looks last night.
Ball was the only defensively engaged above-average athlete in their starting lineup all season, and Steve Alford hasn't been very adept at coaching fundamentals on that end in his time in Westwood, anyway. I would've liked to have seen what a better coach could've done with the Bruins this season, but c'est la vie. |
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| M2K wrote: | Lonzo Ball = Fool's Gold
Nice passer... rest of his game is not a good fit in the NBA as a top 15 pick... let alone top 3.
Lakers need to go in a different direction if their lucky enough to hold onto a top 3 pick.
My concern... that Magic is in over his head and strictly a PR move by Jeannie that will end up further hurting the team.
Hope I am wrong. |
Why is Magic over his head? Jim was over his head, no experience really running anything and no real basketball acumen. Magic has proven himself as a business executive and certainly knows basketball. Yes he sucked as a coach but coaching is a different animal. Most great players were awful as coaches, even Larry Bird acknowledged he basically surrounded himself with coaches and got out quickly. Magic brought in Pelinka who knows the details of salary cap, etc.
So you swap out Jim/Mitch for Magic/Pelinka. I am fairly certain Magic > Jim and Pelinka hopefully will be more aggressive them Mitch was. |
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