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Who you got after Fultz?
Lonzo Ball
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Josh Jackson
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Jayson Tatum
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De'Aaron Fox
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Malik Monk
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Jonathan Isaac
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:05 pm    Post subject:

Mini Mamba wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Portland wouldn't accept.


Why not?



2017 - 18
Mozgov...$15,280,000
Leonard...$9,904,495


2018 - 19
Mozgov....$16,000,000
Leonard....$10,595,506


2019 - 20
Mozgov....$16,720,000
Leonard....$11,286,515



Opinions will vary some on the value of Crabbe with that contract.

* Slightly negative value

* Neutral value

* Slightly positive value


If the middle path is chosen and a neutral value is assigned to Crabbe, Portland would be taking on more salary in the Mozgov - Leonard part of the transaction and also downgrading a first round pick from #19 to #28.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:37 am    Post subject:

Bard207 wrote:
Mini Mamba wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Portland wouldn't accept.


Why not?



2017 - 18
Mozgov...$15,280,000
Leonard...$9,904,495


2018 - 19
Mozgov....$16,000,000
Leonard....$10,595,506


2019 - 20
Mozgov....$16,720,000
Leonard....$11,286,515



Opinions will vary some on the value of Crabbe with that contract.

* Slightly negative value

* Neutral value

* Slightly positive value


If the middle path is chosen and a neutral value is assigned to Crabbe, Portland would be taking on more salary in the Mozgov - Leonard part of the transaction and also downgrading a first round pick from #19 to #28.


I was simply going to answer the poster's "why not?" with, because the trade is a heist for the Lakers, and of course it would be when it's a Laker fan that proposed it.

In Crabbe we'd have a 43% 3point shooter, we'd move up 9 spots in the draft, and the Mosgov-Leonard part of the deal is a wash. In other words we'd do it in a heartbeat because it screws Portland in every aspect, and benefits us in every way
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:37 am    Post subject:

LaVar Ball is 'worst thing to happen to basketball in last 100 years,' Nike Executive ex-coach says

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/lavar-ball-is-worst-thing-to-happen-to-basketball-in-last-100-years-nike-exec-says/
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:54 am    Post subject:

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LaVar Ball is 'worst thing to happen to basketball in last 100 years,' Nike Executive ex-coach says

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/lavar-ball-is-worst-thing-to-happen-to-basketball-in-last-100-years-nike-exec-says/


Somebody's getting annoyed in negotiation meetings.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:18 am    Post subject:

Now is the time to bamboozle them. The other two hasn't been exposed yet. I only see Lonzo as the real deal. I don't see it in the other two. If they all were like Lonzo, then maybe you can convince someone for a billion. LOL!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:23 pm    Post subject:

Mini Mamba wrote:
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Portland wouldn't accept.


Why not?


Because it would be a stupid trade on their side. Taking Mozzer's contract and giving up a higher draft pick? Why on earth would they agree to that trade?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:51 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
LaVar Ball is 'worst thing to happen to basketball in last 100 years,' Nike Executive ex-coach says

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/lavar-ball-is-worst-thing-to-happen-to-basketball-in-last-100-years-nike-exec-says/


No Doubt its John Thompson.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:53 pm    Post subject:

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LaVar Ball is 'worst thing to happen to basketball in last 100 years,' Nike Executive ex-coach says

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/lavar-ball-is-worst-thing-to-happen-to-basketball-in-last-100-years-nike-exec-says/


No Doubt its John Thompson.



Nevermind its George Raveling
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:59 pm    Post subject:

GoldenThroat wrote:
oldschool32 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Practice wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
As the Laker Film Room guys correctly noted, we have too many 4/5s. With the picks I would expect them to stock up on guards as Dlo/Jc are The only two under contract.

We need bigs that can actually shoot and defend.


Here are the bigs under contract.

Moz
Zub
Nance
Randle
Deng
Black

Trob

We have 2 true centers and a bunch of PF sized players. Meanwhile we have only Dlo and Jc under contract as guards.

Top3 pick likely will be a guard and maybe we luck into someone like Kennard with 28.


Honestly, I'm not all that excited with our front court players. There are a couple that I think can grow and become solid players, but I wouldn't mind a change in the front court. Jules, Nance, and possibly Zubac(would hesitate to trade Zu unless someone values him as much as I do) could all be used as trade pieces. An athletic guy who is 6'10" or bigger, can shoot, and has near elite level wingspan would be ideal, but those don't grow on trees. Hell, I'll settle for a Randle that can shoot 33+% from 3.


We need to make a trade or two, even if it's just a minor move where you move one bench big for another team's bench guard. The imbalance on the roster is crazy.


Nance for Mudiay?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:01 pm    Post subject:

pjiddy wrote:
GoldenThroat wrote:
oldschool32 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Practice wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
As the Laker Film Room guys correctly noted, we have too many 4/5s. With the picks I would expect them to stock up on guards as Dlo/Jc are The only two under contract.

We need bigs that can actually shoot and defend.


Here are the bigs under contract.

Moz
Zub
Nance
Randle
Deng
Black

Trob

We have 2 true centers and a bunch of PF sized players. Meanwhile we have only Dlo and Jc under contract as guards.

Top3 pick likely will be a guard and maybe we luck into someone like Kennard with 28.


Honestly, I'm not all that excited with our front court players. There are a couple that I think can grow and become solid players, but I wouldn't mind a change in the front court. Jules, Nance, and possibly Zubac(would hesitate to trade Zu unless someone values him as much as I do) could all be used as trade pieces. An athletic guy who is 6'10" or bigger, can shoot, and has near elite level wingspan would be ideal, but those don't grow on trees. Hell, I'll settle for a Randle that can shoot 33+% from 3.


We need to make a trade or two, even if it's just a minor move where you move one bench big for another team's bench guard. The imbalance on the roster is crazy.


Nance for Mudiay?


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:03 pm    Post subject:

pjiddy wrote:

Nance for Mudiay?


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:09 pm    Post subject:

I think Mudiay is still salvageable. At the very least, he's an interesting backup PG who could pair with Russell down the line if they can fix the holes in his game. Reality is there's a glut of bigs available in this league, while pretty much everyone wants more ball-handling guards. So you gotta bargain hunt if you want one.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:11 pm    Post subject:

pjiddy wrote:
I think Mudiay is still salvageable. At the very least, he's an interesting backup PG who could pair with Russell down the line if they can fix the holes in his game. Reality is there's a glut of bigs available in this league, while pretty much everyone wants more ball-handling guards. So you gotta bargain hunt if you want one.


Even if you think so, not for Nance. And Denver will surely want a handsome figure even though Mudiay's been less than stellar.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:21 pm    Post subject:

Mini Mamba wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Portland wouldn't accept.


Why not?


Talent-wise, it's drastically in Laker favor.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:26 pm    Post subject:

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I think Mudiay is still salvageable. At the very least, he's an interesting backup PG who could pair with Russell down the line if they can fix the holes in his game. Reality is there's a glut of bigs available in this league, while pretty much everyone wants more ball-handling guards. So you gotta bargain hunt if you want one.


Why not go for a guard that fits a team need?

If it's just out of fan bias, I want Archie Goodwin. Turned 22. Playmaking SG.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:45 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
pjiddy wrote:
I think Mudiay is still salvageable. At the very least, he's an interesting backup PG who could pair with Russell down the line if they can fix the holes in his game. Reality is there's a glut of bigs available in this league, while pretty much everyone wants more ball-handling guards. So you gotta bargain hunt if you want one.


Why not go for a guard that fits a team need?

If it's just out of fan bias, I want Archie Goodwin. Turned 22. Playmaking SG.


Isn't he a free agent?

EDIT: No, he signed a (very favorable) two-year deal with the Nets.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:52 pm    Post subject:

pjiddy wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
pjiddy wrote:
I think Mudiay is still salvageable. At the very least, he's an interesting backup PG who could pair with Russell down the line if they can fix the holes in his game. Reality is there's a glut of bigs available in this league, while pretty much everyone wants more ball-handling guards. So you gotta bargain hunt if you want one.


Why not go for a guard that fits a team need?

If it's just out of fan bias, I want Archie Goodwin. Turned 22. Playmaking SG.


Isn't he a free agent?

EDIT: No, he signed a (very favorable) two-year deal with the Nets.


Damn, I just read a hoopshype page that said he was a FA. I figure Caris LeVert took away any chance of Goodwin getting PT.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:06 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
pjiddy wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
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I think Mudiay is still salvageable. At the very least, he's an interesting backup PG who could pair with Russell down the line if they can fix the holes in his game. Reality is there's a glut of bigs available in this league, while pretty much everyone wants more ball-handling guards. So you gotta bargain hunt if you want one.


Why not go for a guard that fits a team need?

If it's just out of fan bias, I want Archie Goodwin. Turned 22. Playmaking SG.


Isn't he a free agent?

EDIT: No, he signed a (very favorable) two-year deal with the Nets.


Damn, I just read a hoopshype page that said he was a FA. I figure Caris LeVert took away any chance of Goodwin getting PT.


Looks like a non-guaranteed 2-year deal, so it's possible they could waive him.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:23 pm    Post subject:

The Nets have been rumored - reported to be pursuing Teodosić.


Teodosić: NBA has to meet “my competitive ambitions” and “financial aspect”

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In his blog on Eurohoops.net, the Euroleague’s official blog, the Serbian star laid out the basis of his decision-making...

“It’s true that I’m seriously thinking about the possibility of the NBA, but nothing has transpired yet, and nothing will until the summer. I’ve said before that, in order for me to go to the USA, a team has to meet both my competitive ambitions – which is the most important thing – and everything that has to do with the financial aspect as well as the aspect of the length of my contract.”

Teodosić did not specify either “competitive ambitions” or the “financial aspects,” but it’s not hard to extrapolate what he means by either.

Teodosić is a winner. A big part of his blog is about CSKA Moscow’s quest for back-to-back wins in the Euroleague and Russian league ... and teaming with Nikola Jokic of Denver in this summer’s European championship. Could the Nets, in the midst of a rebuild, be attractive to him?

Also, he wants to start. He has said that in the past and in a video he posted in his blog, Jokic talks about how he’s certain Teodosić can play in the NBA. Jokic is also quite clear about his teammate’s desires. “He wants to play here but I know he doesn't wants to come here and be on the bench.”

As for the money, Teodosić isn’t coming here on the kind of deal another European playmaker, Sergio Rodriguez, got from Philadelphia last summer. Rodriguez, who was also pursued by the Nets, got a one-year, $8 million contract. Think three or four years, which would mean a commitment until Teodosić is 33 or 34.

The Nets have been identified by multiple sources, including news outlets in Serbia, as being one of two teams with high interest. The other is Denver. Both have cap space galore and the Nuggets of course have Jokic. The Nets connection reportedly is Trajan Langdon, who played eight years for CSKA. Mikhail Prokhorov of course owned the team for a decade, but before Teodosić joined them.

Teodosić says he won’t even think about a decision until after he’s done with the Euroleague.

“Then, as a free agent, I’m going to think and decide about my future, after first thoroughly examining all the prospects that I have. “



Langdon is the assistant GM for the Nets.

The assistant GM for Denver is Arturas Karnisovas and he also has strong connections in Europe.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:24 pm    Post subject:

Good Game Theory podcast with Sam Vecenie and Cole Zwicker...go over some 2018 guys then spend some time on Tatum, Jackson, Ball and Monk.

https://soundcloud.com/sam-vecenie/hoop-summit-and-nba-draft
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:25 pm    Post subject:

So is Josh Jackson like Justise Winslow but with better offense?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:14 pm    Post subject:

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Lonzo also has the 2nd highest PPP in half-court catch and shoot situations (min 100 attempts) for lead guards in the last decade (Dame #1)


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:18 pm    Post subject:

Re: Tatum

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The problem, of course, is that playing through the mid-range isn’t the most efficient way to score and Tatum’s numbers make it easy to understand why. He made just 37.7 percent of his mid-range jumpers as a freshman, according to Synergy Sports. Issues arise when Tatum over-dribbles, which gives defenders more time to set up and makes the shots more difficult:


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The 19-year old scored just 0.753 points per possession (PPP) (47th percentile) on jump shots off the dribble in the halfcourt, per Synergy Sports, making just 32.5 percent of those attempts.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:19 pm    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
So is Josh Jackson like Justise Winslow but with better offense?


Better at def
Better at offense

And most importantly better at making teammates better. He had me with his passing. Read about this guy great def and after watching him play, I was most impressed with his passing!

If he had a shot, he would be a superstar. I'm a homer for two way players. If we had the #1 draft pick, I'd choose fultz, and hate life for the next 10 years.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:21 pm    Post subject:

Anyone else feel like Tatum is the next Rudy gay? I rather take a flyer on monk, markkaren or isacc with the 3rd pick if fultz and JJ is gone
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