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Who you got after Fultz?
Lonzo Ball
75%
 75%  [ 315 ]
Josh Jackson
15%
 15%  [ 64 ]
Jayson Tatum
1%
 1%  [ 8 ]
De'Aaron Fox
4%
 4%  [ 20 ]
Malik Monk
1%
 1%  [ 5 ]
Jonathan Isaac
0%
 0%  [ 4 ]
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:49 pm    Post subject:

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Good Game Theory podcast with Sam Vecenie and Cole Zwicker...go over some 2018 guys then spend some time on Tatum, Jackson, Ball and Monk.

https://soundcloud.com/sam-vecenie/hoop-summit-and-nba-draft


The way Vecenie raves about Tatum's work ethic is the primary reason why I have him over Josh Jackson.


he works with Clarkson/Wiggins trainer


Link? Keenly interested.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:53 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
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Good Game Theory podcast with Sam Vecenie and Cole Zwicker...go over some 2018 guys then spend some time on Tatum, Jackson, Ball and Monk.

https://soundcloud.com/sam-vecenie/hoop-summit-and-nba-draft


The way Vecenie raves about Tatum's work ethic is the primary reason why I have him over Josh Jackson.


he works with Clarkson/Wiggins trainer


Link? Keenly interested.


you should follow Drew on twitta
http://stlcurator.com/jayson-tatum-justin-tatum-st-louis-high-school-basketball/
Every weekday morning, he wakes up at 5:45 am and hits the gym before school with his trainer, Drew Hanlen, at 6:30 am. Hanlen also trains many NBA players, including David Lee and Bradley Beal.

https://www.fanragsports.com/nba/harper-jayson-tatum-claim-best-non-point-guard-2017-draft-class/
However, after Duke’s loss to North Carolina State in January, Tatum tweaked his jumper with the help of Drew Hanlen.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:09 pm    Post subject:

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Lonzo also has the 2nd highest PPP in half-court catch and shoot situations (min 100 attempts) for lead guards in the last decade (Dame #1)
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Such a SG archetype.


This was probably the biggest thing that stood out to me while watching him. He's a SG in the half court, I'm convinced of it.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:11 pm    Post subject:

don't spend too much time guys, we going to trade this pick unless its #1
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:25 pm    Post subject:

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don't spend too much time guys, we going to trade this pick unless its #1


I disagree.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:34 pm    Post subject:

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don't spend too much time guys, we going to trade this pick unless its #1


I disagree.




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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:38 pm    Post subject:

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don't spend too much time guys, we going to trade this pick unless its #1


I disagree.


in terms of value it's the perfect pick to trade - teams are highhh on this years class - but consider that these guys floor's aren't necessarily high aside from Fultz. That's perfect draft trade situation. Compared to last year where the 3rd pick had no value.
My only reservation is that I don't think there's a perfect trade target out there - especially considering our youth's timeline.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:52 pm    Post subject:

Just want just to draft or sign players that will contribute to a defensive identity, without hurting our offense. I can't think of a championship team in the last 20-30 years that won without some kind of defensive scheme.

I really admire the Detroit team that whooped our ass. They had decent to good offensive players, but the starters were all good to great defensive players.

If we can draft Jackson and sign Noel, we'll be set! Hope we get #2, draft Jackson and throw max at Noel.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:08 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Cole Zwicker‏Verified account @colezwicker 24h24 hours ago
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Lonzo also has the 2nd highest PPP in half-court catch and shoot situations (min 100 attempts) for lead guards in the last decade (Dame #1)
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Such a SG archetype.


Yeah. The more I finally watched him this is what I thought too. And he's not a ball pounding take it to the rack guard either. If folks were upset with dlo they may find the Ball experiment at "PG" a bit familiar.
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Mike@LG wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
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Lonzo also has the 2nd highest PPP in half-court catch and shoot situations (min 100 attempts) for lead guards in the last decade (Dame #1)
3 replies 5 retweets 7 likes


Such a SG archetype.


Yeah. The more I finally watched him this is what I thought too. And he's not a ball pounding take it to the rack guard either. If folks were upset with dlo they may find the Ball experiment at "PG" a bit familiar.


I'm very confident Ball would displace DLO as the most polarizing Laker, for better or worse.
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pjiddy wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Cole Zwicker‏Verified account @colezwicker 24h24 hours ago
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Lonzo also has the 2nd highest PPP in half-court catch and shoot situations (min 100 attempts) for lead guards in the last decade (Dame #1)
3 replies 5 retweets 7 likes


Such a SG archetype.


Yeah. The more I finally watched him this is what I thought too. And he's not a ball pounding take it to the rack guard either. If folks were upset with dlo they may find the Ball experiment at "PG" a bit familiar.


I'm very confident Ball would displace DLO as the most polarizing Laker, for better or worse.


Shoots too many 3s

Lack of defense.

Doesn't break ankles and take it to the hole.

Assist/turnover ratio. Blah blah.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:31 pm    Post subject:

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Mike@LG wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Cole Zwicker‏Verified account @colezwicker 24h24 hours ago
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Lonzo also has the 2nd highest PPP in half-court catch and shoot situations (min 100 attempts) for lead guards in the last decade (Dame #1)
3 replies 5 retweets 7 likes


Such a SG archetype.


This was probably the biggest thing that stood out to me while watching him. He's a SG in the half court, I'm convinced of it.


I agree and that is why I'm not so high on Ball as I was early. I like Dlo as a player, but I don't like him as our primary distributor and I don't think Ball is the man in half court either. Dlo is more skilled creating his own shot while Ball excels in transition. Both are good spot up shooters, kinda paying SG.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:34 pm    Post subject:

Just watched Monk's DX strengths video.. well now I'm really considering him. shoot.

Things that got brought to my attention: that damn burst. first step. If his handle improves a bit, he'll legit be a problem on offense - that burst makes his athleticism more functional than Lavine.
Also, he's quick on D when he gives effort.

Hard for me to imagine a scenario where he doesn't either - develop into a realllly good offensive player --- Or a coach gets him to play good defense. (has the same measurables as Avery Bradley)
I'm leaning towards him likely being a very good player, one way or another.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:39 pm    Post subject:

Also didn't know his handle was quite that decent. Decent amount of plays where he kept it alive. Good chance of it improving

Also, DX listed his wingspan as 6'6 in the videos

edit: now I look at Avery Bradley's frame and it was lightyears ahead of Monk's. And he's so lazy naturally defensively.

I wish he was better, taller,bigger.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:46 pm    Post subject:

KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Chase.button07 wrote:
don't spend too much time guys, we going to trade this pick unless its #1


I disagree.


in terms of value it's the perfect pick to trade - teams are highhh on this years class - but consider that these guys floor's aren't necessarily high aside from Fultz. That's perfect draft trade situation. Compared to last year where the 3rd pick had no value.
My only reservation is that I don't think there's a perfect trade target out there - especially considering our youth's timeline.


They've been high on every draft class since the 2014 one.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:53 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Chase.button07 wrote:
don't spend too much time guys, we going to trade this pick unless its #1


I disagree.


in terms of value it's the perfect pick to trade - teams are highhh on this years class - but consider that these guys floor's aren't necessarily high aside from Fultz. That's perfect draft trade situation. Compared to last year where the 3rd pick had no value.
My only reservation is that I don't think there's a perfect trade target out there - especially considering our youth's timeline.


They've been high on every draft class since the 2014 one.


Except last year's.. 2014 was a miss, but yea people were high on it - not sure if GMs were high on it at the time of the draft. Last year GMs weren't giving crap up for #3
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:37 am    Post subject:

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Mike@LG wrote:
adkindo wrote:
Good Game Theory podcast with Sam Vecenie and Cole Zwicker...go over some 2018 guys then spend some time on Tatum, Jackson, Ball and Monk.

https://soundcloud.com/sam-vecenie/hoop-summit-and-nba-draft


The way Vecenie raves about Tatum's work ethic is the primary reason why I have him over Josh Jackson.


he works with Clarkson/Wiggins trainer


think Beal, Lavine and Oubre are clients also....think Beal was his first big client...both from St. Louis
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:45 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
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Good Game Theory podcast with Sam Vecenie and Cole Zwicker...go over some 2018 guys then spend some time on Tatum, Jackson, Ball and Monk.

https://soundcloud.com/sam-vecenie/hoop-summit-and-nba-draft


The way Vecenie raves about Tatum's work ethic is the primary reason why I have him over Josh Jackson.


they said something else which was more subtle....that Tatum has been raised with pedigree, surrounded by trainers and experts from a young age.....while Jackson has not growing up in Detroit. There is good and bad about both, but this is why I do not get all torn up over the kicked car. Jackson had a million chances to slip...grab a bandana and gun while taking a different path....but he never did. So yeah, he was in a new mostly fictional environment known as a college campus, and lost track of his boundaries.....but claiming the kid makes poor life decisions lacks perspective.
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yinoma2001 wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Cole Zwicker‏Verified account @colezwicker 24h24 hours ago
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Lonzo also has the 2nd highest PPP in half-court catch and shoot situations (min 100 attempts) for lead guards in the last decade (Dame #1)
3 replies 5 retweets 7 likes


Such a SG archetype.


Yeah. The more I finally watched him this is what I thought too. And he's not a ball pounding take it to the rack guard either. If folks were upset with dlo they may find the Ball experiment at "PG" a bit familiar.


I'm very confident Ball would displace DLO as the most polarizing Laker, for better or worse.


I think it's more likely to be Jackson, if we draft him over Ball.
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fiendishoc wrote:
pjiddy wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Cole Zwicker‏Verified account @colezwicker 24h24 hours ago
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Lonzo also has the 2nd highest PPP in half-court catch and shoot situations (min 100 attempts) for lead guards in the last decade (Dame #1)
3 replies 5 retweets 7 likes


Such a SG archetype.


Yeah. The more I finally watched him this is what I thought too. And he's not a ball pounding take it to the rack guard either. If folks were upset with dlo they may find the Ball experiment at "PG" a bit familiar.


I'm very confident Ball would displace DLO as the most polarizing Laker, for better or worse.


I think it's more likely to be Jackson, if we draft him over Ball.


not sure why you think that....Jackson seems like the least polarizing player
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:51 am    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
fiendishoc wrote:
pjiddy wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Cole Zwicker‏Verified account @colezwicker 24h24 hours ago
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Lonzo also has the 2nd highest PPP in half-court catch and shoot situations (min 100 attempts) for lead guards in the last decade (Dame #1)
3 replies 5 retweets 7 likes


Such a SG archetype.


Yeah. The more I finally watched him this is what I thought too. And he's not a ball pounding take it to the rack guard either. If folks were upset with dlo they may find the Ball experiment at "PG" a bit familiar.


I'm very confident Ball would displace DLO as the most polarizing Laker, for better or worse.


I think it's more likely to be Jackson, if we draft him over Ball.


not sure why you think that....Jackson seems like the least polarizing player


Okafor effect among casuals. "Transformational player" who gets all the hype but isn't consensus #1, while Jackson's name and media ranking isn't as high. Not that I think Ball will be a bad pick.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:12 am    Post subject:

KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Chase.button07 wrote:
don't spend too much time guys, we going to trade this pick unless its #1


I disagree.


in terms of value it's the perfect pick to trade - teams are highhh on this years class - but consider that these guys floor's aren't necessarily high aside from Fultz. That's perfect draft trade situation. Compared to last year where the 3rd pick had no value.
My only reservation is that I don't think there's a perfect trade target out there - especially considering our youth's timeline.


More like, I think other teams (Boston) have more assets to trade and may give up more lucrative offers.

This is also why I disagree with Magic's idea of "star hunting."
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yinoma2001 wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Cole Zwicker‏Verified account @colezwicker 24h24 hours ago
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Lonzo also has the 2nd highest PPP in half-court catch and shoot situations (min 100 attempts) for lead guards in the last decade (Dame #1)
3 replies 5 retweets 7 likes


Such a SG archetype.


Yeah. The more I finally watched him this is what I thought too. And he's not a ball pounding take it to the rack guard either. If folks were upset with dlo they may find the Ball experiment at "PG" a bit familiar.

not sure if this post is serious...
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 8:15 am    Post subject:

Tatum training with Drew makes me more worried about him becoming another Clarkson, he already showed some of the tunnel vision mentality at Duke, I don't think Drew is gonna make that any better.

One of the main things that has me leaning towards Jackson over Tatum is Jackson's willingness to and ability to pass.
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Tatum training with Drew makes me more worried about him becoming another Clarkson, he already showed some of the tunnel vision mentality at Duke, I don't think Drew is gonna make that any better.

One of the main things that has me leaning towards Jackson over Tatum is Jackson's willingness to and ability to pass.

i think jackson will be best player in this draft. He has the physical tools/willing passer/plays D and jumper easiest thing to fix. Imagine jackson and Ingram wrecking havoc on D
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